I see that the DNA profiles for my children’s DNA matches is a out of date. Here is my daughter’s maternal profile:
Heather is only 15% identified and of these there are only three common ancestor choices. The blue match is Marti:
This is the one non-Polish match mapped. I am more interested in my children’s maternal side as I already know about their paternal side.
Here is my son’s profile:
JJ has one more ancestral couple mapped compared to Heather. I changed some of the colors.
How to Get More DNA Mapped for My Children?
The places to get matches are at FTDNA, MyHeritage and Gedmatch. I don’t have my children tested at 23andMe and Ancestry does not support DNA mapping. I’ll start with FTDNA which is the only place to get information on the X Chromosome. This route was not easy, so I tried Gedmatch. There, I have Heather’s kit split into a maternal and paternal kit. Here is a match on her maternal side:
This is the ideal match, as I can easily find it at Ancestry. Ancestry even shows the common ancestors:
This match represents all Heather’s Polish matches. This is the information I give to DNA Painter to paint the match:
This brings Heather up to 19% painted on her maternal side:
The last two entries in the key represent my children’s maternal grandparents:
These are Jarek and Cavanaugh. However, going back, Cavanaugh is really Warren. On the maternal side, less is known about the Cavanaugh/Warren side.
In Common with Martha
At FTDNA, I can run an in common with Martha. Martha is on the Cavanaugh/Warren side. I found 155 matches in common between Heather and Martha, but it is difficult to see how they may be related. So the disconnect is that Martha is on FTDNA, but it is difficult to find other easily identifiable matches that are in common with Heather.
Not in Common with Robert
I had an idea. I can go to Gedmatch and look for matches that do not match Robert. Those maternal matches of Heather should be on the Cavanaugh/Warren side.
Here are some of the ones that match Heather and Robert:
Here are some of the ones that match Heather:
I take these to be the non-Polish matches, though the first match is Robert. Next, I need to track down any of these that are on Ancestry. One has a tree. Let’s start with Betty. I think this is Betty’s tree from Ancestry:
Unfortunately, I do not see the connection. However, Suzanne is a shared match between Heather and Betty at Ancestry:
Gatley is on the Cavanaugh/Warren side, so this makes sense. Here is another of Heather’s matches:
Some Gatley Genealogy
Next, I should try to evaluate the Gatley connection. I see that my son also has a Gatley connection:
I’ll start with Patrick. There is some confusion as to where his father, John Joseph was born, but his draft card gives the birth places as Yonkers, New York:
John’s grandmother’s name is from this death certificate:
Here is the birth information:
I’ll choose Ellen for Henry’s mother’s name as it is the older record.
The 1901 Census for Hamilton City seems important:
This gives a birth date and place for Ellen or Helen.
Ellen Hardman
From the 1901 Census, we see that Ellen’s first 4 children were born in England. This tells me that the couple was likely married in England not too long before 1880. Also the family must be on the 1881 Census. This must be the family in Warrington:
John was Irish and a wire drawer as in Ontario. Further, this shows that Ellen was born in Warrington:
It looks like I have gone off track. I should have been tracking Lillian Hardman.
Oops, Lilly Fee
Here is Lilly’s Naturalization Record:
It turns out that Lily was also from Warrington. She was born there in 1897 and married in 1920. I assume that marriage was in Winnipeg. The birth place of John Joseph is still a mystery.
Child Newman Henry identifies Lily as a Hardman:
According to this record, the couple married in Warrington:
The picture of Lily’s life is coming into focus. But maybe not. This marriage is in Winnipeg:
Here is Warrington in 1901:
All does not appear to be well as mother Elizabeth is listed as a widowed charwoman and there is a male boarder living in the house. I assume this is Great Sankey:
This appears to be the family in 1891:
Father Thomas is a Tanner and Eliza is a Fustian Cutter.
This appears to be the marriage:
Here is the 1871 Census. Elizabeth’s father had already passed away:
Here is James in 1861:
Next, I need to see if this James is the same as the one I have in my tree.
Two James Gatleys?
Here is the James I already have in my tree:
He is born in Salford and dies in Fall River in 1881.
The James that I am looking at above:
He is born also in 1821 but in Martin Croft.
Checking Heather’s Gatleys
Perhaps these Gatleys will link up better.
Here is Suzanne’s tree:
Her tree matches with the one I have (assuming I have it right):
I’ll accept the hints for Suzanne’s grandparents on the Harris line to save time. Here is a birth record for one of the Harris boys:
Here is Middlesbrough:
Here is Thomas in 1921:
Here is the family in 1911 living with the in-laws:
Here is the marriage:
Frederick dies in WWI.
I am interested in Frederick’s mother. Here is young Frederick in 1881:
Mother Mary Ann is born in Manchester. I assume that this is the couple’s marriage banns in 1866:
The 1871 Census has Mary Ann born in Salford and some of her children born in Warrington.
Here is Mary Ann’s baptismal record from Manchester Cathedral:
Here is the 1861 Census:
Mary Ann’s parents are born in Salford and Waterford, Ireland. When I search for a marriage for this couple, I get this:
I tend to think that this is right, as James is listed as a Fustian Cutter. Here is Eccles, which is right near Salford:
When I turn the page of the 1861 Census, I see this:
Here is Jane Gatley – perhaps the mother of James Gatley. She is listed as being born in Warrington.
This is likely the baptism of James Gatley:
After looking at many records, I would say that the ThruLines are correct.
A First Gatley DNA Tree
This shows that my children are 5th cousins with Suzanne.
Summary and Conclusions
- The Blog got a bit long which was unavoidable due to adequately checking out genealogies.
- There are two second cousins on my children’s maternal side. One represents the Polish side and the other represents the non-Polish or Irish/English side.
- The ThruLine for JJ is incorrect as shown, though there may be a Gatley connection further back in time for him.
- Due to a correct ThruLine for Heather, I was able to draw my first Gatley DNA Tree
- I also added some DNA to DNA Painter on the Polish side for my children.