Recently, while looking for another match, I saw that my sister Sharon had a potential Frazer common ancestry with a DNA match:
My job is to evaluate the connection to see if it is likely or not.
The Philip Frazer line is important to me as I believe that I descend from Philip Frazer. I can’t prove it, but by naming patterns and process of elimination, I have come to believe that as the best Frazer genealogical theory.
I have built a Philip Frazer DNA tree:
It looks like I cut a bit off of the tree:
Basically, there were two Frazer brothers from County Roscommon. They were Archibald and James. The lived in the 1700’s. I descend from the elder brother Archibald. Actually I descend from both, but more directly from the Archibald Line. Archibald is believed to have had four sons: John, Philip, Richard, and Archibald. As mentioned, I think I descend from Philip.
I see that my sister Sharon’s DNA match David supposedly descends from Philip and George James Frazer. I am asked to evaluate George James. That means that even though he is on my DNA tree, he must not be in the Ancestry Tree. This is what my tree shows:
I also am missing a birth and death date for Philip Frazer son of Philip Frazer. One problem is this document:
This shows one Philip being married twice or perhaps two Philips marrying. I assume that the first Philip is the elder Philip marrying for a second time and the second marriage is for the son Philip marrying. Assuming that to be the case, I should change my tree. Of course the younger Philip could have married Jane Johnston first and the elder could have married Mary Taylor second. I see from my tree above, that the younger Philip’s first daughter appears to be Jane Frazer and she could have been named for her mother Jane Johnston. However, the first daughter should have been named for the mother’s mother which I do not think is known. I’ll just switch my tree to have the younger Philip married to Mary Taylor.
Now I have this situation:
Assuming the elder Philip was still alive, and that the younger Philip was either not very young when he married or was older than I think, I’ll say the elder Philip married Jane Johnston as his second wife and had Jane Frazer as a daughter.
Now I need to put Philip Frazer and Mary Taylor as being born around 1800.
Now it would make sense if Philip had a son named George James as his two brothers had those names (assuming my tree is right). I see that I have a Blog that mentions George James Frazer from 2020.
In that Blog, Sharon had a match with LS. I see that LS also appears as a shared match between Sharon and David. I think that if I can validate David’s tree back to George James Frazer, I should be all set. Here is David’s tree:
Here is the photo David has of George James Frazer:
If my Frazer DNA tree is correct, he should be the first cousin of George William Frazer, my 2nd great-grandfather.
Of course, I am not very sure how much I look like my first cousins. At least his tie looks the same! My relative in Ireland said someone scribbled on my 2nd great-grandfather’s face. So that doesn’t help either.
My 2nd great-grandfather George William Frazer was born about 1838 and his first cousin George James Frazer was born in 1841. They both appear to be named for their Uncle George Frazer who died in 1831.
Evaluating David’s Tree
I like the chances of David linking up, so I will put him into my tree as a floating tree. That means not connected to my major tree. If I agree with Ancestry’s proposed common ancestor for us, then I will connect the two trees. I also find it encouraging that David’s tree has George James Frazer born in Sligo, Ireland:
David’s father should be easy to find as he was born in 1929 in the US. Here is the 1940 Census with David’s father and grandfather:
David’s grandfather was an accountant with an insurance business.
James Alexander Fraser, Sr.
Here is William in the 1881 Census for Woodstock, Ontario:
Unfortunately, the father’s initials only are given. They should be G.J. for George James but are transcribed as G.B. In 1891, the father is more clearly G.J.:
G.J. works at the inland home? office:
According to AI:
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- Inland Revenue Officer: Government officials responsible for collecting excise duties, inspecting distilleries, and regulating weights and measures.
William’s birth record gives better information about his parents:
This gets me as far as David’s tree:
Philip Fraser in green above has a proposed birth date of 1815. That does not fit in well assuming that Philip married in 1822.
George’s birth date is given on a civil service list:
I believe that George was baptized in the Kilmactranny Parish in Sligo as that church is missing about a 10 year period of records from 1842 going back about 10 years. The 1881 Census shows that Philip was likely the first son of George James. By tradition, this could mean that George’s father was also Philip.
Here is George in 1861:
The fact that the name George is passed down seems to support this family structure:
However, I do not know where my 2nd great-grandfather got his middle name William from. Was there another brother named William or was this name from the mother’s side? There was supposedly a William who was the son of John Frazer (the elder Philip’s brother) who went to the US.
Connecting George James Frazer to My Ancestry Tree
I put George James’ father as Philip Frazer born about 1800. This also shows in my sister Sharon’s ThruLines now:
It looks like I have not attached Ann to Philip in my tree, so I need to do that also.
Updating My Frazer DNA Tree
It looks like I just need to add David:
One interesting thing about David is that he is a generation up from my other matches on the Philip Line. That means that he is my fourth cousin once removed rather than a 5th cousin.
Clustering Sharon and David
I created a custom cluster between Sharon and David and looked for mathes between 20 and 100 cM.
The first cluster had only three DNA matches:
Geraldine has no tree at Ancestry. Based on shared matches, Geraldine is LS’ half sister or Aunt.
Here is the next Cluster:
We already know about Geraldine, LS, and David. I am interested in YK. YK”s maternal side goes to Ramsey or Ramsay from Canada:
Just looking at the Cluster above, I see that LS and David are from the Philip . However, MY at the bottom of the cluster is also and probably Geraldine and YK at the top.
From memory, MY is actually Richard or Barry. But where is Jeanette? Perhaps she was a match to someone else, or matches at less than the 20 cM required to be in the cluster.
I was hoping that the Cluster would mirror what I have on my Philip Line DNA Tree:
Where:
- Green is Philip to Philip
- Yellow is Philip to James (and Violet Frazer) to Richard Frazer
- Periwincle is Philip to James and Violet Frazer to James Archibald Frazer (my second great-grandfather)
However, in the second cluster above, I don’t see anyone from the yellow group. Perhaps I will make a guess why later.
It is interesting that Keith is in the Cluster as he is related on the McMaster side:
However, Fanny’s mother was also a Frazer from a different line. So it gets complicated. This could be the reason that the Richard Frazer Line is not included in the cluster. Or it could be that that the elder Philip married a McMaster which would put more McMasters in the Cluster to match. I’m not sure.
So in the Cluster above, I have accounted for two lines but not the Richard Frazer line. Also there are some that I do not know for sure how they fit in:
- Shelly
- Diane
- Charles, and
- Tim
The Final Cluster
This cluster is similar to the previous one with a large defineable James Archibald Frazer cluster. It seems like more could be done with these clusters as far as trying to track down the genealogy of the matches, but I am done for now.
More on Sharon’s Philip Frazer DNA
Sharon seems to be my only sibling tested at Ancestry who has a good match showing common ancestors with Philip Frazer of the 1700’s. Here is Sharon’s DNA Painter Profile:
Sharon has matches with Barry on the right side of her Chromosomes 14 and 15.
Here is Sharon’s DNA mapped out for Chromosome 14 mapped out with all her siblings:
Jim has all Chromosome 14 as Frazer, but he did not test at Ancestry. Sharon’s match numbers are here:
They are roughly 79-96 million. It looks like Lori should have Frazer DNA up to 96 also. So I wonder why Lori does not show as a match to David at Ancestry.
Here is Chromosome 15:
Here Sharon has a full dose of paternal Frazer DNA. Jim has nearly a full dose of Frazer DNA on his paternal side.
Sharon at Gedmatch
Barry is at Gedmatch and Raymond is a shared match between Sharon and Barry:
I will map that onto Sharon’s map. Here is Raymond:
Raymond also identifies part of Sharon X Chromosome:
The blue paternal first match is from Raymond’s sister. The second one is from Raymond. I have identified this DNA as from Margaret Mcmaster due to the way the X Chromosome is inherited.
Sharon got an X Chromosome from her dad. He got it from his Frazer Grandmother. She got her X Chromosome from her father James Archibald Frazer and he got one X Chromosome from his mother Margaret McMaster.
Summary and Conclusions
- David was a good match who appears to connect with my 1700’s ancestor Philip Frazer
- I looked at clusters between my sister Sharon and David
- Those clusters showed a small Philip Line cluster and a cluster from my 2nd great-grandfather’s line.
- I was a little surprised there was not more of a cluster from the Richard Frazer line. He was the brother of my 2nd great-grandfather George William Frazer.
- More work could be done with working on the geneaolgies of some of the unidentified matches in the David/Sharon Cluster.
- I made some guesses why there was not a Richard Frazer Cluster.My ancestor George married Margaret McMcaster. Someone in David’s Philip line may have married a McMaster. In addition, Margaret’s mother was Fanny McMaster. Fanny’s mother was a Frazer. This could account for the George Cluster and lack of a Richard Cluster.
- I was also able to improve my FrazerTree at Ancestry.




















































































































































































































































































































































































