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My Family’s Parker ThruLines at Ancestry

I recently wrote a Blog on my Hatch ThruLines. I thought that I would write another on my family’s Parker ThruLines.

My 4th great-grandfather Isaac Parker married Prudence Hatch, so I am following a theme.

My Parker ThruLines

I show three matches to descendants of William Henry Parker. Our common ancestors would be Isaac Parker and Prudence Hatch. For some reason, I match td by DNA more closely than James or Barbar.

Joel and td

I’ll start with td. His tree is pretty good:

I notice he has the Davis family also. However, td has this family being from Ireland, so apparently not the same Davis family that my ancestor William Parker married. It should be easy to trace td’s ancestry.

I’ll make my own tree. Here is the Parker family in Boston in 1930:

For some reason, the father was not with the family in 1930. The birth record for William Jr. shows that his father was a leather salesman. The marriage record for William Sr., shows that his father was another William H. Parker:

In 1900 this family was living in Boston:

Ancestry suggests that the next generation had a Robert Dean Parker. However, td’s tree shows a Pardon C. Parker which sounds like a better choice to me. td has Pardon in Boston as a barber in 1870:

I do recall seeing this record in the past. This 1865 Charlestown birth record clears things up:

This shows that Ancestry hints are not always right. This gets us back to Nantucket (the birthplace of Pardon). It looks like I duplicated a little effort, as my Hartley tree already had down to this William Henry:

The connection has been made, so I can start my Parker DNA/Genealogy Chart.

Parker DNA/Genealogy Chart

It seems like my ThruLines are changing as I am writing this Blog:

Here are the other three matches:

Notice that there is a William Henry Parker boron 1886 and a William H Parker born 1889. I think I see what happened, but will need to check.

Joel and James

Here is what James has for his tree:

Remember the Robert Dean Parker hint that I didn’t take above? He shows up in James tree. Let’s see if that is right. It is also interesting that William Henry Parker Jr. marries a Grace M Parker. James has the family in Wareham in 1930:

William H is doing odd jobs as a laborer. This is what James has for the 1920 Census:

It appears that 7 children were born between 1920 and 1930. Also William and Grace appear to have had a son in the 1920 Census named Paul that I do not see in the 1930 Census. From these two sources, William H. Parker should have been born between about 1887 and 1889.

This appears to be William’s birth record in 1886 in Wareham:

His father shows as being born in Fairhaven and his mother (Elizabeth V Bumpus) in Wareham. All this seems to be steering me away from the ThruLines on this side.

Joyce’s Parker ThruLines

Joyce is my father’s 1st cousin:

Joyce shows the two William H Parkers. I already have Lindsay in my yellow Parker Chart. Next I’ll look at Linda. The family tree that Linda posted on Ancestry goes back to the Bumpus Line that I looked at above:

Here is some information on William Betts:

The 1905 Brockton marriage record for Clifford and Annie shows that Annies mother was a Bumpus:

When I check other family ThruLines, they seem to be a combination of the ThruLines from my yellow chart above and other Parker families.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I set out to look at my familiy’s Parker ThruLines
  • Only one family went back to common ancestors of Isaac Parker and Prudence Hatch
  • That family was td, his daughter Lindsay and his sister Barbara
  • There is confusion in the Parker family genealogy as it is a fairly common name and there are two families with the name of William Henry Parker in Massachusetts.

 

 

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My Family’s Connections with the Colonial Hatch Family

I remember Lincoln in High School. I think he was a year ahead of me and grew up in the same small town that I did. He is not a match to me, but he matches my sister Heidi and my brother Jon:

The proposed common ancestor between Lincoln and Heidi goes back to colonial Massachusetts. It would be interesting to see if this connection makes sense.

Hatch ThruLines

I see that I have one connection going back to Nathaniel:

These matches are interesting and at the far end of where Ancestry does common ancestors – at the 6th cousin level.

I have tested my father’s 1st cousin Joyce and she has one Hatch connection:

It looks like Nathaniel could have had a large family. Here is his marriage record:

It looks like this couple had eight children:

So far we have seen Druzilla, Isaiah and Prudence in potential DNA match lines. One interesting thing is that there appear to be a Nathaniel and a Nathaneal baptized in Falmouth, MA in the 1740’s. Was the 1742 Nathaniel illegitimate?

Also, is Bethia the same of Bashaway in the Falmouth marriage records?

Another of my father’s cousins has tested at Ancestry. He matches Priscilla on the Nathaniel Hatch Line:

Here Isaiah Hatch is in green because MM is from my second cousin Holly and she must not have Isaiah in her tree.

My sister Heidi shows a match to Bridget who descends from Rebecca Hatch:

My brother Jon, mentioned earlier has three DNA matches with Hatch descendants:

The evidence of DNA matches is rising.

My sister Lori matches Susan like I do:

However, Lori matches her a bit less than I do: 7 cM vs. my 12 cM match.

Finally my sister Sharon:

Sharon, like Jon and Heidi, matches Bridget.

Are All These Connections as Shown?

Genetic experts tend to point out that it is often difficult to prove that from 7 generations out, the actual DNA from Nathaniel Hatch (or his wife Olive Bearse) is the DNA that you match with. In order to show this, you would need to build out your tree and the match’s tree for 7 generations and eliminate all other possibilities. However, I am not going to do that. I will just look at the matches to see if the genealogy supports their descent from Nathaniel and Olive. Then my goal is to build my own composite tree with descendants.

Lincoln’s Genealogy

This is what Lincoln has:

I am thinking that the Lincoln that I knew could have been in the second private. But that is OK. If that is the case, then I wouldn’t be related to the Lincoln I knew but from the mother of his son. OK. Note that this tree does not show the mother of the son. Somehow, Ancestry was able to figure that out. However, the son’s mother was born in 1924, so maybe the son was the one I knew. I’ll build my own tree to try to figure it out.

I think I see the issue already. For some reason, the tree that Lincoln’s mother is taken from shows this:

Pehaps Lincoln entered his tree incorrectly. I found an obituary record that shows Lincoln as the daughter of Helena, so this appears to be correct. All this to say that I should be realted to the Lincoln I knew through his mother. I have put a message in to Lincoln to make sure.

Here is Helena in 1930 in Dartmouth, MA:

I see that her brother was quite a bit older.

Here is Carrie’s marriage record:

I am quickly building out the Lincoln’s tree:

According to the initial tree for Lincoln, Helen Gardner should be Helena Sawyer. We see this to be the case from Carrie’s marriage record:

It looks like we are abut halfway there:

Here is Helena or Helen in 1860 in New Bedford:

Next, we are looking for Stephen Sawyer’s mother.

According to findagrave.com:

They have Stephen’s mother as Olive Hatch Potter. Seeing the Hatch in her name makes me think we are on the right track. Olive dies in Medford, MA in 1898:

The same record gives the parents of Olive:

Olive’s father was from Westport and her mother, Druzilla Hatch, was from Falmouth.

The final step is to get Druzilla or Drusilla back to Nathaniel Hatch, Jr. It turns out that I already have Druzilla in my Hartley Tree:

For some reason, Drusilla went by Dilley in the New Bedford Marriage records:

In the 1850 Census for New Bedford, we see that Drucilla was a ship captain’s wife:

Starting My Hatch DNA/Genealogy Tree

I believe that I have proven the genealogical connection. There is also a DNA connection, but I have not proved that the DNA match is definitetively from the Hatch/Bearse Line. While my line came to Rochester in the 1800’s, Lincoln’s came to the same Town in the 1900’s. I hope to further expand this tree.

My Match Susan

According to Ancestry, I should look at Susan’s maternal side. Here is the tree Susan has:

The tree matches what Ancestry has up to Susan’s grandmother Anna M Dowd:

The Findagrave site is helpful again with Anna Dowd:

Susan’s maternal grandmother was buried in Wareham which is the next Town from where I live. This is my tree for Susan so far:

Ancestry thinks that Lillies is a Hillman, so I need to confirm this. Someone at Ancestry made this easy with an obituary from the Wareham Courier:

Next I am looking for Robert Hillman’s mother who is supposed to be a Hatch. From Robert’s marriage record, I see that his mother was Tabitha. This transcription identifies Tabitha’s last name:

Tabitha’s death record gives her parents as Isaiah and Lucy:

Here is a portion of my tree for Susan:

I already have Isaiah in my Hartley Tree.

Widening My Hatch DNA/Genealogy Chart

Heidi and Bridget

I’ll stay on my sibling Hatch DNA matches for now.

Here is the line I am trying to look into. Interestingly, I also have some Parkers in my ancestry, so that is something to consider.

Here is the Barstow family in 1950 living in Falmouth, MA:

By the Ancestry Tree above, I am thinking that Miriam’s last name was Allen. According to Social Security, that is right:

In 1920, The Allen family was living on Summer Street in New Bedford:

The father, Arthur, was a bank teller:

The couple married in 1912 in New Bedford:

Here is my tree:

This suggests that Rebecca Hatch married Sylvanus Parker. This is interesting because my ancestor Prudence who was Rebecca’s sister married Isaac Parker.

Here is the 1850 Census for Falmouth:

John was a ship carpenter.

Who Were the Parents of John H Parker?

According to the NEGHR Vol. 114:

From this, it appears that this Rebecca was different from the one in my tree. That also means that I need to correct my tree:

The implications:

  • There appears to have been two Rebecca Hatch’s living around this time
  • It is possible that the reference to John Hatch Parker’s mother being the daughter of Isaiah and Lucy Hatch could be wrong, but it seems to be the best information to go on at this time.
  • Until I find more information, I will not add Bridget as being descended from Nathaniel Hatch, Jr.
  • The DNA my family shares could still be from the Parker or Hatch side, or some other colonial Massachusetts Line.

Joyce and KC

I have already done one Drusilla Line:

 

Here is KC’s tree:

I’m guessing that this tree should end with Drusilla Hatch. I’ll just double check KC’s tree to make sure it makes sense. Here is what I have so far:

Arthur was born in New Bedford, MA and died in Los Angeles. However, I need to next find out who has mother Clara was.

Findagrave strongly suggests that she was a Sawyer:

Interestingly, her father was Stephen Potter Sawyer. So that matches up with my previous yellow Hatch DNA/Genealogy Chart. I need go no further. Here is the new Chart:

This is good as we like to see branching other than just at the top level. I need to also add in Joyce:

Here we see that Joyce and KC are 5th cousins. But Ancestry has them as 5th cousins once removed. That means I missed someone in KC’s Line:

It takes a while to get things right, but double-checking helps. This is a long while for autosomal DNA to survive, but apparently there were a lot of Hatch descendants, so the odds were in their favor.

Maury and Priscilla

According to AncestryDNA, Maury and Priscilla should be 5th cousins:

I don’t have anyone on the Isaiah Branch yet, so let’s build another tr. Mee for Priscilla. Mabel’s paternal side tree is here:

Mabel’s tree stops at her great-grandmother Mabel Hatch. Here is the Albert Jordan Family in Somerville in 1920:

Albert was a barrel dealer.

Here is an 1894 marriage record for Albert:

This record is thorough enough to give his mother’s maiden name as Mabel P Hatch. Mabel’s wedding record from Sandwich gives the first names of her parents:

So many Hatches!

The 1850 Census for Sandwich shows that Isaiah was from Ireland:

The 1860 Census appears to correct the previous one:

The ditto marks refer to Massachusetts. The Somerville death record for Isaiah gives his father’s name as Isaiah – so he was apparently not the son of Nathaniel:

Jon and Gramps

If Ancestry has this right, gramps is Lincoln’s 1st  cousin once removed. I may not need to make a tree for gramps. The only confustion is that I show a Henry Gardner where gramps shows a Hervey. Here is Hervey’s WWII Draft Card:

Here is my new Hatch Chart:

I corrected Hervery’s sister Carrie as I had her as a Sawyer instead of a Gardner.

Summary and Conclusions

  • Looking at the ThruLines has advanced my knowledge of some of the Hatch family descendants in the range of 6th cousins to my family
  • I looked at the genealogies of 6 descendants of Nathaniel Hatch Jr. who was born in 1747 according to some Ancestry trees.
  • I found that four of those lines from Ancestry’s ThruLines were accurate
  • I made a DNA/genealogical Chart for the Hatch Family. These are lines that I have looked at and they either match my siblings or my father’s first cousins.
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My Family’s Really Old Nicholson ThruLines

I recently noticed that my brother Jon had a new ThruLine with an old Nicholson Ancestor:

This shows that Jon may be 6th cousin to KW and new match Derek. This is interesting as it goes one generation beyond my current Nicholson DNA/Genealogy Chart:

One question would be whether Hephzibah was the sister of my ancestor John Nicholson born in 1766:

I do have that John’s father John married a Hephzibah.

Hephzibah Nicholson Born About 1761

The main source cited by the ThruLines is a Habershon Tree at Ancestry:

Of special interest to me are the sources. Here is one:

This record says that there was a Hephzibah Nicholson who married a Thomas Habbershon in 1782.

Here is the tree from KW who matches some in my family:

KW also shows Hephzibah Nicholson in his tree. Even though I find no further record other than the transcription of the marriage between Hephzibah Nicholson and Thomas Habbershon, I am tempted to think that the Ancestry connection is correct.

Here is a non-conformist record for a birth:

This is from Attercliffe Zion Chapel for the birth of a Mercy Habershon daughter of Thomas Habershon, butcher and Hephzibah his wife. Here is Attercliffe at the top right of a current map:

I also have this on my Nicholson Web Page:

This has Samuel Wadsworth born in Attercliff in 1756. It looks like there was room for a Hephzibah to be born in 1761 or so. I mention a book also in my web page called Reminiscences of Old Sheffield, 1875. Here is an excerpt on John Nicholson of Darnell:

This John of Darnall married a Wadsworth so would have been arguably the father of Hephzibah. She married a butcher in Attercliffe. Although the reminiscence is sketchy above, it appears that this couple must be Thomas Habbershon and Hephzibah Nicholson.

Expanding My Nicholson DNA/Genealogy Chart

It seems clear to me that Hephzibah Nicholson – named for her mother Hepphzibah Wadsworth was the daughter of John Nicholson of Darnall. Here is Darnall to the South of Attercliffe:

We see in the same 1875 account that John of Darnall moved to Sheffield:

Here is Broad Street in Sheffield today:

Here is the start of my updated Chart:

It now consists of two lines down from John of Darnall. Hephzibah had Joseph according to the ThruLines, but the records for him are sketchy.

Joseph Habershon

There are at least three trees showing Joseph as the son of Thomas Habershon and Hephzibah Nicholson. Here is the main record shown for Joseph:

Here Joseph is a butcher which makes sense as Thomas Habershon was. However, the parents are not mentioned. Here is the 1825 Directory of Sheffield:

This appears to be the same Joseph – a butcher. My feeling is that the tree of DNA match KW is correct:

Derek’s Tree

The other Nicholson match is Derek. His tree only goes back as far as Maria Habershon:

Let’s do a quick tree for Derek. Here is Derek’s grandfather’s marriage record:

Kellington looks closer to Leeds than to Sheffield:

Here is the family in 1861 where we see that the mother Maria was from Sheffield:

This gets us to the level of Derek’s tree:

Here is a clue from Ancestry:

This appears to be Maria in the 1841 Census;

Cudworth is between Sheffield and Leeds:

The 1871 Census shows that Maria was born in Attercliffe:

Maria named her son Joseph Habershon Papworth:

That is a good enough link to the Habershon family foro me.

Here is the connection:

I had previously thought that Nigel had a wildly old connection to our family. KW and Derek have an even older connection. They are 5th cousins once removed to my mother.

Summary and Conclusions

  • When I saw that my brother Jon had a match and ThruLines with new match Derek, I thought that would make for an easy Blog
  • The Blog was not so easy as the connection was so old – to the 1700’s
  • By adding these two new DNA matches, I can see that Hephzibah Nicholson was a real person – liikely named for her mother Hephzibah Wadsworth.
  • The genealogy and DNA match was corroborated by an 1875 publication called Reminiscences of Old Sheffield. This publication had a section on the Nicholsons. This reminiscence recalled the beautiful daughters of John Nicholson of Darnell. One of them married a person who became a butcher. This was most likely Thomas Habershon who married Hephzibah Nicholson
  • It is great to see that the DNA supports the genealogy which is in turn supported by an 1875 “Reminscence”.

 

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A New Frazer BigY Test Completed

I am descended from Frazers from North Roscommon County, Ireland on my paternal grandmother’s side. I have tested a Frazer cousin to get Frazer YDNA results. Similarly, Mansoor has used his maternal Uncle by last name of Barker to take a BigY test to get his Frazer results. Mansoor’s goal is to find the identity of his grandfather Thomas’ true father. Autosomal testing of Mr. Barker already showed that he was related to a branch of the Frazers even though his last name is not Frazer.

Barker’s BigY Results

These results were not what I had expected, but they are very interesting. I had thought that Barker’s result (shown as ‘your branch’) would help to identify clarify Dingman’s results. However, what Barker’s results have done so far is split the James Frazer Branch where Rodney and Jonathan are.

The Archibald and James Frazer Lines

Genealogical evidence shows that there were two male head of household Frazers named Archibald and James living in North Roscommon in 1749.

Their father believed to be another Archibald Frazer has died by this time as indicated by the enumeration of Mary Frazer, ‘widdow’. From this all Frazer genealogy starts with two Frazer Lines: Archibald and James. Here is an image I have from a previous Blog. These are the lines of those who had previously taken the BigY test including their YDNA Branch names:

Previoiusly Rodney and Jonathan were in the Y151390 Branch which was the only known branch of the James Line at the time. Barker’s BigY results have pushed Rodney and Jonathan down a level on the YDNA tree to FT421607 as seen on the Block tree above and in the next image.

A New Genealogy/YDNA Tree

Here is my revised tree:

 

  • All 6 testers come under FT421618.
  • It appears that all testers genealogically come under Archibald Frazer born about 1690. Therefore, it must follow that this Archibald Frazer was FT421618 and passed that down to all his Irish Frazer descendants.
  • Dingman is also FT421618 with no further distinction. This chart had that he descends from John Frazer born 1775. I had previously wondered if he possibly had descended from John’s brother Richard or from the James Line. However Barker’s new testing makes it seem more likely from purely YDNA testing that Dingman is on the Archibald Line
  • I have the new Y151390 between James born 1720 and Archibald born 1751. There is no way right now to know who was the first to have this SNP. It may also be Archibald Frazer born 1792.
  • If Dingman was from the James Line, then James could not be the one to first have Y151390, but it seems for now that Dingman is in the right Frazer Line.
  • We know that Rodney and Jonathan both have FT421607. Therefore, Thomas Henry Frazer must have that SNP. However, we do not know if he was the first in that Line to have that SNP.
  •  We don’t know the genealogy for Barker. However, we know that he did not descend from Thomas Henry Frazer. That means that Barker descended from either Archibald Frazer born 1792, Archibald Frazer born 1751 or James Frazer born 1720.

Some More BigY Detail

In order for Barker to have split the previous SNP Block, he must be positive for Y151390 and negative for FT421607. In some ways, the negative results are more important:

This is Barker’s test results showing that for every read that the location of FT421607 there was no mutation. That means that Barker is negative for FT421607.

This shows the results for the new SNP that Barker is in:

A mutation from C to T puts Barker as Y151390.

As a new branch has formed, FTDNA will likely perform a manual review.

Also, Y151390  and FT421607 will be split out and placed in FTDNA’s Time Tree which should give a date for these two SNPs. The Time Tree currently does not have FT421607:

 

Summary and Conclusions

  • The new Barker test shows that his genealogy is in the James Line
  • The new BigY test split the old James Line branch into two
  • The test shows that Barker must descend from James Frazer born 1720 or his son Archibald born 1751 or the next Archibald born 1792
  • The new test seems to support that Dingman is from the Archibald line
  • FTDNA should do a manual review on this test
  • FTDNA will also update their Time tree to include the new FT421607

 

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Placing AncestryDNA Matches the Michael Frazer Tree with ThruLines

This Blog is a more concise summary of the Blog I wrote here. Ancestry does a good job of trying to connect DNA matches and genealogies using a computer program called ThruLines. This is the right thing to do. However, Ancestry produces its ThruLines with published genealogies which can sometimes be off track or confusing.

Years ago, I saw that some in my family had a fairly large DNA match with a person named BV at Ancestry. Looking into BV’s genealogy, I saw that I matched her on her McMaster side. Here are my brother Jon’s ThruLines:

I found out that my ancestor Margaret Frazer married William McMaster and then moved with her family to Ontario. My 3rd great-grandmother Fanny married in Ireland and stayed behind. It was clear from the DNA that our match to BV was on the James Line of Frazers. That Line had mostly descendants from James Frazer’s sons Archibald Frazer and Michael Frazer. There was also a Patrick Frazer, but I am not aware of DNA matches that I have from this line. From DNA matches to others and from genealogy clues, I reasoned that Margaret was likely the daughter of Michael Frazer and Margaret Stuart.

BK

Ancestry has since added others to the Michael Frazer Tree using ThruLines:

My brother Jon’s ThruLines shows a match to BK on the Michael Frazer Line. I looked into BK’s genealogy and it checked out. It turns out that the Archibald above also moved to Ontario from Ireland. From there, we can track down his descent to BK. Unfornutately, the J.F. in the ThruLines is not correct. He descends from a different Archibald Frazer. But, his Archibald stayed in Ireland. Here is the tree of researcher Joanna (brother of J.F.):

Her ancestors beginning with Edward F Frazer were from Ireland and then later generations moved to England. The ThruLines mix up Archibald Frazer born in 1792 and Archibald Frazer born 1801. So how did Ancestry get this wrong?

More on J.F.

J.F. is placed incorrectly at this time at least on one of my siblings’ ThruLines. I have access to J.F’s sister Joanna’s ThruLines:

Here, of course, Joanna is placed correctly. I am sure that if I had access to J.F.’s ThruLines, he would also show that he is descended from Archibald Frazer born 1792 and not the one born 1801. That means that J.F. is placed incorrectly in one ThruLine and correctly in another. In Ancestry’s defense, there has been a lot of confusion in the various trees and the genealogy does get a bit confusing with many Archibalds Frazer.

A Complicating Factor

Interestingly, here is Joanna’s ThruLines going back to James the father of Michael and Archibald:

James had a daughter named Elizabeth. She marries a Knott and they have a daughter Catherine. Catherine marries Archibald Frazer born 1801 and BK also descends from this ancestry. That makes BK a 5th cousin once removed to Joanna and J.F.

ThruLines for Monica

My sister Heidi shows more ThruLines on the Michael Frazer Line:

ThruLines has Monica under Michael, son of Michael.

Monica’s nephew Kyle is also shown under this branch. When I checked out Monica’s ancestry, I found this (from a previouis ThruLine):

I got Monica back to a Michael Frazer, but he was born in 1810. Before that, I lost track of the genealogy. Assuming the dates are correct, Michael born in 1810 could not be the son of Archibald born in 1801. That means that since I wrote the previous Blog, there appears to be a correction in the ThruLines that reflects the information that I found. Here is a case where, to me, it seems that the same name for the son plus a DNA connection seems to make up for lack of a birth record for Michael Frazer born around 1810.

More on Michael Frazer Born 1810

I find it interesting that Ancestry came up with a logical conclusion that I also came up with. I wonder if there are trees which suggest that Michael born in 1810 was the son of Michael born in 1764. When I go back to my sister Heidi’s ThruLines and click on Michael Frazer born 1810, I get this note:

Here we see that Joanna has added Michael to her tree:

Here is what the other Tree at Ancestry shows:

So based on these two trees, Ancestry changed the ThruLines.

Summary and Conclusions

  • Years ago, I discovered a DNA match with a McMaster/Frazer common ancestor. The Frazer was Margaret Stuart Frazer and I placed her by best fit as the daughter of Michael Frazer (who married a Stuart) and who was born about 1764.
  • Since then, there have been more ThruLines for this same Michael Frazer
  • Recently two matches came up: BK and Monica
  • BK is descended from Archibald Frazer (born 1801) who is believed to be the son of Michael Frazer born 1764
  • Monica is descended from a Michael Frazer born 1810. This Michael is likely a later son born to Michael Frazer of 1764
  • I also looked at J.F. who was incorrectly placed in one of my sibling’s ThruLines as descending from Michael of 1764. J.F. and Joanna correctly descend from a different Archibald born 1792 and son of another Archibald (brother of Michael born 1764).
  • Further as my brother Jon matches J.F, the correct ThruLines for for Jon and J.F. would go back to James Frazer who was born about 1720. This is based on genealogy that we are aware of. There may be other connections that we are not aware of.
  • The moral is that ThruLines change and can be incorrect at times, so they have to be studied and interpreted correctly. It is easier to tell the the wrong ThruLines than to prove that one is right. However, proving one is wrong can lead to the likelihood that the ancestor is in a different Line.

 

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A Frazer/McMaster DNA Connection with Monica

A while back I noticed this DNA match with a proposed Common Ancestor at Ancestry:

The DNA match is actually with my sister Heidi. Monica also matches my brother Jon by the same amount of cMs. The good thing about the match with Monica is that Heidi and Monica also have recognizable Share Matches:

These Shared DNA Matches also have common ancestors. Jane and Michael match on the Richard Frazer side:

Keith matches on the McMaster side:

As far as I know, Keith has no Frazer genealogy, however, going back there could be Frazer there somewhere. [However, see below for clarification.] Here is another depiction of some of the McMaster connections by genealogy and DNA:

What if the Margery noted at the top of the Chart was a Frazer?

A Theory Gone Wrong

Initially, I had thought that Ancestry’s Common Ancestor of Michael Frazer from the James Line of Frazers should make sense. That is because I believe that our family is more distantly related to the Michael Line through William McMaster and Margaret Frazer who I believe to be the daughter of Michael Frazer. However, my genealogy friend Joanna from Scotland says that the Common Ancestor connection as shown in Ancestry is not right.

Building a Tree for Monica

I’ll try to build out a tree for Monica and see if I come to the same conclusion as Joanna. However, before I do that, I see that my sister Lori also matches Monica at a slightly higher level – 20 cM. She also has a few more Shared DNA matches with Monica:

Rob has no tree and Lawrence’s tree is has only three private people. However, Lori’s Shared Matches with Rob shows this:

The Common Ancestor between Lori and BK shows this:

Interestingly, BK’s own tree deviates from what Ancestry has:

BK has a Jane Cole in his ancestry where Ancestry has Mary Patterson.

Also my note for MT:

This points out that in the ancestry of James Archibald McMaster, there is a McMaster connection. This means that despite what I said above, Keith does actually have Frazer ancestry:

The common ancestor between Keith and my family is Fanny McMaster, but Fanny’s mother was Margaret Frazer.

Back to Monica’s Genealogy

The confusion is that it would fit in well if Monica’s genealogy went back to Michael Frazer. I believe, but have not proven, that Michael Frazer is the father of Margaret Frazer above.

Monica’s tree only goes out two generation on her Frazer side. John Frazer was in the 1940 Census:

A hint is that John’s parents were both born in Schenectady according to that Census. William was a welder at General-Electric.

Here is Schenectady on the Mohawk River. I have panned out as there was also a Poughkeepsie Frazer family living there which caused the confusion.

William Frazer

Here is what findagrave has about William Frazer:

Interestingly findagrave has William born in Glasgow, Delaware. Here is William in 1930:

William was listed as an ‘electric welder’ in 1930. The rest of the family is listed on the previous page:

I don’t see any mention of Deleaware on this Census either. The father Joseph was listed as an invalid. In the 1910 Census, we see that Joseph’s mother was living with them in Saugherties, NY:

She immigrated about 1843?

Saugherties is a little closer to Poughkeepsie than Schenectady.

Joseph Frazer Born about 1862

In 1900, Joseph was a boatman living in Saugherties:

Here is the family in 1880:

This connects well as we last saw Matilda in the 1910 Census. If I read that Census correctly, she had 14 children! In 1880, the family lived in Glasco:

Unfortunately, I have not been doing a good job in identifying the spouses of Frazers:

So there is a Michael in the ancestry of Monica. Michael would be her 2nd great-grandfather.

Here is the 1850 Census for Saugherties:

Here is the next page:

These look to be daughters Margaret and Sarah, both born in New York.

The death record for Michael’s son William gives his mother’s last name as Young:

Findagrave gives a death date for Michael:

Who was Michael’s Father?

I could make some guesses, but first I would like to build out the tree for BK. Remember that Rob was a shared match between Lori and Monica. Then when I chose shared matches between Rob and Lori, I came up with BK. BK showed the same common ancestor at Ancestry:

However between Lori and Monica, I showed that the connection up to Michael Frazer born in 1764 was not right. Here is BK’s tree and point at which it diverges from the connection above:

BK has Myra Ackerman and Ancestry has Mary Patterson. Also not that Myra must have been 13 when she had Homer which doesn’t sound right. Also that Homer has a middle name of Patterson. My thought is that the DNA Matching between Lori, Monica and BK may triangulate. In addition, that means that the three family trees may also triangulate.

A Tree for BK

First, I’ll check to see if I already have a tree for BK. I don’t see any.

Here I have started my own tree for BK, I have indicated in the name of the tree that I am looking for Frazer/McMaster ancestry. Homer Patterson Cooper seems to be the best line to trace at this time. Here is Lois in Pittsburgh in 1920 with her family:

The Census further shows that Homer was born in Pennsylvania, but that both his parents were born in Michigan.

Homer P Cooper Born 1886

We see Homer’s middle name from his World War I Draft Registration:

Here is Homer in 1900:

From this, we learn that the family was in Michigan in 1884. Here is the previous page of the same Census:

The family was also briefly in Ohio. Michigan seems like the right path to follow as I know that some Frazer and McMaster ancestors ended up in Ontario and then went on to Michigan from there. BK also has some Ontario ancestors in his tree.

Joseph Cooper Born 1854 in Michigan

This certainly seems like the marriage record for Joseph:

This record indicates that Joseph was a widower at the time of his marriage in 1878. Here I see the problem. Joseph’s children were by a previous wife. Unfortunately, Ancestry added Myra as the mother to Joseph’s children. I went in and took out Myra as the mother. Here is my Ancestry Fact page on Joseph corrected:

The problem that I see is that it appears that Joseph’s children were born after the 1880 Census. Ancestry gives this hint for Joseph’s first marriage, though the details seem somewhat sketchy:

This would certainly explain the Patterson in Homer’s name. Here is a birth of Annie Maria Cooper in Arthur, Ontario:

Here is Arthur:

The connection to Joseph as blacksmith pretty much tells me I have the right person. The couple married in Mt. Forest which is not too far from Arthur:

Findagrave has more information on Joseph’s birth place:

It looks like we have identified Joseph’s neighborhood:

However, we are really interested in Mary Patterson.

Mary Patterson Born 1855 Ontario

With any luck, we should find Mary Patterson in the 1861 and 1871 Census for Ontario. Before we look there, I see Mary in 1880 in Cleveland, Ohio:

I note that both Joseph and Mary’s parents were born in Ireland. I believe that this is Mary in the 1861 Census for Arthur, Canada:

The Census is difficult to interpret. It appears that there was an extended Paterson family listed – perhpas headed up by John Patterson who was 76. I interpret this to say that Mary’s parents were Anderson and Catherine Patterson – though their last names appear as Patton (perhaps a mistake by the Census-taker? There is a bit of familiarity with Arthur, Canada, as I have looked there before for cionnections.

Patterson/Paton Mystery Solved?

I took to searching my old Blogs to find out what was going on here. I found some answers in a 2019 Blog that I wrote.  Here is what I wrote in that Blog:

Bonnie’s Third Cousin ThruLInes

At this level three additional people are added:

I mentioned Beverly above. Then there are two more people from the Catherine Frazer Line. Bonnie’s tree has Catherine as Catherine Peyton Frazer, but Frazer researcher Joanna points out that the Peyton is not correct as that is from a different Catherine Frazer. Someone added a photo of Catherine Frazer’s daughter Rachel Patton from NO’s ancestry:

LO and NO are from two different lines as Catherine Frazer married a Pattison (aka Patterson) who died. She then married a Patton.

All this to say that Patterson and Paton are both right.

Who Was Catherine Frazer of Ontario?

So far, I have hesitated to add Catherine to my chart of DNA Matches:

This is due to the confusion of who her parents were. It appears that Catherine’s first daughter was Jane:

If Catherine Frazer’s mother was Catherine Knott and she wanted to name her after her mother, then she should have named her Catherine.

Summing Up So Far

  • It appeared from Ancestry, that the common ancestor between Monica and my sister Heidi should be Michael Frazer born in 1764 in Ireland
  • I looked at Monica’s tree and could get her back to a Micael Frazer who was born in 1810 in Ireland and moved to New York State
  • My sister Lori also matches Monica. A shared match between Lori and Monica is Rob. Rob has a shared match with Lori who is BK
  • I got BK’s tree back to Catherine Frazer. I have supposed in the past that this family goes back to Michael Frazer born in 1764 in Ireland.

ThruLines and McMaster/Frazer Charts

I like to write down these DNA matches in charts. These are similar to the Ancestry ThruLines. Here are Lori’s ThruLines going back to Michael Frazer:

Here is some more detail on the Archibald Line:

I have shown above that the connection between BK and Catherine is correct:

Also interesting to note is that assuming I have this right, Michael Frazer bon in 1810 could not be the son of Archibald Frazer born in 1801. That means that Michael born in 1810 could be the son of Michael Frazer born in 1764 or the son of an earlier son of Michael Frazer born in 1764, or from a different line.

Bonnie’s ThruLines

These were not working earlier in the Blog, but now I see them. Joanna tells me that Bonnie does great work on her genealogy:

Here we do not see Edward Wynn Frazer which appears to be correct. How does this compare with my sister Lori’s ThruLines? Both ThruLines have:

  • Margaret Frazer born 1790 (my family is under this line)
  • Mary Frazer born 1798
  • Archicbald Frazer born 1802

I think that Bonnie’s Patrick Henry Frazer born 1803 is the same as the Henry P Frazer born 1804 in Lori’s ThruLines. Lori is missing Fitzgerald Frazer in her ThruLines and I believe that Edward Wynn Frazer in Lori and Bonnie’s ThruLines is wrong.

My James Line Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart

Here is what I have in this area:

I need to add more under the Archibald Line.

Here is the new version:

Here is where I have Edward Wynn on my Chart:

The confusion appears to be that there are two Archibald Frazers. One was born in 1792, son of Archibald, and was of Tullynure. The other was born in 1801, son of Michael, and married Catherine Knott. They were first cousins.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I never placed Monica on the Frazer Tree. She does not descend from Edward Wynn Frazer, but then Edward Wynn does not descend from Michael Frazer. It is likely that Monica descends from Michael Frazer born 1764 as she has an ancestor Michael Frazer born 1810
  • In the process, of looking at Monica’s genealogy, I looked at the genealogy of BK. I added BK to the Michael Line in my Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart as well as others from Bonnie’s ThruLines
  • The fact that there were two Archibald Frazers who were first cousins and not born too far apart from each other continues to cause confusion. This genealogical confusion could potentially be sorted out by DNA.
  • It would be interesting to compare the ThruLines of various descendants of the James Frazer Line.

 

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My Family’s Hathaway ThruLines at Ancestry

I was recently looking at my family’s DNA matches and came upon a possible Common Ancestor between my sister Lori and Holly:

The second generation from the top seems odd as there is a Joseph born in 1771 and a John born in 1825. Here is a summary of my tree at Ancestry:

I see two other trees at Ancestry with similar information. I would like to say that Holly and Lori are not likely connected in the way Ancesty has them.

Holly’s Tree

I’ll try to build out Holly’s Hathaway Line to see what I can see. Holly’s line goes to her maternal grandfather:

This is not much to go on. I am guessing that Adiel could be this person:

The people at the top right should not show as living, so I corrected that:

Here is the family in Wareham in 1870:

Here is a record that could explain some of the confusion:

Here is John Hathaway’s marriage record. It appears that his father’s first name was David and his mother’s last name was Hathaway. However, the Hathaway could be the wife’s maiden name. The suggestion for John’s father makes more sense than the common ancestor listed earlier in the Blog:

David had two Hathaways for parents.

I can get the tree back to 1690:

Do Lori and Holly share DNA from Arthur from 1690? Possibly. But possibly from some other ancestor in colonial Massachusetts. Interestingly enough, I already have an Arthur Hathaway chart:

I have had trouble placing Ned, and one place he fits in is on my Hathaway tree. We show as 10th cousins! Holly should be in here somewhere also. Here I have added Holly on the left side of the chart:

Holly and Lori should be 8th cousins.

Other Hathaway Connections

I do have this chart of DNA matches going back to Simon Hathaway who was born in 1711:

I have circled my family and two of my father’s first cousins who have also tested Ancestry. These two cousins also have other Hathaway connections which makes the DNA comparisons tricky.

Summary and Conclusions

  • My sister’s connection to Holly as shown by Ancestry appears to be wrong
  • The genealogical connection between Holly and Lori go back to Arthur Hathaway who was born in 1690
  • It is difficult to tell whether the DNA connection between Holly and Lori is from Arthur Hathaway. I have not found other connections, but they may be there.

 

 

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Checking New Potential NicholsonCommon Ancestors Matches at AncestryDNA

After perusing AncestryDNA matches lately, it seems that I am showing some potential Common Ancestors for my family.

Heidi and Chris

This match with my sister Heidi is on our maternal side:

Chris and Heidi show as potential fourth cousins. I have Lydia in my onlline Nicholson genealogy:

Bernard also shows up. However, so far, I show no matches from that line on my combined DNA match/Nicholson Genealogy Chart:

For some reason, I have Henry Nicholson with no descendants, then William Nicholson. Let’s do a quick check on Chris’ genealogy. I was able to find Gladys in the 1911 Census:

Unfortunatley, Driver was transcribed as the less likely Drivas.

Here I have added Chris to the DNA/Genealogy Tree and taken out Henry Nicholson:

Chris and Heidi correctly show as fourth cousins. This fills in a gap on the Nicholson tree.

More on the Henry Nicholson Line

Perhaps I took Henry out too soon. I see that Heidi shows DNA matches to two descendants of Henry Nicholson at Ancestry ThruLines:

Checking the Genealogy for Nancy

Nancy does show her maternal grandmother as Mary Ellen Nicholson:

Nancy also has her grandmother moving to New Jersey:

Here is Warren to the West of New York City:

I’m too lazy to build a tree for Nancy, so I will try to build down from Henry Nicholson and his son Walter. Here is the 1891 Census:

Here we have 5 year old Clara. I am guessing that Joseph was perhaps out of the house or away then? He would be about 17 in 1891. For some reason, I don’t see Joseph in the 1881 Census:

I’m guessing that this is why I did not add Henry earlier. That means that I do need to create a tree for Nancy. Turns out I already did:

Here my tree gets away from what Ancestry ThruLines had. I will skip Nancy for now as I cannot clearly see how she connects to my Nicholson Tree.

A Tree for Louie

My top down analysis showed that Walter did have a Clara Nicholson. I’m happy to borrow from this Tree at Ancestry:

Here are Clara and Samuel in 1911:

Now I just need to add Henry Nicholson and Louie into my Chart:

It took me a while to get this chart right. It is still a mystery as to how Nancy fits in at this time.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I added two new collateral ancestors to my Nicholson DNA/Genealogy Chart. These were Lydia Nicholson and Henry Nicholson
  • I redicovered why I had questions about connecting Nancy’s and my genealogies
  • It would be interesting to see if Louie and Nancy match each other at Ancestry.

 

 

 

 

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Looking for Butler Records in St. John, New Brunswick

The Marriage of Edward Butler and Mary Crowley

In the past, I had found this record at the NEHGS Library:

I had this as 1 May 1855. I looked at FamilySearch.org in May 1855 for marriages at the Church of the Imaculate Conception in St. John, New Brunswick and found this:

I assume that the first image was the original and that the one I just found was the transcription. It is more clear and the date of the marriage is more clearly the 31st of May 1855. It appears that Elizabeth Scott was at two weddings in the same day in this entry directly below:

This is on Film # 008127870, Image 1002 of 1146:

A Look at the Immaculate Conception Cathedral Index

I have that Julia Ann Butler was born on 11 June 1857. It would make sense to look for her baptism at the same Church. I checked around this date and could find no baptismal record for a Butler. However, in the index, I found a Julia A Butler on page 222:

Here is the index image reference:

Here is the index cover page:

While I am in the index, I will look for Ellen Butler. I’ll note other Butlers as I go along:

Unfortunately, I found no page number. Probably close to or after page 297.

I cannot make out this name. Again no page number, but it would be in the 300’s.

Here is a William and the marriage of Edward:

This appears to be a second Catherine Butler:

And yet another Catherine:

This could be our Ellen:

This appears to be the last Butler in the index for 1855-1861:

Julia A Butler

Here is Julia Ann:

Julia Ann was baptized on the 26th of April 1857:

The godparents appear to be Michael Cody and Julia Kennedy. I assume that Cody is the same surname that Walter Coody had in the Butler/Crowley marriage. Julia Ann appears to have been named for Julia Kennedy. Julia is listed as twelve days old, so that would put her birth at about the 14th of April 1857.

Ellen Butler

Unfortunately, the records do not appear to be online for Ellen:

The records only go up to 1858. Here is more information:

Possibly this microfilm would have Ellen:

This record may be helpful:

Other Butlers from the Index

Page 300 is the last page I can see online:

This baptism was January 24, 1858. Catherine was the daughter of Thomas Butler and Mary Mahoney.

Here is the page 60 Catherine:

This baptism was on October 28, 1855.

Here is the baptism of William Butler:

He was baptized May 27, 1855 and was the brother of Catherine.

Summary and Conclusions

It was helpful going through the online records of FamilySearch.org for the Church of the Immaculate Conception in St. John, New Brunswick. From this I was able to find a more accurate marriage date for Edward Butler and Mary Crowley. I also found a more accurate birth date for Julia Ann Butler.

  • A more extensive review would have looked more at witnesses and godparents. It appears that the Coady family was close to this Butler family. Whether this family was friend or family relation to the bride or groom is not clear.
  • A look at the records for other names in the index would be interesting. That would take looking at the films in a library.

 

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Summarizing Butler Genealogy and Connections to Ireland

I have been working on Butler genealogy for some time. My brother-in-law is working with a professional genealogist who could use the information that has been found to date to not duplicate efforts. Here is my attempt at doing that.

Edward Butler Immigrant Ancestor Born 1825

The death record for immigrant Edward Bulter has his birthplace as Kilkenny, Ireland and gives his parents’ names:

Interestingly, Edward H Butler, his son, shows his father born in County Wexford:

Michael Butler and Margaret Croke/Croak

The death certificate for Edward Butler gives his parents as Michael Butler and Margaret Croke. Windgap Parish Registers for County Kilkenny, Ireland show that this couple baptized a son, Mathias Butler on 1 November 1824:

Here is a map of Poulrone:

Here the Townland is spelled Pollrone. Here is a current map showing Pollrone:

Here is a record of Michael Butler from 1832:

Michael apparently died around this time (1832) as his wife Margaret shows as the occupier in the note to the right. This list was important at the time as it showed who was able to vote. The Ned Duggan listed as a sponsor for Mathias above could be the Edward Duggan shown as listed in “Poulroan” above.

One guess would be that Edward Butler went to live with cousins in Wexford (the family of Henry Butler) after his father died. Perhaps that is why he knew that family well.

Here are the sons I have of Michael Butler:

Here are the children I have for James Butler:

Edward Butler Immigration

This is most likely our Edward Butler from Poulrone, County Kilkenny. A birth date is given and an immigration date is given. This may be his passenger record:

However, in 1843, Edward would have been 2-1/2 months shy of 18. I suppose that age 21 is not a far stretch. In 1910, Edward states that he immigrated in the year 1850:

This part of the petition for Naturalization has Edward living in Boston since 1843:

Here is an Edward Butler with an assumed spouse Bridget in 1850 in Boston. Ward 8:

However, is this the same couple in 1855? This is from the Boston Census Ward 7:

This Edward Butler cannot be our Edward as the Census was taken on 1 May 1855, the day that Edward was marrying Mary Crowley in St. John, New Brunswick:

Edward Butler and Hugh Gray

Looking back to one of my Blogs, I see that I had made a connection between Edward Butler and Hugh Gray. Hugh Gray was living next to Edward and Bridget Butler in the 1850 Census:

In this Blog, I have the following character witnesses for Edward Butler on Edward’s naturalization record:

This is from the second page of Edward’s Naturalization Petition.

The above information is a bit confusing, but from the records, I assume the following:

  • Edward’s parents from his death certificate were Michael Butler and Margaret Croke from County Kilkenny
  • This couple lived in Poulrone, Windgap Parish based on the birth of Mathias Butler and land records.
  • There is an Edward Butler from Poulrone who had a Naturalization Petition in Boston in 1851.
  • A Hugh Gray vouched for Edward Butler
  • There is a Hugh Gray living next to an Edward and Bridget Butler in the 1850 Census for Boston.
  • There is an Edward and Bridget Butler in the 1855 Census for Boston. However, at this time our Edward was marrying Mary Crowley in St. John, New Brunswick. That means that the 1855 Butlers in Boston were a different couple.
  • I know nothing further of Bridget Butler. She was presumably Edward’s wife or sister.

Questions:

  • Did Edward have other relatives who came to the US before he did?
  • Why did Edward live in Boston for a while, then go to St. John, New Brunswick to marry?
  • Why did Edward’s son have on his death certificate that his father was from County Wexford? I believe that the answer to this is that earlier Butlers may have lived in Wexford. At least Edward’s relatived George Butler and his father Henry Butler were from Wexford.

Edward Butler’s Irish Connection in Cincinnati, Ohio

Edward moved to Cincinatti with his family. Here is the 1860 Census:

Based on the age of Ellen, the family must have moved from St. John in 1859 or 1860. Edward’s Ireland connectiion in Cincinnati is George Butler. Descendants of George Butler match descendants of Edward Butler by DNA. Here is George and family in 1860 in Cincinnati:

This Census suggests that this family was living in Ireland as late as 1850. George’s daughter, Mary A. ends up moving to St. John. Here is her death certificate:

It is unclear to me why Mary moved to St. John or what connection was there. Obviously, her relative Edward Butler was no longer living there. Were there other relatives there? The Murphy descendants are one of the families that match the Edward Butler descendants.

This appears to be George Butler’s baptismal record from 1826:

His baptismal name was Adam or George. His parents were Henry Buitler and Anne Russel. Here is Ferns in County Wexford:

My guess is that Ferns is about 25 miles from Poulrone in County Kilkenny. Here is a marriage record for a George Butler and Mary Whitty in Mountaingate, County Wexford:

George’s first wife died and he married secondly Margaret Sinnott on November 11, 1866 at All Saints Roman Catholic Church in the Fulton area of Cincinnati. This couple had children also that match Edward’s descendants by DNA.

Edward Butler’s Irish Connections in the Boston Area

Edward moves to the Chicago area where his two sons are born. Following that, Edward and his two sons move to the Boston area. While in the Boston area, he had two connections with Irish Butler relatives.

Edward Butler (1839-1891)

The first connection was with another Edward Butler (Edward’s namesake?). Researcher Peter Butler found the newpaper notice:

This notice was from a Boston Newpaper in 1891. Here is the State record:

Here is my version of the family of Henry Butler and Ann Russell – made with the help of Peter Butler:

“Adam” Edward Butler was the brother of George Butler who lived in Cincinnati. Also note the connection to 220 California Street where our Edward Butler lived at the time and the connection to St. John, New Brunswick.

Here is the 1893 Street Directory for Newton (California Street):

Connection #2: Mary Butler Mellie (1858-1938)

Here is the summary I have for Mary Butler:

Notice that I have the children as Melia rather than Mellie. Mary was the daughter of James who was the brother of our Edward Butler. I don’t have a birth record for James, but I have that Mary was born in Windgap Parish, County Kilkenny. Here is half of Mary’s baptismal record:

This shows that James apparently was still on the family farm in 1858. I did some further research into Griffith’s Valuation for the Townland of Pollrone:

Interestingly, I see the names Butler, Croake and Millea (Mellie?)

Possibly all the people in Reference #2 could be related: Duggan, Butler, Croake and possibly Millea. However, Mary’s husband was from County Meath according to their marriage record:

Here is Edward living in the Mellie household in 1910:

Edward is listed as William’s father-in-law. This is not quite correct as Mary’s father was James Butler based on this marriage record:

Perhaps James had died by now and Edward was acting as Mary and Johanna’s father. Johanna was Mary’s sister.

Summary and Conclusions

  • From the land records, it appears that there was a Michael and Margaret Butler in Poulrone, Kilkenny aka Pollrone around 1832.
  • This land went to Margaret Butler after the presumed death of Michael Butler
  • Later, the land went to James Butler, the presumed son of Michael Butler and Margaret Croake.
  • Edward Butler born probably 1825 in Poulrone (baptismal record not found) to Michael Butler and Margaret Croake. He moves to Boston where he is naturalized. He is living in Boston with a Bridget Butler in 1850. He marries in 1855 in St. John, New Brunswick. He has two daughters born there and moves to Cincinnati
  • In Cincinnati, Edward lives near George Butler, son on Henry Butler and Ann Russell of Wexford, Ireland. The descendants of these two families have DNA matches. It is possible that Michael and Henry Butler were brothers.
  • One of George Butler’s daughters moves to St. John and marries there and has children.
  • Edward Butler moves to the Chicago area and has two sons there.
  • Edward and sons move to the Boston area around 1890 or so. Edward is listed in the 1890 Veteran Census in Newton, MA.
  • Edward hosts the funeral for “Adam” Edward Butler in 1891. “Adam” Edward is the son of Henry Butler of Wexford. “Adam” Edward’s death notice in the Boston paper mentions that St. John, New Brunswick should be notified of his death.
  • In 1910, Edward is living in the house of William Mellie. William married Mary Butler, daughter of James Butler who took over the family farm apparently in Poulrone, Kilkenny.
  • Thanks to Peter Butler for his help in researching many of these facts.