Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 6: Chromosome 5

I’ll jump into Chromosome 5. Using the Fox Spreadsheet, I’ll make some potential crossover lines, assign them to people and put the crossover positions into a spreadsheet. As I start to do this, I see an issue already. It looks like I have a crossover near the very beginning of the Chromosome. I can find the position of the crossover by comparing myself with my sister Sharon at a low resolution:

My crossover with Sharon is at position 1.2M:

Here is my first try at assigning crossovers:

I had a bit of trouble figuring out the two crossovers in red:

In my spreadsheet, I called the trouble crossovers F/S and D/H.

Time to Look at Cousin Matches

This is one of my favorite parts of the process. I’ll start with two Hartley cousins. These will show some paternal crossovers:

Actually, they show the same crossover twice for Sharon at either 35.1 or 34.7. This solves the mystery of the first unknown crossover. It belongs to Sharon. I’ll show that on my spreadsheet:

I could tell that that crossover was Sharon’s first crossover as the one in question was at position 35M. Sharon’s next crossover that I had identified was at 39.5M.

Next, I’ll add all the cousin matches to the Chromosome Map:

Adding Maternal Matches

Next I’ll add maternal matches to see how I compare with the Segment Map. Cousin Carolyn on the Lentz side has some good matches:

I can see a maternal crossover for me (Joel) and one for Heidi. Here is a conservative rendition of Carolyn’s Lentz matches:


Catherine’s Cousin Matches and Two Inferred Crossovers

Here is how Joel, Sharon and Lori match Catherine on our Rathfelder side. Lori has a match to the left of where Joel and Sharon match Catherine. That implies crossovers for Joel and Sharon. Because there is no overlap between the match and the crossovers, I can’t exactly see the crossovers. However, I do know that both crossovers for Sharon and Joel are on the maternal side which is a big help.

Lori would need two crossovers to go from Rathfelder to Lentz and back to Ratchfelder and I only show one. I’ll assume that the one crossover for Lori on the right hand side of the Chromosome is right for Lori and say that belongs to her paternal side.

Check Your Work

This must be a saying I learned from High School. I have this:

Gedmatch has this:

That is a problem. I’ll add a Frazer match for Jim and then take another look:

The places I circled are D &S and D & L comparisons. The common denominator is me, Joel (D). I’ll fix that by just erasing my segments on the right side of the Chromosome.

Next, I work from the middle of the Chromosome where the DNA agrees with Gedmatch and work to the right:

This is the section to the right of the crossover that I haven’t put a name to yet. I didn’t have some information for Heidi also, so I didn’t fill her in. This looks to check with the segment map:

Next, I’ll fill in Heidi and Joel using the Gemdatch comparisons.

This points out the problem. I need another crossover near Lori’s last crossover. This crossover can be seen here:

The crossover is at the third line – currently for Lori. As I am D, this is clearly a Joel (D) crossover as there is a D in these three comparisons. In order to find the position of my crossover, I have to look at a full resolution image at Gedmatch. I’ll pick my match with Sharon and look around Lori’s crossover which is at 167.5M.

The left side of the bar is at 160M. Each ^ is one M. I’ll say the FIR ends at 167.3 which is right before Lori’s crossover at 167.5. Here is my list of crossovers:

The comparison for the right side should work as I used Gedmatch to produce the map:

Problem solved – for the right side of the Chromosome.

I’ll use the same principle for the left hand side. The unnamed crossover is based on the comparison between Joel and Heidi. I’ll fill in the other four siblings and then fill in Joel and Heidi based on the other four and see what happens.

Here, Heidi does not need a crossover, but I need a maternal one to go from purple to green. Here is my pre-fact checked answer:

The Moment of Truth

This is like comparing your test results to the answer sheet on the right:

Summary and Conclusions

  • I find it helps to work from the known to the unknown. To fix discrepancies, I identify where and who the discrepancy belongs to. I erase those results. I fill in other siblings around the discrepancy. This usually corrects the problem.
  • My brother Jim filled in a lot of missing Frazer DNA. This could be important for Frazer matching.
  • This is the first Chromosome with some missing grandparent DNA. There is a small segment of Rathfelder DNA missing between crossovers H and L or between 55.4 and 61.5M. Fortunately, my mother has been DNA tested, so it isn’t really missing. It was just not passed down to any of her six children.
  • The run of full non-recombinied grandparents continues. This time Jon has a full Hartley paternal Chromosome. Jim has a full Frazer paternal Chromosome. I have heard that males have fewer crossovers than females. This seems to confirm that.
  • My crossover position spreadsheet still comes in handy – especially for the crossovers that are close to each other.
  • I used the Gedmatch full resolution chromosome browser to find one close crossover and one crossover very near the beginning of the Chromosome.

Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 5: Chromosome 4

I’m working on Visually Phasing myself and my five siblings. In my previous Blog, I took Chromosome 20 out of order. Now I am back on track.

Setting the Boundaries for Chromosome 4

First I look for crossovers and try to assign a person to the crossover.

I do the best I can, but will likely need some adjustments as I go along. For this Chromosome, I made a chart to keep track of the crossovers:

Here I had problems at positions 21.4 and 40.

Both these problem areas were in the comparison between Jim (V) and Lori. It didn’t seem like the ends of their first two matches lined up with changes in the other sibling comparisons. Undaunted, I shall continue. If I do everything else right, this will sort itself out.

Adding Cousin Matches

As I look down the cousin matches that I have in the Fox Spreadsheet, I see that I only have Hartley matches on the paternal side. I don’t see any maternal side matches. I can speed things up by looking at three Hartley cousin matches at once:

I have circled crossovers for (left to right) Joel, Jim, Heidi, Jim and Lori. The first crossover for Jim erases a question mark I had. I can see Jim’s crossover now zig zagging accross the ? Line:

Jim’s crossover as shown by match with Hartley cousin Maury is interesting:

This shows that I need another crossover for Jim (V) or my Joel (D) crossover is wrong. Jim’s crossover is at 114.3M. I had my Joel crossover at 114.6M. I’ll say that they are separate crossovers. That means I solved a problem I knew I had and solved one I didn’t know I had. That leaves one other known problem.

Adding Paternal DNA to Chromosome 4

Based on the three Hartley cousin matches above, I get this:

I would put in Frazer to either side of the Hartley crossovers and above and below the orange segments.

In Need of Maternal Cousin Matches

Seven out of seventeen of the cousin matches that I brought into the Fox spreadsheet are maternal. Time to search for more. I searched around on my mom’s one to many list at Gedmatch and found one match with Lentz cousin Joshua:

Chances are my mom sent down some of this Lentz DNA to at least one of her six children:

My mom’s segment only made it down to Heidi.

Add Joshua to the Fox Spreadsheet

Joshua is helpful, so I’ll add him to the Fox Spreadsheet. I went to the first tab and typed in his information at the bottom of the CousinTable:

Note that there is no box to the left of Joshua which means that he has not been incorporated into the Fox Spreadsheet yet. Under the Action drop-down menu, there is a place for Add which I assume is appropriate. The leads me to type in my Gedmatch password. This opens Internet Explorer and compares Joshua to me and my six siblings automatically. Joshua may be a help for other chromosomes, but he is critical for Chromosome 4.

I had missed a Jim (V) crossover near the beginning of this Joshua match, so I added that in. Then I added Joshua’s Lentz shared DNA on Heidi’s maternal Chromosome 4 segment. Next, I filled in some Rathfelder DNA:

  • Jim did not have his first crossover above on the paternal side, so it must be on the maternal side
  • Jim’s second crossover was on the paternal side so the maternal purple Rathfelder will carry through there.
  • I didn’t carry the Rathfelder to the right on my maternal chromosome as I have a crossover there.

I’ll make other similar assumptions:

Thanks to one little match between Joshua and Heidi, I have the middle of Chromosome 4 mapped. I stopped extending to the left as I have a question mark there.

Checking the Segment Map

Before I go on, I’d like to know if this part is right:

Here I have the images reversed. The left side represents the mapping I did. I want it to match the right side. The Gedmatch comparisons are on the right. The two sides look to match.

Chromosome 4 Right Side

I’ll continue on to the right, as I have no question mark on that side:

Jim, Heidi and Lori had no crossovers to the right, so I continued their segments to the right unchanged. Sharon and Heidi have a FIR. That means I can copy Heidi’s DNA to Sharon’s. That puts Sharon’s crossover on the paternal side. I have three crossovers.

I finished Sharon’s right hand side. She had another crossover before the end. After that she had an FIR with Lori which put Sharon’s last crossover on her maternal side.

I have FIRs with Heidi and Sharon in my first unmapped segment. That puts my first crossover on my maternal side:

I am opposite of Heidi on the right:

For the last segment, I match my brother Jim (V):

So close:

At this point, I would like to work the left side back to the question mark. I will also stay away from Lori and Jim as that is where the issue of the question mark was:

Progress Check

This tells me I am on the right track:

I’ll fill in from the left to right:

This is interesting as the top row shows that Jim needs another crossover. It also appears that there will be a Jim maternal crossover where the question mark is. Lori already has a crossover to get her from Lentz to Rathfelder.

Adding JIm’s First Crossover

Jim’s first crossover is at 6.4M which is right after Sharon’s at 6M:

This gets us to a small segment for Lori at the beginning. However, I note that Heidi and Lori don’t match in the Gedmatch comparison. That puts Lori’s first crossover on her paternal side. I’m hoping this fully filled out Chromosome 20 will be the right answer:

The Final Fact-Checker

It’s difficult to see every tiny comparison at once, but this looks overall OK.

Summary and Conclusions

  • The maternal part of this map would not have been possible without one match between Heidi and Joshua. He is my 2nd cousin twice removed. I would have had to have put in just maternal grandparents one and two.
  • So far every chromosome has had one sibling  who has inherited a a full the length of the chromosome from one grandparent. These are cases where recombination does not take place. On this Chromosome, Jon has all Frazer on his paternal side. He appears to have the record for non-recombined Frazer DNA.
  • I tried to work the areas that I was more sure of first and then the unsure areas solved themselves with the good areas that were confirmed by the Segment Map from the Fox Spreadsheet.
  • I used a spreadsheet of crossover positions for each sibling to keep these straight and in the correct order.







Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 5 – Taking Chromosome 20 Out of Order

I’m taking Chromosome 20 out of order. This one has been a problem Chromosome in the past in that I have had so many matches. And they have all seemed to triangulate. Blaine Bettinger had a recent poll on Facebook on how many new matches people had at Gedmatch. I had 41, but my largest new match was on Chromosome 20. My previous free-hand mapping showed this:

However, my match spreadsheet seemed indicate I had Hartley DNA at the start of my Chromosome where the new match was:

Putting the Fox Spreadsheet to Work

I start with a blank slate on the Chromosome 20 tab and quickly go to the ‘all cousins’ option at the bottom left. I like this option as I can go from the known to the unknown. I’ll start with the first Hartley cousin on my list – Joyce. This view will immediately point out crossovers for five siblings:

From this, it already appears that I either have no Hartley DNA at the beginning of the Chromosome or very little. Certainly not between 2 and 10M where Jon has Hartley DNA. I have circled crossovers for all siblings except for Lori. Based on my old mapping, Lori had all Frazer DNA on her paternal side of Chromosome 20.

Setting the Crossover Lines

I forgot to do this first. I made some lines, though I may have missed a few and they didn’t all line up perfectly:

Above, I put in orange Hartley above for Joyce’s Hartley matches in blue on the lower half of the image. Then on the other side of the Hartley crossovers, I put in Frazer as that is the only choice on the paternal side. Above and below where there was no Hartley match, I also put in Frazer. I’ve mapped quite a bit of the paternal side already. However, some quality control will be needed.

Maternal Lentz Cousin Carolyn Mapped

Carolyn’s match ends at 56.2M. Jon’s crossover is at about the same place, so I shouldn’t go past that crossover. I’ll add in Rathfelder above and below where there are no Lentz matches:

Next, I’ll carry some of these matches to the left and right based on the crossovers that I have:

Here I have a problem already. Lori is on the bottom row above. She shows a crossover, but no changes in her maternal or paternal side DNA.

Quality Check with the Segment Map

This shows I am off:

I went back and erased the extra maternal DNA I mapped. Then I focused on the sections from V to F:

Obviously the comparisons with Lori (L) in them were wrong. Next, I compared Lori with Joyce and Carolyn at Gedmatch and got this match with Carolyn:

This second match is right at Lori’s crossover: 53.7M. I take that to be more than a coincidence:

This solves the problem at Lori’s crossover.

Next, I’ll extend all siblings over to the right except for Jim and Jon – as they have crossovers to the right:

A glance at the segment map compared to the Gedmatch comparisons seems to show I am on the right track. Then I filled in JIm and Jon based on the Gedmatch comparisons:

Here is the check. It shows that the right side of Chromosome 20 was mapped correctly.

Finishing the Left Hand Side of Chromosome 20

The above represents the right hand side of Chromsome 20 for the six siblings. Next, I can either go with the Gedmatch comparisons or look at more cousin matches. I’ll try cousin matches. Judith is another Lentz relative:

The blue lines don’t line up well, so it is best to look at the match numbers. Judith matches Sharon up to position 6.6M. She matches the others up to 8.4M. That means Sharon has a crossover from Lentz to Rathfelder at 6.6M.

That brings up a potential problem as I had it that Sharon had another crossover between purple and purple. However, as I look at the Gedmatch comparisons again, I see that the Sharon crossover should be a Lori (L) crossover. I’ll change this and try filling in the rest:

I got this far, but didn’t finish filling in Jim (V). He has three crossovers in the blank area and I only have need for two. If all the other segments are right, I can fill in Jim’s missing segments using the Gedmatch comparisons. Now I have it down to here:

[Note: In review, I see that here I should have just carried the Lentz through the first V crossover to the second V crossover. That would have saved time and made the corrections below unneccessary.]

That corresponds with these comparisons:

V&S is FIR, that would put Rathfelder in the narrow segment for Jim. That would mean that Jim (V) has no crossover after L. That gives me this:

Just looking at this, I see a mistake on Lori’s maternal bottom Chromosome 20. She goes from Lentz (green) to purple Rathfelder on Jim’s crossover, so I need to fix that. Next, I’ll do a final quality check:

This shows I still have Jim’s outlined segments wrong. That’s all right, because Jim is the last DNA tested sibling. I want to get his right. By Gedmatch, V-L should be all HIR. I have four no matches and one FIR. I see that there is a problem on the left side of the boxed area. I have green to red and red to green with no transition. There has to be a small HIR between a red no match and a green FIR. The other issue is here:

I show Jim having a double transition with only one transition or crossover line. I know from Jim’s match with Joyce that his crossover should be on the paternal top side. That means that there should not be a maternal change at V above. It also means that I should not have taken out the other Jim (V) crossover.

The Final Answer for Chromosome 20?

These two images below should now agree:

Summary and Conclusions

  • I was able to map Chromosome 20 using the Fox Spreadsheet after a few corrections.
  • It is easy to make mistakes with all the crossovers and segments.
  • Each of the four grandparents are fully covered between the six siblings.
  • I (Joel) have a full maternal Chromosome 20 of Lentz and no Rathfelder on Chromosome 20.
  • The comparisons don’t always line up visually. You have to look at the actual position numbers.
  • I was able to confirm earlier mapping I had done.
  • Using the Steven Fox Segment Map helps to correct any mistakes that I may have made.








Cousin Frank on the James Frazer Line and His DNA

Joanna is great at finding Frazer’s and getting them to upload their DNA to Gedmatch. That is where I do my analysis, to see how they compare to other Frazer’s in the Frazer DNA Project. Here is an old map of the general area where the Frazer’s came from in Ireland:

The early Frazer’s settled in the lands between Lough Arrow and Lough Key around the early 1700’s.

Frank’s Genealogy

Frank’s DNA will not make a lot of sense outside his genealogy. Here is Frank’s Ancestry Tree:

There are two sides to the Frazer DNA Project. There is the Archibald and the James Branches. Frank is from the James Branch.

This tree represents the James Line descendantgs in red who have had their DNA tested and uploaded to Gedmatch. There are two major branches above under the James Line: Archibald born 1751 and Michael born 1764. Frank is from the Michael Line. I’ll add him in there:


Here Frank sits comfortably with other Michael Frazer descendants. However, he is in the Fitzgerald Frazer Branch all by himself. Fitzgerald Frazer moved to New York from Ireland. I assume that he felt his prospects would be better there. He was living in Haverstraw, NY in 1850.

The Census indicates that he was in New York at least by 1835 when his eldest daughter was born. He apparently married in New York before that time.

Frank is 4th cousin to the other DNA-tested Michael Frazer descendants. Frank is 5th cousin or further out to other James Line descendants. My guess is that Mary Gordon, Fitzgerald’s wife, was not related to Fitzgerald. At least, if she was not related to him, that would make the DNA analysis easier.

Frank’s DNA

I would like to look at Frank’s DNA to see how he matches with other Frazer’s. First, I ran Frank’s matches against all in the Frazer project with no known genealogical link to the James Line and came up with this:

Paul is my 2nd cousin, once removed. Karen, Chris, and Charlene are from the McPartland Connection. I forget how Jenn fits in. I have written a lot about my family’s connection with the McPartlands and likely James Line connection. I hope to make some suggestions later in this Blog.

Here is how Frank matches the above and those from the James Line:

This Matrix is difficult to interpret.

  • The McPartland Group seems to match the Archibald Frazer/Peyton Group the best
  • Marilee has a large match with Bob from the McPartland Group. I have discussed Marilee in past Blogs.
  • Frank’s best match is with Betty from the Archibald/Peyton Group. He also has good matches with the McPartland Group. Frank matches one of the four Michael Frazer descendants above 7cM.

Triangulation to the Rescue?

I like to look at triangulated segments or Triangulation Groups (TGs). The theory is that when three or more people share the same DNA that indicates a unique shared ancestor for the group. If Frank triangulates with any of the above people, it could shed some light.

Chromosome 12


Here Frank is in a TG with Paul and Joanna. I find this interesting for a few reasons. First, I believe that this TG represents Paul’s McMaster/Frazer side. This is from my web page from about 15 years ago.


Here I speculate that Michael Frazer could have been Margaret Frazer’s father or brother. If Margaret was 20 when she married, she would have been born in 1793. I now have that Michael Frazer could have been born in 1764 which would have made him 29 at the time of Margaret’s birth – assuming I am on the right track.

Here I will try out my theory:

Here I have Paul and my family under the Michael Line, but we are one or two generations down from the others. I don’t know if we belong here or to the left under Archibald and Catherine Peyton. Here is what the triangulation would look like assuming that Paul and family descend from the Michael Line:

The common ancestor would be the same whether I put Margaret Frazer under Michael or his brother Archibald.

Not Being in TG12

Interestingly, Prudence, Karen and Chris could have been in this TG, but they were not.

A wild guess could be that Karen and Chris from the McPartland Line descend from Archibald born about 1792. Then it would have to be that Chris, Prudence and Karen were sharing the DNA from Archibald’s mother Catherine Peyton. That could explain some of the McPartland DNA matches here:

This is what the McPartlands would look like under this scenario:

They would be the green family on the left. I would be in the green family on the right. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. It doesn’t hurt to build these make-believe trees as it helps to see where these families could be. However, I would rather have the McPartlands and my green branch under the same side. I’ll explain why in the next section.

Chris and My Sisters Match on the X Chromosome

Here is how Chris from the McPartland Line matches my three sisters on the X Chromosome:

Those are pretty big matches. The only way for Chris to match Lori, Sharon, and Heidi on the Frazer Line is by going through the McMaster side. This is the scenario that I am proposing:

Under this scenario, the X Match would head up to Catherine Peyton. My second choice would be to have both green branches under the Michael Line. In that case, the X Chromosome matches would go back to Margaret Stewart. I’m sure I’ll do more analysis on this in the future. If we had more information on where all these people lived it may also make things more clear.

Usually X matches are not helpful in surname studies such as this. That is because the X Chromosome is not passed down from father to son. However, this case is different. On the McPartland side, the Frazer ancestor is deep in the ancestry on the maternal side. In my family’s case, I have Frazer on more than one line. One of those lines goes back on my grandmother’s father’s mother’s line which is McMaster. In fact, my three sisters got all their paternal side X Chromosome from their paternal grandmother. She in turn got all her paternal side X Chromosome from her paternal grandfather who was Margaret McMaster born 1846.

Back to Triangulation and Non-Triangulation

Above, I had mentioned how Paul, Frank and Joanna Triangulated, but Prudence, Karen and Chris did not even though they matched on the same segments. How can that be? Here is one possible explanation:

Prudence, Chris and Karen could be matching on Peyton DNA and Joanna, Paul and Frank could be triangulating on Frazer DNA. With DNA, at a certain level, there are only two choices. The DNA is either from the mother or the father. In this scenario, either Archibald Frazer or Catherine Peyton. Of course, there are other possibilities, but those would be based on different possible family histories.

I have more Triangulation Groups (TGs) in this Blog. However, some of them need to be updated based on the information from this Blog. It is interesting after that reading that Blog to see how I was heading in the right direction and see the answers starting to unfold. In this Blog, the answers are continuing to unfold as to how my family, the James Line and the McPartland Line all tie together.

Frank’s DNA Matches

Here’s a summary of Frank’s matches:

The facts of Frank’s DNA matches are simple. The interpretation is complicated as the genealogy is skimpy.

Summary and Conclusions

  • Frank’s DNA results are important as he provides a new Michael Line on the James Line.
  • That line is a bit isolated from other Michael Line descendants and Frank only matches Bonnie from that Line. Statistically, Frank should be matching 4th cousins on this line at greater than 50%. In reality, he matches one out of four of his fourth cousins on this line.
  • On the Archibald Line, Frank matches five out of about 15 tested descendants. That is better than the >10% reported for fifth cousins.
  • Frank is in a Triangulation Group with Paul and Joanna. For Paul, who is my cousin, that most probably on a line that goes from Frazer to McMaster to Frazer.
  • I proposed a scenario where Paul’s Line and the McPartland Line fits on the Archibald Frazer/Peyton Line.
  • This proposed tree includes that fact that Frank’s closest matches seemed to be with the McPartlands. The McPartland line and my sisters share a large block of X Chromosome. The pathway of X Chromosome inheritance narrows down many matching possibilities and therfor common ancestors. Paul, Frank and Joanna were in a TG which gives rise to certain possibilities for common ancestors.
  • As I look at the genealogy, I notice that Frank has a William and a Fitzgerald in his anestry. I see those names also on the Archibald Line. However, Fitzgerald also appears in Beverly’s Line on the Michael Frazer side.
  • As I look at previous Blogs, it seems like the answers are coming together slowly, though there is no definitive answer yet. I am not sure how much more definitive one can get with just DNA testing and minimal genealogy.

Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 4 – Chromosome 3

I’m ready to start visual phasing of Chromosome 3.

I’ll start with some rough crossover lines:

I try to look at the crossovers and names at the same time to make sure I have enough crossovers. One unusual thing is that on the right hand side, I have five crossovers for Jon (F) in relatively close proximity.

Putting Cousins on the Map

Next I look at the All Cousins function on the Fox Spreadsheet. The first best candidate is James, my father’s cousin. I’ll put some Hartley paternal grandfather DNA in the slots where James matches my family.

Here’s something I want to keep on top of. The right hand side of the matches (in blue) is wandering on each side of a crossover line. I need to start my crossover spreadsheet to keep track of where these crossovers are.

This shows that the Jim (V) crossover is at 39.8 and the Hartley cousin match goes up to 38.6, so we are OK to put Hartley up to the Jim crossover.

The three paternal crossovers on the left fell right into the spots that I had predicted, so I’m off to a good start.

Maternal Cousin Carolyn

Carolyn matches our family on our Lentz grandparent side. Here is my grandmother, speaking of Lentz:

She was born in 1900.

I started mapping Lentz DNA, but ran into a question on the right hand side of Chromosome 3:

Actually I may all right, as I show a crossover for Joel and Sharon on the very right and that is consistent with our match with Carolyn. Here is what Gedmatch -shows for Carolyn:

The right-hand crossovers for Sharon and Joel are really close. Sharon is at 195.80 and Joel’s crossover is at 195.82. I can go with these numbers, but I’ll have to change the crossover order. It also look like, from Gedmatch, that Jon has a crossover at 186M. I’ll write this into my spreadsheet:

Here is how the right hand side of Chromosome 3 mapped out:

Checking out the position numbers at Gedmatch helped me find the crossover for Jon (F).

This is what I get from looking at the first two cousin matches:

Rathfelder Line Cousin Inese

Inese is from Latvia. Here are her matches with my family:

Inese is picking up maternal crossovers for Joel and Lori:

Inese’s matches do not span the crossovers but the two crossovers are implied by the crossover lines above.

Joyce – Another Hartley Match

Here I add in some more orange Hartley based on Joyce’s matches:

Emily – A Frazer Side Match

Here the paternal Frazer match goes through a Lori crossover. That means Lori’s first crossover must be maternal.

I checked a few more cousins and came up with this:

What’s Next? Gedmatch Comparisons

Next, it would make sense to look at the FIRs at Gedmatch and the no-match sibling comparisons, to fill in some blanks above. I did that plus I extended the DNA to the easy looking crossovers. That means the crossovers I wasn’t expecting problems with.

I filled in all but this area on the right hand side of Chromosome 3:

This looks right for Jon as he has two crossovers in this area. However, I have none. I need to add one in there. At the top of the image above, it shows that the comparison between Heidi and Joel (D) shows no match on either side of the Chromosome in that little segment. That means that I would be Frazer (blue) and Lentz (green). That means that my crossover should be near Jon’s first F.

I need to look around 160.9 for my crossover.

This could be it at 156.7:

Here’s some more information from Gedmatch:

The first circled match is my match with Heidi and the next two circled matches are between me and Lori and Jim. I’ll call my crossover 156.2.

Here, I’ve added my paternal crossover:

Placing Jon’s Two Sequential Crossovers in the Right Order

Next, I’m curious as to Jon’s (F) two crossovers. Which is maternal and which is paternal? I ran Jon against 5 siblings and two maternal first cousins and got this:

#6 is Cousin Cindy. My guess is that her match is the maternal crossover for Jon (F). This is at 165.7M which is where I had Jon’s second crossover:

Of course, that makes Jon’s preceding crossover at 160.9M paternal:

Comparing My Work to Gedmatch with the Segment Map

I don’t see any obvious errors. The places on the right that are small and yellow indicate small HIR matches that didn’t show as blue matches on the left because the resolution was not low enough. Here is one example:

That was relatively painless. I tried to be careful with my work, so I wouldn’t have to fix a lot of things later.

The Final Result

I forgot to show my results:


This is the first time my brother Jim’s Chromosome 3 has been phased. I don’t think that I had phased Lori before on the Chromosome either. This time, Jim and Lori have full paternal side Frazer Chromosomes. That’s good for the Frazer DNA Project I am working on. Between the six siblings, there is full coverage for all the grandparents. Without Jim and Lori in the mix, I would be missing a lot of Frazer DNA on Chromosome 3.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I tried to be more methodical with my work this time and plan ahead for areas that could cause problems
  • One problem area is nailing down crossovers that are near other crossovers. A spreadsheet giving the position number of the crossovers helps.
  • I used a first cousin maternal match to find a maternal crossover for Jon. This was necessary because Jon had two crossovers in a row.
  • As in all Chromosome Maps, this information should be helpful in finding matches along one of four grandparent lines.

Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 3 – Chromosome 2

In Part 1, I downloaded the Steven Fox Spreadsheet and built up the information for six siblings and 17 cousins. Then I did the visual phasing on the X Chromosome. In Part 2, I finished Chromosome 1 for 6 siblings, with a heavy dependence on cousin matches.

Visual Phasing Chromosome 2

Here are the 15 comparisons for my six siblings. There are 5, 4, 3, 2, then 1 comparison. I think that is where the 15 comes from.

I don’t see too many odd things here.

Here I added a bunch of crossovers. I don’t know if it is better to put in too few and add later or too many and erase later. I’m not too worried if I have them perfect as I will be checking them against cousin matches.

I’ll start with cousin Maury. I think that’s how his name is spelled. Where we match represents the DNA I got from my paternal Hartley grandfather:

I need to stick the blue matches above for Jim, Joel, Heidi and Lori. I see one crossover for Heidi where her Hartley DNA stops and above and below her, Jim and Lori’s Hartley DNA continues on to the right. To the right of Heidi’s crossover, the only other choice on the paternal side is Frazer, so I’ll add that in.

I have the first crossover identified. It is for Heidi, it is paternal and it is at position 53.5M. I’ll put this into a spreadsheet as it is helpful information to have if you ever do raw data phasing or if you want to add your grandparents to Gedmatch:

[The M for Heidi is wrong. It should be a P.]

I could also infer that the segments above and below the Hartley matches would be Frazer matches. I’ll add those now. If I’m wrong, I can correct them later. However, again, on the paternal side, there are two choices from where the DNA came from.

Adding a Maternal Cousin Match to Chromosome 2

Cousin Anita is a Rathfelder cousin.

It looks like there are few crossovers here. However, the representations of where the relative positions of the matches are can be misleading. I think that I will try assign as many crossovers as I can. Here is what I get from Anita’s matches:

Here is a summary of the crossovers from the first two cousin matches:

I didn’t get a position number for Jim’s crossover as they are not displaying correctly on the spreadsheet.

Next, Check the Gedmatch Comparisons

Here is one issue I see right away:

In the Gedmatch comparison between Heidi and Lori, there is a no match area between Segment H and F in red. The answer appears to be that Heidi has an additional crossover in the area of the L and F maternal crossovers at 103 and 105M. The Heidi crossover should be at about 104, based on the Heidi and Jim (V) comparison:

In Lori’s crossover, she went from Rathfelder to Lentz. In order for Heidi and Lori to continue not matching, Heidi needs to change from Lentz to Rathfelder.

The above gedmatch comparison is Lori compared to Heidi. Between crossovers L and H there is a very short segment where Lori and Heidi are HIR. They don’t match H to L. Then L to H they match on Lentz (green) only. Then Heidi and Lori go back quickly to not matching again.

Cousin Joyce on the Hartley Side

Cousin Joyce has some Hartley segments for the left side of my family’s Chromosome 2:

These matches start at about zero and go to 9M. That is at about the third vertical line above (crossover) belonging to D who is me (Joel). This causes a problem as it goes through Sharon’s crossover. When I look more closely, I see that Sharon’s crossover is at 9M and mine is at 12M:

That means I have to bring back the orange one small segment:


While I was working on this, I made a guess that I (D) had a paternal crossover right after Sharon. I put this into my spreadsheet:

At 7M, I have a crossover for Lori, but I don’t know if it is maternal or paternal yet. I also looked up the last crossover position for Jim at gedmatch.

It looks like Joyce could help clean up the right side of Chromosome 2:

The bottom blue bar is for Heidi and it shows her crossover. Heidi’s crossover is at 226M. Note that I show three crossovers in a row above, but only have two initials. I’ll say that the extra crossover is for Heidi:

The circled areas are in the comparison of Jim (V) to Heidi and Jon (F) to Heidi. Heidi is common in both. I had mentioned in a previous Blog that a change from no match to FIR or from FIR to no match could indicate a crossover for a person on a paternal and maternal side in close succession. That appears to be the case here.

The spreadsheet is important, because the visual part of visual phasing can throw you off. That means that the visuals don’t always line up well, so it is important to depend on the position numbers. This is especially important where the crossovers are close together.

Here are Heidi’s crossovers on the right:


This creates another problem as Heidi’s Lent in Green has to get back to purple Rathfelder on the left, and I don’t have any crossovers for Heidi between the two. This means that either Heidi doesn’t have a crossover on the left or she needs another in the middle. Confused? You bet I am. I’ll worry about this later.

Deciphering the Right End of Chromosome 2 – Paternal Side

Hartley cousin Beth helps figure out the right hand side of the Chromosome. Ends of Chromosomes can be difficult to interpret.

Lori’s match is off by about one half million positions from the other three matches. I don’t know if that is significant. It may indicate a crossover that I don’t have.

Here is how I started to fill in the right hand side of Chromosome 2:

  • JIm’s crossover was on the maternal side, so I filled in the rest of his Hartley DNA.
  • I show Sharon with a crossover. If she has one, it needs to be on the paternal side.
  • This leaves Lori. If her match with Beth is right, then Lori needs another crossover – probably at 239M.

Here is Lori’s crossover:

This shows that Lori’s crossover is right before Jim’s.

Tiny Segments at the Chromosome Ends Are Not That Important

First, thanks Beth. The tiny segments at the end for Sharon and Jim are not that important in practice. However, if you want to fill out your Chromosome Maps it is fun to figure them out. Note Sharon’s small Hartley segment at the right end. This does not show up on the cousin match. It is just too small. If I lowered the thresholds at Gedmatch, it should show.

As my mom would say, “So there”.

Paul’s Frazer DNA

Here I just show the right side of Chromosome 2, where Paul matches my brother and three sisters:

These segments don’t align well, but the numbers show that they are pretty close to each other vertically.


I filled in the Frazer segments and Hartley segments where Paul didn’t match:

Jim likely has a paternal crossover at V. He needs one to match the paternal Frazer at the left.

Cousin Linda’s Maternal Lentz Matches

Linda points out two crossovers on the maternal side:

These are at 222M for me and 228M for Heidi:

I already had Heidi’s crossover listed, but here is mine added.

Gedmatch Sibling Pair Comparisons and Reconciliations

Next, I want to compare my Sibling Chromosome Map with what Gedmatch shows:

For example the comparison between Sharon and Lori shows that they have an FIR that means that Sharon should have Lentz DNA on her maternal side. Lori has two crossovers in a row, so the second should be Frazer to Hartley. Because I am looking for a crossover for Heidi, somewhere in the middle, I’ll fill in the other siblings, but not Heidi:

As I fill in the blanks, I see that I have more problems:


  • Looks like Jim (V) needs another crossover. I believe that should be near the third V above.
  • Jon has two crossovers, but if I put in Rathfelder in the blank area on Jon’s maternal side, that would solve that.
  • Sharon needs to go from Rathfelder (purple) to Lentz (green) but has no crossover.
  • Heidi has the same issue.
  • Lori has a crossover but no apparent need for one. By looking at the Gedmatch comparisons, the L should be an H and S. This should solve the above two problems.

Jim’s Double V

Here Jim has crossovers on the maternal and paternal side:

These don’t line up that great visually. These two Jim Crossovers are at 191 and 192. I don’t know which crossover is maternal and which is paternal at this point.

Replacing One Lori Crossover with One Sharon and One Heidi Crossover (Or How to Solve Two Problems by Correcting One Crossover)

The problem in doing this is, which Crossover goes first? Here is the Lori Crossover I want to replace:

This shows where they both match with me (D). The Sharon crossover is at 173M and the Heidi crossover is at 172M, so Heidi goes first.

My list of crossovers is getting quite long:

These two crossovers need to be on the maternal side to make the map work. I don’t know if this is right, but it seemed to work:

Some Eye Excercise

This is a side by view of what it is from Gedmatch versus what I came up using the Fox Spreadsheet. I think they agree. All I have to do now is fill in Jim’s double crossover and some small segments on the left hand side of the Chromosome.

Jim’s Double Crossover

This should be easy.

In the little gap between 191 and 192M, Jim has no match with Jon (F), Sharon and Lori.

Jon, Sharon and Lori have a blue/purple combination, so I’ll give Jim a no-matching orange/green combo:

If everything else is right, this just falls into place.

The Left Side of Chromosome 2

This looks really confusing. I have five crossovers in short succession and one not assigned. I could give up now, but I would like to finish this Chromosome and move on to 3-22. First, I took out the unassigned crossover.

I’ve circled all the cases where there is a no match going to an FIR or FIR going to a no match. They include three V’s, three F’s, three H’s and three L’s. I think that means that I need to add an F and H crossover to what I already have. That includes all six siblings. The other question is whether these are all double crossovers. If that is the case, then I could need to add up to five crossovers.

I can start by filling in some paternal side in the first segment:

Next, I need to make use of my spreadsheet.

These are the crossovers I have already. Next, I’ll look for some more position numbers.

Here Jon has a 10.4 crossover. It seems to line up well with his other matches.

Jim and Heidi match here:

That looks to be about the place of Heidi’s crossover.

I’ll start filling out the map based on the above, but I feel like there is at least one double crossover somewhere:

I did a quick segment map check:

The resolution is off, but it looks to be not too bad a comparison.

Could This Be the Map?

I think it looks good for a wrap.

Comparing Chromosome 2 with Previous Analysis

Here is what M MacNeill did for me previously:

This was for three siblings. The interesting par is that this shows DNA that was missing on my father’s side. My mom has been tested, so is missing no DNA. DNA is missing for my paternal grandmother on both ends. DNA is missing for my paternal grandfather in the middle of Chromosome 2.

Now no Hartley DNA is missing (paternal grandfather). Also no paternal grandmother is missing thanks to Jon. He has a full Chromosome 2 of paternal grandmother. This is interesting because Jon also has a full Chromosome 1 of Frazer (paternal grandmother). That’s a lot of Frazer. Let’s say Jon was trying to prove he was related to a Hartley who had huge segments of Hartley DNA on Chromosomes 1 and 2 but nowhere else. Jon would show that he would not be related to this Hartley by DNA.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I continued on with the same method I used for Chromosome 1. That was to use cousin matches and to  identify crossovers by cousin matches. I map those matches and crossovers and what I can infer from the gedmatch comparisons. I then check the Segment Map to see if it agrees with the gedmatch comparisons.
  • I still like using the cousin matches first as it sets the maternal and paternal side right away. The crossovers from the cousin matches seem quite certain and give me a good start on visual phasing.
  • I make sure I keep at least the close crossovers in a spreadsheet, so I can know which crossover goes where. Special attention is given to the position numbers as they can give clues to how many crossovers there are.
  • At the end of my visual phasing, I was looking for double crossovers, but they were not there.
  • For Chromosome 1, I consulted with some of my previous work. For Chromosome 2, I did not look at any previous work I had done or had done for me.
  • Finally, I looked at my results compared with previous results.



Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 2 – Chromosome 1, the Most Difficult Chromosome?

In my previous Blog, I created a very useful spreadsheet thanks to Steven Fox. This spreadsheet has my five siblings plus me with comparisons to each other, cousins and all I need to visually phase six siblings. In that Blog, I started by mapping out the X Chromosome.

On to Chromosome 1

Chromosome 1 could be tough. This Chromosome has the potential for the most crossovers. I tried showing some crossovers, but it was a bit of a muddle:

I have worked on phasing my DNA using raw DNA and have had help from M MacNeill. MacNeill came up with this for three of the siblings in my family:

This shows a maternal and paternal crossover for me in close proximity at about 23M. MacNeill showed my maternal crossover at 23.1M and my paternal crossover at 23.3M at the left side of the top row. That is fairly close.

Here is a problem area on the right hand side of my sibling comparisons:

In the D&S comparison, see how quickly the comparison goes from FIR to no match. This is likely indicative of my maternal and paternal crossover. Above, the F&L comparison, there is a slightly more gradual change from no match to HIR to FIR. I don’t know if that indicates a maternal/paternal crossover for Lori or if my double change is giving Lori a double change.

Then, on the right side of the Chromosome, I see this:


At around position 204M, F&H goes from no match to a FIR fairly quickly and D&L goes from HIR to no match very quickly. It looks like I could have another Lori (L) crossover in that area.

Here I tried some visual phasing, but, it is not right:

Here is how the segment map compares:

The comparison is not bad in the middle of the Chromosome where I started the visual phasing, but it goes south quickly on the right.  The V&D comparison on the left side of the segment map is off also.

Using Cousin Matches

My though at this point was to use cousin matches to get this map into better shape.

At the bottom right, Lori’s last match with Joyce ends at 203M, Heidi’s ends at 205M and Sharon and Joel continue on. Sharon’s Match with Joyce starts at 190M and my match starts at 182M. That tells me that Sharon has a crossover at 190M, Lori at 203M and Heidi at 205M. This is just on the paternal side as Joyce is a paternal match.

A Cousin Match Spreadsheet

I like the idea of using cousin matches, so I copied this spreadsheet and made another called Cousin. The good thing about putting in matches based on cousins is that when you can see the crossovers, you can tell which side they are on. Then on the other side of the crossover, the DNA will come from the spouse of the match. For example, above when my siblings match Joyce, that is on the Hartley side. So to the left of Sharon’s Hartley match with Joyce, the DNA would be from Frazer (my paternal grandmother).

Here is how I mapped out my siblings’ Hartley match with Joyce. On the other side of the paternal crossovers, I can add in Frazer:

After comparing the paternal matches with the gedmatch comparisons, I can make some more deductions:

For example Sharon has no match with Lori in the middle segment. that means that Sharon must have a Frazer segment there where Lori has the orange Hartley segment.

Adding Maternal Cousins

My cousin Catherine represents my Rathfelder maternal grandfather. I’ll add in some Rathfelder from Catherine:

Where Jon does not match Catherine or Rathfelder, he must match Rathfelder’s wife who was Lentz. This is true for Joel also in the second set of matches. This change for Joel (D) must happen where I have his crossover.

This gives my family four grandparent segments by just two cousin matches.

Two Missing Paternal Crossovers for Lori and Heidi

Above, I had mentioned that Lori had a paternal crossover at 203M and Heidi at 205M, but I forgot to add them in.  Here are the ones I forgot along with the ones I didn’t:

This shows how crowded things can get with a six sibling comparison. This is what these crossovers result in on the map:

That configuration results in this Segment Map on the Fox Spreadsheet on the right versus the original gedmatch comparison:

Above, I am just comparing the segment that goes from L to L. All the differences are on the right hand side and they all have to do with Heidi. I suppose that could mean that I have too many crossovers for Heidi, not enough, or have deduced the wrong thing from the crossover I have. My guess is that Heidi has an additional maternal crossover.

Based on the Gedmatch comparisons, Jon (F) and Heidi should match on both grandparents. If Heidi had a Lentz in her last column, then she would match Jon.

Now the segment map agrees with Gedmatch:

The problem was the 5 crossovers in a row. I find it interesting how a comparison with the segment map and Gedmatch pointed right to Heidi as the place where the problem was.

A Lentz Cousin Should Fill Out the Right Hand Side of Chromosome 1

Here is how Judith matches my family:

I see three maternal crossovers on the right. One is with Jim (V), then Heidi, then Lori in the last row.

When I fill out the missing segments, I get this:

 Using the Fact-Checker Segment Map

The good news is that I have the area of discrepancy narrowed down to one person again:

I did something wrong with Jim (V). Jim is supposed to match Sharon in the Last segment. That means that Jim needs another paternal crossover from Frazer to Hartley. All I had to do was compare Jim to Frazer cousin Paul to find Jim’s crossover:

Actually I had to compare Paul to Jim and Jon to find Jim’s crossover. Here is my expanded list of crossovers:

Here is the extra Jim (V) crossover added before Lori’s last crossover:

There would have been a lot more trial and error without the cousin matches that I have. Now Gedmatch and the segment map appear to match:

Also, I am liking Steve Fox’s Segment Map.

The Most Difficult Chromosome

Chromosome 1 isn’t necessarily the most difficult Chromosme to visually phase but it has the most potential to be the most difficult one. Looks like this Blog will just be on Chromosome 1.

Here’s a Hartley cousin on the left side of the Chromosome:

This will take care of one of my crossovers and one for Lori. It looks like Lori’s crossover should be ahead of mine:

I also carried some of Jon’s segments over as he shows no crossovers. It looks like I need another crossover for Lori:

Jon (F) has no match with Lori in the first row comparison. Then he has a short HIR and then FIR. My assumption is that Jon has no crossovers on either side of his Chromosome 1. That means that Lori, must have two crossovers.

Final Fact Check with the Segment Map


Something is off in the V Section which is Jim’s. My solution so far, has been to add an extra crossover:

Now I have everything except a tiny little area for Jim:

If only I had a cousin match in that area. It looks like the first V is at 35M and the second is at 41M. Jim’s match with Joyce should work.

Joyce matches Jim (V) up to 38M which is past the area of his first crossover at 35M:

The Finished Product

Using the merge function beautifies the map:

Wait maybe not. Here is a global fact check using the Segment Map:

How did I miss this before? Again my fact-checking exercise has narrowed down the problem to one sibling. This time it is Sharon. I have also narrowed the area in which the problem is: between S and V.

I see the problem:

Sharon is third from the bottom. I have her bottom maternal crossover from Rathfelder (purple) to Lentz (green) at V instead of at S. This should fix things:

That should do it:

This shows that there are no gaps where any of the grandparents’ DNA is missing between all six siblings.

Summary and Conclusions

  • First I made some rough crossover lines and assigned them to four siblings
  • Second I went to the cousin match map and mapped a few cousins onto the spreadsheet
  • Using these cousin matches I could see where some of the crossovers were. The advantage of this is that I already knew which side (paternal or maternal) the crossovers were on. On the other side of the crossover, I knew that the person got their DNA from the corresponding spouse.
  • I extended these matches using the gedmatch sibling comparisons
  • I checked my results using the segment map and made corrections
  • I found where there was a quick change from no match to FIR or FIR to no match in a sibling comparison, that it often meant a person had a paternal and maternal crossover in close proximity.
  • The use of cousin matches greatly sped up the process of visual phasing.
  • By using cousin matches I skipped using the G1-G4 codes and went directly to actual grandparents. This method seems more intuitive to me. However, it only works with good cousin matches.
  • This also went quickly because I had done it before. Because of this, I already knew I had a double crossover near the beginning of the Chromosome. I also believed that my brother Jon had a full pair of DNA from his paternal grandmother and maternal grandfather. However, I basically recreated the map from the beginning.
  • It is satisfying to see the map for all six siblings and how they got their DNA from each of their four grandparents.

Visual Phasing Six Siblings with the Fox Spreadsheet: Part 1 – The X Chromosome and a Deceptive Cousin Match

My brother Jim was the last of six siblings to have his DNA tested. As a result, I am behind on phasing his DNA. The Visual Phasing process puts your DNA into four categories. Those four categories correspond to the DNA that you got from your four grandparents.

First I used the Steven Fox Visual Phasing Spreadsheet. I downloaded information from gedmatch using that spreadsheet. The program timed out, but it looks like I have enough to get started. Usually, Visual Phasing is just done with three siblings at a time, but I thought I’d try it with all six.

Starting with the X Chromosome

Some people like to start with the X Chromosome. Part of the reason is that it is already phased between maternal and paternal. Females get two X Chromosomes, but males get one. The one that males get is from the maternal side. I had already looked into Jim’s X Chromosome. I compared it without the Fox Spreadsheet and got this:

Here is the complicated six sibling comparison:

In this comparison, Jim is V, Jon is F, and Joel is D. V&F, V&D and F&D correspond to my three brother comparison above. My three sisters have two X Chromosomes, so they have a maternal and paternal side. The paternal side is the same for all three sisters, so they are at least half identical in all places. Yellow is the half identical areas. Red is no match and green means that my sisters match on both the maternal and paternal sides.

I have set the crossover points here:

Next I need to figure out who owns each crossover. It looks like the first one belongs to Heidi:

Every time there is a change in one of the comparisons, Heidi is involved. In three sibling visual phasing, Heidi would be involved in match changes with two other siblings. In six sibling visual phasing, she shows the changes with each of her five siblings. This gives more certainty to setting crossover lines.

Second Try at Building the Chromosomes

I tried to build the chromosomes a second time without all the added cousins as that was slowing the process down. The spreadsheet allows you to add them later. Here is the assuring message I got:

I can add the cousins in later.

An Apparent Jim Crossover That Is Not

Note that at about position 23, it appears that Jim should have a crossover, but it actually goes to his two brothers:

This is a little easier to see in the six sibling comparison:

Jon (F) is in purple and Joel (D) is in orange. These two crossovers are not in the same place but are very close to each other. Joel’s is first at about 23M and Jon is next at about 23.3M.

Another Close Set of Crossovers: Jim and Lori

Here Jim’s crossover is at 87.5M and Lori’s is at 87.7M. That means I need to add another Line for Lori. Now I have 13 crossovers for six siblings:

Adding Cousins

I would like to add cousins to the spreadsheet, as I took them out earlier to make the spreadsheet build run smoothly. Now I will add them back in. I went through Steve Fox’s instruction manual. I added back in cousins and hit the ‘add’ button. I had added my father’s cousin Jim and the program didn’t like that as my brother is also Jim, so I changed my father’s cousin’s name to James and the program was happy. I added 17 cousins, so it could take the spreadsheet a while to add in 17 cousins for 6 siblings. Based on the progress, this process should take about an hour if nothing times out. Actually, it did time out or Excel hung up and I wasn’t happy with the results. So I deleted the cousins and added them in in two batches after closing unneeded programs and Excel spreadsheets.

Here is another assuring announcement:

After this, I ran the other 9 cousins and I successfully completed the build. This build process took a while but should be well worth it.

Back to Visual Phasing of the X

Heidi, Sharon, and Lori will all have their X DNA from their paternal grandmother – Frazer.

I put Frazer on the bottom. That means the maternal side will go on top. For that, I just need to see a few cousin matches. When I choose ‘all cousins’, I see that Anita and her sister have the best X Chromosome matches with my family:

Anita matches Jim, Sharon, Heidi, and Lori on the right. Anita has smaller matches near the middle of the Chromosome with Sharon and Lori . By comparing the chromosomes on the right, it looks like I can see a crossover for Sharon (at 68M) and Lori. For some reason, the position numbers for the matching comparisons are not all showing at the left.

Remember, I said that Lori had a crossover on the right hand side? It shows as my crossover (D or Joel). That means I probably missed a crossover for Lori.

Here is a comparison between Lori and Jim that shows where Lori’s crossover is:

Every carat mark is one million, so Lori’s crossover is at 142M.

Anita above represents Rathfelder, so I just need to put in Rathfelder everwhere that Anita matches my family.

The spreadsheet has a function called Extend, but it didn’t work for the Rathfelder entries for some reason. I’ll just extend Rathfelder manually to the crossovers:

A Problem for Sharon

I extended Jim, but ran into a problem with Sharon:

If I extend Sharon to the right, it goes through a crossover line. A crossover line is where there should be a change from Rathfelder to Lentz. That means that something is wrong. I’ll just visually phase the brothers:

Then I will go segment by segment from Jim to his sisters to see where the change is needed.

It turns out that I was doing it right, but the two small matches with Anita and Inese were wrong. The common wisdom is to ignore X Chromosome matches under 15 or 20 cM. In my opinion, this is especially true between two females. I find this a bit confusing as three cousins match on those two segments of Sharon and Lori.

So that was supposed to be the ‘easy’ Chromosome!

Here is another way of looking at the X Chromosome and cousin match:

Jim (V) matches Lori and Sharon at segment S-F as shown by the blue bars above. Sharon and Lori match cousins Anita, Inese and Catherine at the same segment. However, James does not match cousins Anita, Inese or Catherine at the same segment. That is further confirmation that the X Chromosome match Anita has with Lori and Sharon is not good for use in Visual Phasing.

Checking the Segment Map

The Fox Spreadsheet also has a Segment Map. This is a check to see if your final results match up with the original Gedmatch comparison. It is not a proof that the visual phasing is right. However, if it does not match, it is pretty good proof that something went wrong.

For the X Chromosome, it only works for the three sisters.

The top part is the Gedmatch comparisons with my three sisters. The bottom spreadsheet part should mimic the topgedmatch comparisons if the Visual Phasing is done correctly. Also in Chromosomes other that the X, there will be red sections where there is no matching. When three sister always match on the paternal grandmother, there is no place on the X Chromosome where there is no match.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I had never visually phased my brother Jim except for the X Chromosome. I decided to start the process by working with the Steven Fox Visual Phasing Spreadsheet.
  • I had never clearly understood why a crossover that looked like it should belong to one sibling could belong to the other two. Using six siblings, it was visually clear how that could happen. The other two siblings have crossovers that are close to each other. In this example, Joel and Jon had crossovers near each other. As a result, they both matched Jim in those close crossovers. This made it look like Jim had one crossover when the three sisters were not considered.
  •  A match that three of my sisters had with three cousins made the visual phasing confusing. By re-checking the crossovers and the match between my brother Jim and my three sisters, it became clear that the X Chromosome matches with my sisters that was around 10 cM was either not valid or too ancient to be helpful. In order for these 10 cM cousin matches to be valid there would have had to have been a match with these cousins and my brother Jim also.
  • Visual Phasing of the X Chromosome is simple in that there are only three grandparents to consider and one grandparent is always the sisters’ paternal grandmother’s DNA unrecombined. However, there are other issues that can make the visual phasing of the X Chromosome complicated.
  • I used the segment map to check my work.
  • The Steven Fox Visual Phasing Spreadsheet is a great tool for Visual Phasing. It is time-saving and a great way to organize your work. For six siblings, it shows the results for those siblings all in one location.
  • I’m ready to Visually Phase Jim and the other 5 siblings for Chromosomes 1-22.


William’s Newfoundland DNA

I recently wrote a Blog about Brenda’s Newfoundland DNA and her DNA matches with my wife’s family. I had a response to that Blog requestingt that I check out the DNA of William. William is about #20 on Esther’s Gedmatch List. Aunt Esther is my mother-in-law’s 1/2 Aunt.

By Gedmatch, Joan and William could be about 2nd cousins once removed or similar. However, with Newfoundland genealogy, there can be many lines of family connections.

William at Ancestry

I see from William’s Gedmatch number that William has tested at Ancestry. I can now go down Esther’s match list and see how closely people match by DNA:

This William looks to be the same as the one at Gedmatch. Here is William’s tree at Ancestry:

There are some holes in the genealogy, but the common surname at William’s great grandparent level is Dicks. There are also some ancestors marked as ‘private’ at the lower right of William’s tree. This happens when the ancestor is not noted as deceased. I found out by an e email from Norma that this is the right William. Ancestry thinks that Joan and William are third cousins. If so, the common ancestor would be on the level that has three of Williams 2nd great-grandparents identified out of 16. This would also be at the same level as the parents of Esther Dicks.

A Quick and Dirty Tree for William

As some ancestors are missing on William’s tree, I’ll whip up what is called a quick and dirty tree.

Ancestry has suggested ancestors, so I just used their suggestions. Now we have 12 out of 16 potential 2nd great-grandparents for William. It appears that William favors the Collins. Senior, and Butler surnames. If I understand it correctly, my wife’s Great Aunt Esther should have the Butler name on her maternal side, but I have gotten around to fitting it into her genealogy.

Esther Dicks Born 1854

Norma tells me that William’s Esther Dicks may have come from Harbour Buffet where both sides of Esther’s family were from. The clue I got from Ancestry thought that Esther Dicks was from Flat Island where a lot of William’s ancestors were from. However, I don’t have a lot of evidence showing where Esther Dicks was born.

William’s DNA

It would be nice if we could figure out more about William’s ancestry by looking at his DNA and his matches. One problem with William’s match with Esther is that she has Dicks on her mother’s and father’s side:


My mother-in-law Joan only matches Esther on her paternal side, so matches that Esther, Joan and William share force the match to Esther’s paternal side. This is also true forJoan’s sister Elaine. Here is how Joan and William match at Gedmatch:

Joan and William match by only 31 cM which leaves an extra 150 cM for William to match Esther where she doesn’t match Joan. Part or all of this 150 cM could represent the [lower] maternal side of Esther’s tree. Well, it can’t be all of 150 cM, as this is how William matches Joan’s sister Elaine:

Comparing William to Other Dicks Descendants

The next logical step is to compare William to other Dicks descendants. These would be descendants of Christopher Dicks who was born about 1784 and Married Margaret. One problem with this is that I have not added Joseph Dicks to this Line. I probably should, but I’m only partially convinced that his is a son of Christopher Dicks.

This could explain why Esther has so many matches to other Dicks descendants.

Here is the Dicks Matrix I get for William:

William is at the top, but I don’t see that he clearly matches any of the groups more than the groups match themselves. As Norma pointed out to me, William matches Esther the best followed by Anne and Brenda. I do notice that William also matches DIddie pretty well. Based on my last Blog on Brenda, a common ancestor could be Dicks and Crann. I also wonder about the Collins name as the common Crann Ancestor from England had a wife named Collens.

Here is the tree I’m pulling the results from. This is just a tree of Dicks descendants who have had their DNA tested (noted by the green boxes):

Esther and Anne are one generation up on most others except for Nelson in the Adams Line. Given that fact, and that William has good matches with Diddie and Brenda, I would tend to put William’s DNA match in with the Crann Line on the right. For William to have such a good match with Brenda who is two generations down from Esther and Anne seems significant to me.  Looking at Triangulation Groups may clarify things.

Getting More Specific With Triangulation Groups (TGs)

Triangulation Groups are when three or more people all match each other in three ways on the same segment of DNA. When this happens, those three people are supposed to have a unique common ancestor. In practice, it is difficult to narrow this down to one common ancestor, but often a common ancestral couple can be found.

This is not my favorite step as it involves comparing 31 people’s DNA with each other. Also I have to change all the names for privacy.

First, the Crann Test

In my previous Blog, I looked at four additional people. Three had Crann ancestry, but no specific Newfoundland ancestry. One person had Crann ancestry and Newfoundland ancestry, but no known Dicks ancestry.

Equally Confused and Illuminated

This is the Matrix I should have produced in my previous Blog:

In the bottom right of the matrix, I have a box around the Crann’s from New Zealand. They show to be matching clearly with the Christopher Dicks group. I had thought that it would be more clear that they would be matching with the Crann Group. However, they have a small match with Judy from the Joyce group. Then they match with Molly and Howie who are in both the Joyce and Crann Group. Finally, Heather has a respectable match with Brenda who is only in the Crann Group. Other than that there is an ambiguous match with Kirsten from the Burton group and no matches above 7 cM in the Adams Line descendants.

Richard from Newfoundland with Crann Ancestry But Not Dicks

Richard has Crann Ancestry, but not Dicks. That means his match with Cheryl is likely on a non-Crann non-Dicks Line. Richard matches William and others by a greater amount than he matches the New Zealand Crann descendants. That tells me he is matching these people on multiple lines. William matches the three New Zealand Crann descendants at levels right around the threshold of 7 cM. William matches Richard at 132 cM so must have other matches with Richard outside of the Crann and Dicks Lines. Hmm….

Triangulating Between the Dicks, Cranns, and Richard

Hey, why not? Let’s find out what happens.

TG01 With Richard

Richard is in the mix for quality control and for his Crann ancestry:

Normally, if I saw Anne, Randy and Forrest in a TG, I would assume that this would be a Dicks TG. However, I am told that Richard has no Dicks ancestry.  Here is Richard’s paternal Newfoundland side:

It seems like there could be room for some DIcks, but there are no Dicks in Richard’s known genealogy.

TG01 with William

Based on known genealogies, this TG probably represents a Dicks common ancestor going back to Christopher Dicks who was born 1784 or his wife Margaret.

TG03 with William

The DNA is telling me that William, Diddie, Sandi and Wallace have a common ancestor. However, I’m a little confused as to who that may be. It may be a Dicks as all these people have Dicks ancestors. However, it seems like there could be other possibilities.

Summary of William’s TGs

Rather than boringly going through each of William’s TGs, I will summarize them. There are quite a few:

  • Even though the TGs may not be based on Dicks ancestry, I have set up the headings for the different Dicks branches.
  • TGs that have Richard in them probably don’t include Dicks ancestry – though we are not totally certain of that. They are in salmon color
  • TGs with Elaine or Joan have to be on Esther’s paternal side.
  • William was in one TG with New Zealand Cranns.
  • I added up the people in William’s TGs at the bottom. The numbers seem to favor William coming from the Christopher Group that has Esther and Anne in it.

Is Esther Dicks from the Christopher Dicks Line?

I have Esther Dicks being born 1854. That would seem to fit the tree I have, but it would fit in other branches also:

I would go with Esther being in this branch of the Dicks, and wait to see if more information comes in to prove this or disprove it.

A Double TG for Esther – Chromosome 11

I wanted to mention an interesting double TG for Esther:

The question is, “How can Esther be in two overlapping TGs at the same time?” The answer is that one TG has to be on her maternal side and one has to be on the paternal side. Esther, like everyone else, has a full set of paternal and maternal chromosomes. The first TG is with Joan and Edward. I have mentioned that Joan only matches Esther on her paternal side. The next TG is with William, Anne and Richard. My assumption is that Richard has no Dicks ancestors. That means that William, Richard and Anne must share a non-Dicks ancestor on Esther’s maternal side. Here is Esther’s maternal side:

The matches are not large, so my guess is that the common ancestor goes back to the 1700’s. That would likely be in the last row of people. There are 4 people out of 16 possible in that row. There are only three surnames: Emberley, Tibbo and Dicks. We have ruled out Dicks for now. However, we could bring up Shave (or Sheave) and Kirby to that row. Also Griffith.

Summary and Conclusions

  • As requested, I looked at how William matched my wife’s relatives and some other people (mostly Dicks descendants) who I had been looking at.
  • I got a bit side-tracked by issues that I was already considering.
  • It helped that I included Cranns from New Zealand and Richard who had no known Dicks ancestry as a control.
  • Knowing that my mother-in-law and her sister only match their Aunt Esther on the paternal side aslo narrows down some DNA matching options.
  • William probably matches a lot of people with Newfoundland heritage, which makes DNA analysis difficult.
  • Based on my Dicks DNA project, William appears to match people from the Christopher Dicks Line more than others. This is after accounting for the fact that two of the people in that group are one generation closer to a common ancestor than most in the Project. This also accounts for the fact that there are some non-Dicks TGs included in that group.
  • I looked at a special case for my mother-in-law’s Aunt Esther where she was in two TGs at the same place on a Chromosome and explained how this could happen.


Brenda’s DNA from the Dicks Family of Harbour Buffett

Brenda came up as a new match recently at She is a good match to my mother-in-law Joan at 9th on Joan’s match list. Brenda tells me her great great-grandfather Samuel Dicks was from Harbour Buffett where my mother-in-law Joan’s maternal grandfather came from.

Joan’s and Brenda’s Genealogy

It would make sense, then, if Joan and Brenda connected on the Dicks Line.

Here is Joan’s maternal side tree:

Joan’s 2nd great grandfather was Christopher Dicks. He married an Elizabeth. I have theorized that this Elizabeth could have been a Crann. This complicates matters, as I have this tree for Brenda’s paternal side:

This shows that Brenda’s great-grandmother was a Crann. This is pretty normal for Newfoundland genealogy. I’ll try to connect Brenda and Joan by the Dicks family and see if there is a possible Crann connection also.

Joan’s 1/2 Aunt Esther

I have also tested Joan’s 1/2 Aunt Esther. Joan and Esther match on Esther’s dad’s side but not on Esther’s mom’s side:

I’ve circled some places where Brenda and Esther could match. Notice that Esther also has a Dicks on her maternal side. Joan doesn’t match Esther on her maternal side, but if we went back far enough could match somehow with this Dicks Line also.

More on Brenda’s Genealogy

My tree for Brenda has that Samuel Dicks married a Julia. Here is the 1935 Census:

This does not state, but seems to imply that Julia is Stanley’s mother. She would have been about 44 at the time of Stanley’s birth. If Julia’s age is right, she would have been born about 1857. Here is a marriage record for Flat Island:

This shows a Samuel Dicks marrying an Eliza Joyce who was 16-1/2. That would put her birth at 1857. Many online trees show that Samuel Dicks married Julia Rodway.

Here is the birth of Albert George Dicks:

This shows that Albert’s mother was Julia, but doesn’t give Julia’s last name. It is possible that Eliza died and Samuel remarried Julia. This record would support that:


Here a Samuel was born to Eliza and Samuel Dicks in 1877. Here is Samuel’s marriage to Juila Rodway:

Samuel Dicks Father Was?

All the trees I found on Ancestry support the following:

So I’ll go with that. Note yet another Crann in the line. This brings me up to the Dicks DNA Project that I have been working on.

The Dicks DNA Project

Here is part of the tree of the people descending from Christopher Dicks who have had their DNA tested:

The Robert Dicks/Crann Line is on the right. Joan and Esther descend from a brother of Robert named Christopher and go off the above image to the left.

Here is Brenda added to the Robert Dicks/Crann Line:

Brenda is 4th cousins to everyone on her level. She is third cousin once removed to Kenneth Albert and Diddie and 4th cousin once removed to Sandi. One issue is that this DNA tree does not match exactly with the tree I just made.

However, I just used someone else’s tree to get the above tree. William Henry matches on both trees. Also Priscilla and Samuel are on both trees. I don’t see John and Rebecca Dicks on the Ancestry tree.

Looking at the DNA Matches

First, I’ll compare all the descendants of Christopher Dicks born about 1784 to each other. Theoretically the DNA will sort out to these five different lines:

The green boxes represent those who have had their DNA tested. I say the DNA theoretically sorts out. However, some people are in more than one line, and some people are related on other family lines such as the Crann family that I have mentioned. Further, the DNA can get a bit fickle.

These are all the comparisons, though I may have missed a few. The way it is supposed to work is that the brighter colors would be within the outlined boxes. This worked for the Adams, Christopher and Joyce Lines. Not so well for Frances and Robert Dicks.

Dicks Triangulation Groups (TGs) and Brenda

Next, I look at Triangulation Groups. These are groups of three people or more that match each other on the same segment of Chromosome. This is supposed to indicate a common ancestor. To simplify things, I’ll concentrate on the TGs that Brenda is in.


This TG is made up of Forrest, Brenda, Joan and Esther.

Here is how it would look:

This has the lines going up to Christopher Dicks born 1874. However, I suspect that Esther’s great-grandmother was Elizabeth Crann, so this TG may be from the unproven Crann side on Esther and Joan’s side. Later I hope to bring in some people who are only related on the Crann side to see if I can tease any of this DNA out.

TG03: Brenda, Randy, Forrest and Joan

These are interesting TGs as they are from such far-flung families. These are actually the best TGs. I think of them as having a broad, steady base. Also, like the previous TG, there is a good possibility that the connection could also be on the Crann side.

TG06 – A Simpler Triangulation Group

This TG only includes three people.

The TGs between these two groups tend to confirm my theory that the unknown Elizabeth on Barry’s Line is a Crann.

TG06 – Another Far-Flung TG

In this case, there is not another additional Crann family involved, so this is more likely to be Dicks DNA. This tree is between the Adams Line and the Crann Line of Dicks.

TG07 – On Robert Dicks or Jane Crann

TG08 – Another TG from the Christopher Line

Again, it is possible that this is a Crann DNA match. Another thing is, that I was expecting Brenda to be in the Christopher (born 1812) group as her Dicks ancestor was from Harbour Buffet. It wouldn’t hurt to check the genealogy at some point also.


This TG is from three Lines of Dicks and more likely to be just Dicks DNA.

TG11 – Another Dicks or Crann TG?

I won’t bother putting up the circles and lines. This is another TG with Christopher Dicks descendants Esther, Joan, and Elaine.

An Interesting Possibility for TG16

Here Brenda is in a TG with Brenda, Esther, Molly and Howie. However, Karen matches Esther in the same area of the TG, but isn’t in the TG. My understanding is that Karen matches Esther on Esther’s paternal side – that is, the Upshall/Dicks side. That could mean that this TG represents the Dicks from Esther’s maternal side. I haven’t figured out where the Joseph Dicks Line fits in yet. The Joseph Dicks was also partially a guess based on a suggestion from a Dicks genealogist.

I have Esther’s maternal Dicks going to Joseph Dicks. He was supposed to have been born in 1810 at Famish Gut.

TG16B – Howie, Diddie and Brenda

This should represent the same more recent common ancestors as TG07.

TG18 – Diddie, Nelson, Brenda, and Esther

Apologies to Diddie as she went off the page to the right. This is most likely an older Dicks TG.


This is like TG18, except Nelson is not in this TG and Kenneth is. Kenneth could be in the Burton or Crann Line, so that makes this one confusing.

More on the Cranns

In my analysis above, I was having trouble figuring out often which DNA was Crann and which was Dicks. There is one possible way to determine this. That is to look at things through the Crann side. Here is a tree I have:

This is a Crann tree that I came up with based on, again, guesses, suggestions and DNA. The green line on the right is especially interesting. That is because these two lines are in New Zealand. That means that they have had no intermarriage with Newfoundland people. There is also a Samuel Crann Line. The Jane Crann/Robert Dicks Line is now outdated. Here is an updated tree:

Brenda Has Two Crann Lines

This is if I have my Dicks chart right:

Brenda descends from John Crann twice because Albert George Dicks married Jane Eliza Crann. Jane Eliza also descends from John Crann through Henry William Crann.

Looking at Crann DNA

I have already looked at Crann DNA in the past. At the top of the page, there is a caterogry for Crann Blogs. In a previous Blog, I started with Chromosome 22 as many people matched there. Why not start with the most complicated?

From what I can tell the people in orange or gold are in a Crann TG. Heather, Wayne and Marjorie have no Newfoundland ancestors as they are from New Zealand. Here is how I have it:

The ones in orange have as their common ancestor Henry Crann born 1757 and her wife Elizabeth Collens. Ironically, I haven’t proven this relationship by genealogy. I did show somewhere that there was an Elizabeth Crann who could have married Christopher Dicks. Now Brenda and Richard are not in the TG. Richard is interesting as he is a Crann descendant with no known Dicks ancestry. It looks like the connection between Richard and Brenda would be on the wife of John Crann born 1791. One good thing about genetic genealogy is that very often there are only two choices. We have two of each chromosome, so if it is not one chromosome then it is the other. If Brenda and Richard had Crann DNA at this segment of Chromosome 22, it should have matched with the other Crann DNA. Another interesting point is that Richard matched with Esther from position 17-22M on Chromosome 22. This would technically be Crann DNA as Esther is in the Crann TG at that point. At position 22, Richard’s DNA switched from Crann DNA to John Crann’s wife Elizabeth’s DNA.

TG02 – On to Simpler Things

There is some irony in this TG. Karen was put into the Christopher Dicks Line by DNA and now she is put into the Crann Line by DNA. I won’t bother drawing this out. However, the presence of the people from New Zealand highlighted in green brings the common ancestors back to Netherbury, Dorset, England.

Crann TG04

This is one of those triangles with a very stable base. I suspect that Brenda’s actual path of DNA should be through her great-grandmother Jane Eliza Crann as she is a much closer relative than her third great-grandmother Jane Crann.

Crann TG08 – No Dicks Required

Richard is the only one on the left side of the chart with no Dicks ancestry:

Crann TG10

We generally want a relationship further away than a sibling for a TG. Heather is the one that isn’t a sibling and she makes this a TG:

Molly and Howie are in more than one Dicks Line. This segment of Chromosome 10 identifies which lineage this is.

Crann TG11 – Heather, Esther and Joan

Crann TG18 – Very Similar

Here Elaine fills in for her sister Joan. There is one difference. It appears that Ken, Richard and Barry are in a TG. This looks a lot like TG22:

So if we ever want to figure out who married John Crann born 1791, we may be able to find out through other people that match on these segments of Chromosomes 18 and 22 that didn’t match our New Zealand friends.

Next Painting Joan’s Chromosomes

I have been painting Joan’s chromosomes. Perhaps there is some more painting I could do here. I’m not sure if I should just paint the Dicks DNA or also the Crann. I’ll go for both. Here is where Joan matches Brenda:

However, there is a problem. I have a Crann Tree and a Dicks Tree. If these trees are right, then there may be more of a chance that Brenda would match Joan along Brenda’s two Crann Lines. I guess I’ll skip that for now. Joan’s matches with New Zealand seem more unambiguous, even though I haven’t proven the genealogy.

Here is where Joan and Heather match:

Here is what I have so far for Joan:

In the key, the part below the line is Joan’s maternal side. I have up to Christopher Dicks. I’ll add Crann and Collens with Heather’s matches to Joan:

On Chromosome 8, there is new DNA. On Chromosome 11, the DNA is overlapping with Fred Upshall.

That is not a problem. It is telling me that Joan matches her Upshall grandfather there, but her grandfather got at least that portion of his DNA from Crann or Collens on Chromosome 11.

Adding Anne

Anne is a good match to Joan:

Unfortunately, I left her out of the Crann analysis. Sorry, Anne. I’ll paint her in as Dicks/Crann:

I just included Joan’s maternal side above for clarity. This shows that Joan’s maternal side is 37% painted in.

Others in the Dicks/Crann Line:


I circled that part that was not overlapping with others. Actually Chromosomes 14 and 21 overlap with Fred Upshall’s DNA, but Chromosome 3 is totally new.




Karen is a special case as she was added based on her DNA match more than documented genealogy. She should also have Upshall and Dicks DNA. It looks like I hae already painted Karen to Joan’s DNA. Chromosome 9 is interesting. The fact that Edward matches there tells me that long segment is DNA from Catherine Dicks. That is because Edward matches on the Dicks side.


Wallace is someone else, like Anne, that I forgot.

I think that Wallace is on MyHeritage, so that makes it difficult to compare with others that have uploaded to Gedmatch.

Painting in Christopher Dicks Born 1784 Married Margaret

I’ve got the matches. I might as well paint them onto my mother-in-law’s chromosomes. That will give me a new color.

The Adams, Burton and Joyce Lines

I’ll assume that a match with someone from the Adams Line will have as their common ancestors Christopher Dicks or his wife Margaret.

The first match in the Adams Line is with Sandra:

Sandra showed a new maternal segment on Chromosome 2 for Joan. One Chromosome 11, Sandra shows that the matches above her are from Dicks and not Crann.

Judy is the first that I mapped on Joan’s chromosomes from the Burton Line. Judy seems to have an affinity to Wallace:

The Other Wallace

Next I painted Wallace from Burton Line. I was glad I did because the DNAPainter showed that I had already painted in this Wallace under Upshall Dicks by mistake. There are two Wallace’s: one on the Dicks/Burton Line and one on Joan’s Upshall/Dicks Line. Judy’s affinity to Wallace should have been where Wallace was in Green, not blue.

I corrected my mistake and now have a Wallace L on the Dicks/Burton Line and Wallace C on the Upshall/Dicks Line.

Now that I corrected my mistake, Joan is up to 30% mapped overall and 41% mapped on her maternal side.

One Step Back on the Dicks Line

Then there is the father of Christopher Dicks. I think his name was Christopher Dicks also, but I’m not sure. One tree has him born 1748 and his wife as Susannah. Here he is on top of the Henry and Christopher Dicks Lines:

That means that if Joan matches people on the Henry Dicks Line, one probable set of common ancestors would be Christopher? Dicks born 1748 and Susannah. That added a little to the map:


Summary and Conclusions

  • First I looked at Brenda’s family tree. There are two places where Brenda could match my wife’s family on the Crann Line. There is one place on Brenda’s tree where they could match on the Dicks Line.
  • Next I looked at Triangulation Groups. There were a lot of Triangulation Groups found between the Dicks/Crann Line that Brenda is in and my wife’s family’s Christopher Dicks Line. Based on DNA, I suspect that Christopher Dicks born 1812 married Elizabeth Crann.
  • Next I looked at trees from a Crann perspective. The advantage of this was that there were Crann descendants in that group that did not have Dicks ancestry. Matches with them would be on the Crann side. The down side was that I did not look at other people outside those I suspected of having Crann ancestry. I also note that the common ancestors from Dorset, England also had a Collens name. I don’t know if this Collens is the same as the Collins from Newfoundland.
  • Finally I looked at DNA Painting for my mother-in-law Joan. By painting the matches it was also possible to separate some lines where the DNA could be from one common ancestor or the ancestor’s wife. I was also able to correct a previous DNAPainting error that I had made.
  • This exercise helped me to re-start the DIcks DNA Project and update it.