I was recently informed by another Frazer relative, that she had a new match at AncestryDNA named Suzzanne. I checked and saw that AncestryDNA had matched Suzzanne to me via ThruLines:
We show as 6th cousins which is pretty remote. Jane who mentioned Suzzanne descends from Richard P L Frazer above so they would be in the third cousin range. Here is Jane on my ThruLines:
However, something seems off as there shouldn’t be two Archibalds as son of Archibald. When I expand the tree, I see that Jane and Suzzanne should be 2nd cousins once removed:
The DNA match amounts of 15 and 11 cM are how much these two match me. They must match each other by quite a bit more. From Jane’s view, the relationship looks better:
I have one shared DNA match with Suzzanne at AncestryDNA:
That match is with Rebecca who is my 3rd cousin. This is my own DNA match chart as Rebecca does not show on ThruLines. Also, based on my own chart, I should be closer than a 6th cousin to Suzzanne. When I add in Suzzanne to my chart, I see we are actually 5th cousins:
In both our trees we have Frazers who married Frazers. Also we don’t know the wife of Richard Frazer who was born in 1777. She may be related to us in more than one way. This was all a bit too complicated for AncestryDNA apparently.
More on Suzzanne’s Frazer Ancestry
Here is what I have on my website:
Suzzanne descends from Anne. Anne apparently went with her father to Scotland. It looks like Anne went by Fannie in 1891:
Suzzanne and Shared Matches at AncestryDNA
I mentioned above that Suzzanne and I have a shared match with Rebecca. Rebecca and I are third cousins:
I checked my four siblings who I have tested at AncestryDNA and they do not have a match to Suzzanne. This is not unusual for 5th cousins.
Suzzanne and Jane’s Shared Matches
These two have a lot of shared DNA matches. One that I am interested in is Gary. Gary is Jane’s third cousin:
AncestryDNA suggests evaluating Gary’s tree. I want to devote a later Blog to Gary.
Suzzanne at MyHeritage
I see that recently Suzzanne has also showed up as a DNA match to me at MyHeritage. That is good because that will give more detail as to which Chromosome we match on.
We have a small match on Chromosome 14, but mostly math on Chromosome 17:
That would most likely be the DNA that came down to both of us through Richard Frazer born around 1777 or his unknown wife. I already have a lot of my DNA mapped by DNAPainter. Here is my Chromosome 17:
The area where I match Emily in the middle is where I also math Suzzanne. According to MyHeritage, Suzzanne, Emily and I triangulate:
That means that this segment of DNA points to a common ancestor. We already identified that common ancestor as either Richard Frazer born about 1777 or his unknown wife. I had previously mapped my match with Emily to our common ancestors. They are my 2nd great-grandparents George William Frazer and Margaret McMaster. I now know that this match is on my Frazer side, going back to the late 1700’s.
Here I have painted Suzzanne’s match to my DNA Map:
Notice that Suzzanne’s match overlaps with Emily’s. That means that my match with Emily is actually an older match and I can change her match from maroon to red to represent Richard Frazer’s (or his wife’s) DNA.
Suzzanne and My Cousin Paul
I have my 2nd cousin Paul’s DNA at MyHeritage and Suzzanne matches him also:
The match on Chromosome 9 is under that threshold that DNAPainter uses, but the one at Chromosome 12 is not.
Here, Paul has a lot going on on his paternal DNA side. We see Emily again. This is the first yellow mapped DNA. This will represent either Richard Frazer or his wife.
Suzzanne and Paul Triangulate with Lorraine
This is potentially important as this DNA points to a common ancestor.
Next I look at Lorraine’s tree, to see if there are matches:
This tree does not go back as far as I would like. However, Paul, Lorraine and Cindy triangulate:
Cindy has a good tree. Her paternal tree has some Irish lines:
I see the Tighe name come up. This name has come up before in DNA matches. Perhaps Richard Frazer married a Tighe?
Here is another match that is closer to Suzanne:
Here, Paul, Suzanne and Douglas triangulate on Chromosome 12. Also Douglas shows a McMaster in his tree:
Douglas has that Catherine was from County Sligo:
Summary and Conclusions
- Because Suzzanne has tested her DNA at Ancestry and is also at MyHeritage, we have a lot of information about her DNA matches.
- From what I can tell, Suzzanne descends from the two brothers: Archibald and Richard Frazer born in the 1770’s. This is not unusual in Frazer genealogy
- I am a 5th cousin to Suzzanne, but we are still a DNA match
- Suzzanne’s Frazer ancestor Annie ended up in Scotland
- I looked at some DNA matches from MyHeritage. They may give some hints as to who Richard Frazer’s wife was.
- I was reminded of another common DNA match, Gary, who I would like to write about.
- Bottom line is that Suzzanne fits into the Frazer genealogy and DNA matching just as she should.