Going down Joyces’s list from newest to oldest:
I looked at TJ in my previous Blog. I know who cotton must be.
Joyce and Sarah
At first, I thought that this connection could not be right:
This is what I have on Sarah Pilling now in my Ancestry Tree:
I have that she had two children as a single mother. Then I thought: what if she happened to marry someone with the last name of Greenwood. This would seem ironic perhaps as she already had a son with the first name of Greenwood. When I searched for a Sarah PIlling marrying a Greenwood in the Colne Parish, I got one result:
What if Sarah has two children out of wedlock and then marries? Next, I searched for children of John Greenwood in Colne:
The records show a couple of John and Sarah Greenwood from Aldersend having two children baptized. My thought was that if Sarah was born in 1745, then she would not likely have children after 1785 and that is when Paul is born. I further assume that a 20 year break in children indicates a separate family of John and Sarah Greenwood and that Paul was Sarah’s last child.
If the ThruLines are accurate, that would mean that Greenwood Hartley would have a second cousin named Hartley Greenwood!
Another reason I think that the ThruLine could be correct is that I have my ancestor Greenwood Pilling dying at Aldersend in 1804. Note that this Sarah’s two Greenwood sons were born at Aldersend.
This is part of a map from 1818. I believe that OlddrestEnd is the same as Aldersend. A newer map shows Alder Hurst in this area:
To me, the name of Sarah Pilling, the location of Aldersend and the DNA match is more than coincidental.
The Pilling Genealogy
To do this correctly, I need to add the recent Sarah match to my tree as a floating tree to see if it correctly heads back to Aldersend. I will assume that Sarah knew who her grandparents were.
It appears that Sarah’s grandfather was from Wath upon Deane:
Here is the Greenwood family in 1921. Interestingly, many worked for F Hartley & Co.
Here is Shipley in Bradford:
The 1881 Census shows a problem:
John Greenwood’s father, also a John is working for an out of business beer house if I am reading it correctly.
Unfortunately, this line of genealogy is not matching up with the Ancestry ThruLines. So, the genealogy is dissapointing, but the theory that Sarah Pilling married a Greenwood still interests me.
Joyce and Izzy
This relationship seems questionable. However, what if Jane Shaw married a Hartley before a Wilkinson?
Jane marries Moses Wilkinson in 1785, so that cannot be right.
Unfortunately, I cannot make sense from the ThruLine. I took off the parents of Robert Hartley in my Ancestry Tree hoping that Ancestry would find likely parents for Robert, but having Jane Shaw as a mother does not make sense to me.
Joyce and Tara
I have my tree built out to tara’s likely grandmother: Charlotte Robbins, so this should be easy. Due to a large Snell DNA chart, it would make sense to have one for just the descendants of Otis Snell:
These Snell relatives seem closer, perhaps because many of them stayed in the same area as where I grew up.
Joyce and Cheryl
I’ll look at these two and then wrap up this Blog.
I have a huge Hathaway DNA Tree, but so far I do not have any Philip son of Isaac Hathaway:
I’ll start a floating tree for Cheryl and then try to connect it to my tree if it works out. Cheryl’s tree goes this far:
ThruLines is leading to Daisy Crampton. In 1940, the family lived in Boston:
Beatrice was from Massachusetts. Martin was a car salesman.
Beatrice was buried in Marion, MA, where I live:
Here is Beatrice in 1910:
Father Albert was an ice man, but I am interested in mother Desire.
The marriage record for Desire Crampton raises some question as to Desire’s parents:
The father’s name is not given and the mother’s name is given as Betsey Nye.
Further, here is the 1880 Census:
Here, George and Julia Crampton are living with Philip Hathaway, but I do not see Desire living with them. However, Julia’s mother was Desire:
Further I do not see a Desire born in Mattapoisett in 1878:
Summary and Conclusions
- It has been interesting going through some of Joyce’s ThruLines
- I added one person to my Snell Tree
- Two other avenues were interesting but somewhat of a dead end.