Joyce’s Trafton ThruLine

Joyce is my late father’s cousin. I was looking for possible connections on relatively obscure lines and found one ThruLine that Joyce has:

Joyce and nallen are potentially 6th cousins. Joseph Trafton was from Dighton, Massachusetts.

Joseph Trafton was married to Zipporah Talbot.

Joyce and nallen

I will create a floating tree for nallen and hopefully connect it later to my existing tree. nallen’s grandfather’s mother is listed on his death record:

This gets us back to Trafton.

Leila’s father appears to be a brick layer in 1860:

He was born about 1821 in Virginia. I just need to get from Walter back to Charles G Trafton who is in my tree.

I don’t mind borrowing from this source:

Findagrave.com has additional information:

Here is Camdem, NC:

Here is the final link:

I connected nallen to my tree:

Here we see a tale of two Traftons. Rebecca marries Benjamin Luther and remains in the Dighton area. Charles Gardner Trafton moves South to North Carolina.

A Small Trafton DNA/Genealogy Tree

Summary and Conclusions

  • I assume that Joseph Trafton and Zipporah Talbot had a small family.
  • This Blog was one of my easier ones. My job was to see if nallen and Joyce matched by genealogy as well as by DNA.
  • It is not clear why Charles Gardner moved South. Perhaps he was offered land for his service in the military during the Revolution.
  • The fact that Charles moved out of Massachusetts early on makes it more likely that this an accurate match between DNA and genealogy.

 

 

 

Burbank ThruLines

My Burbank ancestors go back too far to be covered by my own ThruLines. However, my father’s cousin Joyce shows some ThruLines for Burbank:

This appears to be new territory to look at.

Here is part of my great-granmother’s maternal line:

It shows that Timothy Burbank was married to Mercy Kempton.

Some Burbank Genealogy

Apparently Timothy Burbank was born in Boston in 1703. However, he married in Plymouth.

I have that Timothy’s father was born in Haverhill and that his grandfather was from Rowley.

Joyce and Donna

Donna’s tree goes back to Mary Burbank which is hopeful:

Donna’s tree shows Mary dying in Canada:

Mayflower Births and Deaths has this entry:

This leads to Register 59 from 1905:

This shows a strong link at the top of the tree. I note that families left not because they were unsympathetic to the Revolution, but because they could get free land. I also read that residents of this area became unsympathetic to the Revolution after being raided by Americans.

Now I will start at the more recent part of the tree. Here is the birth record for Donna’s father:

Cape Negro Island is not too far from Yarmouth which I cut off on the map. Shirley’s father Wilford was a fisherman which makes sense given the location that they lived.

The 1901 Census says the family was Baptist, Scottish and the father was a blacksmith. His wife is 37 and he has a daughter who is 27, so that suggests that this was a second marriage.

I think the red on the map is Jordan River. Here is the widowed Albert Morton in 1881:

I found this at Ancestry which apparently refers to FamilySearch:

Albert Edward was born in Liverpool:

His parents were James Roland and Katy S.? (transcribed as F.). James was a mason. This James would be the son of the Lucy mentioned in the New England Historic and Genealogical Register (NEHGR) above.

At this point, I connect my floating tree of Donna into my main tree:

A First Burbank DNA/Genealogy Tree

In my mind, the fact that Donna’s Burbank moved to Nova Scotia before the Revolution makes this DNA connection more likely.

Joyce and Douglas

Douglas could help fill out my Burbank DNA/Genealogy Tree. The 1910 Census has Douglas’ grandfather a physician in Gloucester in 1910:

The fact that the grandfather was from Canada is hopeful. Douglas’ grandfather’s marriage record is helpful:

It gives his birth place and parents’ names. Here is Milton, near Liverpool, NS:

Here is the family in 1891:

Richard was a Congragationalist who was listed as farmer and huntman. So far the tree is going well:

Findagrave.com has this information:

This research on Thomas Knowles was found at Ancestry:

This document was also helpful:

Based on this, I accepted the parent hints at Ancestry:

From there, I added Elizabeth Crowell and linked Elizabeth Burbank to the Timothy Burbank I already had in my tree.

Here, the Burbank DNA/Genealogy Tree gets a little more width:

It turns out that Douglas has small DNA matches to two of my siblings.

Joyce and F.M.

The paternal side of FM’s tree is from Nova Scotia. I have had success so far with Joyce’s Burbank ThruLines. As usual, I start a floating tree for F.M. F.M. has a small tree at Ancestry:

Here is the family in 1921:

John was Scottish and the Town Clerk. However it is Mattie I am interested in.

Here is Mattie’s family in 1901 in Brooklyn, NS:

ThruLines wants me to go with Mattie’s mother Gertrude at this point and then Gertrude’s father. Gertrudes grave stone has her maiden name:

Gertrude’s father was a Baptist blacksmith:

Based on this, I’ll accept the Ancestry hint of Theodosius as Gertrude’s father.

Hannah Burbank

At this point, I look at the family from near the top of the ThruLines:

Hannah marries in Plymouth in 1758. That means that the above Theodosius must have been named for his grandfather. The easiest reference I can find to fill in the blank is this:

Adoriam Judson caught my eye. I assume that Theodosius was a fan of the missionary:

Next, I just need to connect John Ford to his parents in my tree and connect the floating tree.

Here is the big picture:

I am pretty confident with this DNA/Genealogy Tree. However, having said that, I realize that many from Colonial Massachusetts moved to this area. So other connections are possible. At this distant relationship, it would be extremely tedious to check out all possibilities.

Summary and Conclusions

  • It appears that all of Joyce’s Timothy Burbank ThruLines check out.
  • At first it appeared that these were the only possible connections. However, with the emmigration patterns from Massachusetts, there could be other connections. Still this is a good list. This is because my ancestor Lucy Burbank’s three siblings moved to this area in Nova Scotia
  • I had not known about this immigration pattern before, so it is interesting. I’m sure this move was meant to increase personal wealth – or so it seems.
  • It would interesting to check the actual DNA matches and where they occur. However, that is not possible with Ancestry. Ancestry is good with making genealogical connections but does not have Chromosome Browser.

DNA and the Stuart Line

I originally was writing on my Hartley X-DNA, but the Blog morphed more into DNA and the Stuart Line.

X-DNA is somewhat of a compicated subject in that the X Chromosome is never passed down from father to son. I tried working on my wife’s French Canadian X-DNA and found that complicated also – mostly due to the inter-related gn:ealogy.

My Father’s Cousin Joyce

The only X-DNA match I have for Joyce is on her paternal side:

That is the side not related to me.

However, I notice that Joyce has a match with another of my father’s cousin who is Maury:

Actually, there are three matches. Let’s see who these represent.

The common ancestor between Maury and Joyce has to be their maternal grandparents. The DNA could have come from either James Hartley or Annie Louisa Snell (or a mixture of the two between the three segments).

Pink on pink is not the best color, but it will do for now. The match is from Gedmatch which is my only choice as I tested Joyce at Ancestry and Ancestry does not report X-DNA.

Here is another from one of my second cousins. Her X-DNA would go back to the same couple. Her grandmother was a Hartley so she would have received her X-DNA from either James Hartley or Annie Snell:

Beth’s match with Joyce adds some more Hartley and/or Snell X-DNA to right side of Joyce’s profile:

There is another 2nd cousin at Gedmatch, but that would only add more of the same.

My Sister Heidi and Likely Stuart DNA

Heidi matches Charlene at Gedmatch:

That is interesting as it should give a hint as to how they are related due to X-DNA inheritance patterns. In a 2019, I suggested this connection with Charlene, based on triangulation of X Chromosome matches:

Based on the above image, I suggested that the common ancestor was Margaret Stewart as there was no X-DNA passed down from Michael Frazer to his son Archibald. However, in a Blog I wrote earlier this year, I put Charlene on a different part of the Frazer Branch:

This change was based on ThruLines between Charlene and Joanna and the extensive genealogy work that Joanna has done on the Frazer family. At first, it is not clear how an X-DNA match could fit in here, but here is Joanna’s tree:

Joanna and Charlene descend from Archibald Frazer II, but they also descend from Anne Palmer. And Anne Palmer’s mother was a Stewart. Joanna further has this in her tree:

Joanna has that my ancestor Margaret Stewart was a daughter of Thomas Stewart. That means that assuming this scenario is right, the common ancestor between my sister Heidi and Charlene by X-DNA would be Thomas Stewart born in 1725.

Based on that, I will add Heidi’s match with Charlene to her DNA profile. This is what I have currently for Heidi on her X Chromosome:

Heidi has a paternal X match with Emily and several matches on her maternal X Chromosme. The match with Emily goes back to 1846 on the McMaster side. Frazer and hence Stewart are on the Frazer side. Here is the updated match:

Above, I have filtered for just the paternal matches. Here is the likely connection for the X-DNA matches:

My Cousin Paul and Stuart Genealogy

Here is how Paul matches Charlene:

Here is Paul mapped with Charlene on Chromosome 9:

Interestingly, Paul makes a connection to Charlene and BV similar to the one my sister Heidi makes on her X-DNA. I take that connection to go back to Thomas Stuart of 1725 and his wife. This identifies the BV, Sharon and Michele DNA as from along the Stuart Line also.

I had to look up Michele and found her on one of my DNA/Genealogy Charts:

Paul does not have X-DNA of interest to me because his father was a Frazer, so no Frazer X-DNA was passed down to him.

Paul’s Autosomal DNA

Here is what I have now for Paul:

I need to modify the top as this could also be Thomas Stuart and his wife. When I check Gedmatch, this is Paul’s match with Jonathan:

This was missed previously somehow. Perhaps different tests gave slightly different results. Here, I add Jonathan to Paul’s Chromosome 5:

Stuart and McPartland

I have long pondered the McPartland family and how they fit in with the Frazers. It appears that they have a connection with the Stuart family. I already showed how Charlene descends from the McPartland Line.

I don’t see Karen anymore at Gedmatch, but from a 2017 Blog I wrote, I see that my sister Heidi and Karen had this X-DNA match:

I have never added this information manually, but it’s not too late to learn:

Here I have added Karen and Chris (though they came out quite large):

Sharon and Charlene

From my 2017 Blog, I see I mentioned that my sister Sharon matches Charlene:

Here I have added Charlene to Sharon’s DNA profile using DNA Painter:

Here the DNA is ‘walked back’ from Paul and his McMaster ancestor, to Michele with Margaret Stewart ancestor (married to Michale Frazer) to Charlene who has an ancestor who was the sister of Margaret Stuart.

People Who Match Sharon and Karen

I used a comparison tool at Gedmatch:

Sharon and Karen

Sharon and Karen also match on Chromosome 9:

Adding this result to Chromosome 9 on Sharon’s profile is interesting:

 

Note that there is a break where Charlene’s match stops and Karen stops. That likely represents what I call a crossover. That crossover could be the difference between Thomas Stuart born 1725 and his wife. I don’t know which is which but I think one segment belongs to the husband Stuart and one to the wife.

Sharon and Brian

I was able to find the match between Brian and Sharon at Ancestry:

He shows having our common ancestors as Michael Frazer, but I no longer believe that to be correct. Brian should be in this box with Chris and Karen:

Sharon and Brian’s Shared Matches

The other interesting thing about Brian is that because he tested at Ancestry, he has shared matches with Sharon. One of those shared matches is also on the McPartland Line:

I hope this theory is right, because I have had many other theories about where the McPartlands fit in with my genealogy that have seemed to be wrong.

Patrice: Shared Match with Brian and Sharon

Ancestry has what I would call a wild guess as to how these two may connect:

This is where I had previously placed Patrice on my Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart:

I think that my tree is the more correct one.

Jonathan and Jonathan

By my recollection, my brother Jonathan matches Frazer researcher Joanna’s brother:

By the Frazer Line these two would be fifth cousins twice removed. However, by the Stuart Line:

Also 5th cousins twice removed. However, I suppose that based on the genealogy, there was twice as much chance that the two Jonathans would match each other at this distant relationship.

Here, I have mapped Joanna’s brother onto my brother’s DNA profile:

In the key I have noted that the match could be Frazer, Fitzgerald or Stuart. It could also be from the unknown wife of Thomas Stuart. Or, the match could even be from another unknown line. However, I am sticking to what I think I know. It may be possible to know where that match comeps from if there were more overlapping matches. Paul’s match overlaps, but he also descends from McMaster and Frazer. If there was an overlap that was just McMaster, I would say the Jonathan DNA would be Stuart. If the and overlap was with someone with just Frazer ancetry, I would say the common ancestor DNA would be Frazer/Fitzgerald.

The Two Jonathans’ Shared Matches

Here is the shared list at Gedmatch:

I am interested in Bonnie as I know of her. Although she shows as a match at Gedmatch, she does not show as a match at Ancestry.

Bonnie also has Stewart and Frazer ancestry:

That means that any match that my family has with her could equally be on the Frazer side or Stuart side.

Bonnie shows as a 4th cousin once removed to my family. DNA matching with Bonnie could be from either the Frazer side or Stuart side. Here is my brother’s match with Bonnie:

Here is Bonnie’s Frazer or Stuart DNA added to my brother Jon’s DNA profile:

Paul and Jonathan’s Shared Matches

Here is what they look like at Gedmatch:

One name that caught my eye is Gail.

Gail is in one of the boxes with a different color. Gail’s line goes through Archibald born about 1792 who married Anne Palmer. That puts her in the category of one who could be related on the Frazer side or the Stuart side. Here is how she matches Paul:

This match fills in a gap in Paul’s DNA profile on Chromosome 12:

There are no overlapping matches in that area, so this may represent Frazer, Fitzgerald, Stuart or wife of Stuart DNA.

Paul and Joanna

Joanna is a good choice as she has shared her Ancestry results with me.

Here I see Gail again, and I recognize Bob:

Bob is one of those matches that has a chance of matching Paul doubly.

Here I add Bob in one of the places where he and Paul could match on the Stuart Line:

 

Also I recognize kimac who my notes say is Rodney on my tree: and a brother to Gail. He will map with Gail, but I will add him.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I started out looking at my family’s Hartley X-DNA connections
  • This quickly lead to my Frazer side as X-DNA stops at my father’s father.
  • However, it occurs to me that if I looked at my father’s two cousins’ X-DNA results, it may result in something as their mothers were Hartleys and the X-DNA would continue on.
  • This Blog continues to enforce the fact that I have Stuart ancestors. Those ancestors are on my Frazer side who were ancestors of my McMaster ancestors.
  • There is still room for more research on Hartley X-DNA and Stuart DNA and genealogy.

 

My Wife’s French Canadian DNA

My most recent Blog on this topic appears to be from April 2022. The best way to update my wife’s French Canadian DNA is through her late father and two late Aunts using DNA Painter.

A Summary to Date

Richard is 45% filled in on his maternal French Candadian side, which is pretty good. This includes 5 ancestors on his LeFevre side and 7 ancestors on his Pouliot side.

Lorraine is 40% filled in on her French Canadian side. She has 6 LeFevre side ancestors mapped and 5 Pouliot side ancestors mapped.

Aunt Suzy or Virginia is 37% filled in on her French Canadian side. She only shows DNA matches from descendants from two Pouliot ancestors and 5 LeFevre ancestors.

Here, I have summed up the ancestors mapped:

I short-cutted and didn’t write down the spouses for all the male ancestors. The DNA could have just as easily come from the spouse in any case.

X Chromosome

I notice that there are not a lot of matches on the X Chromosome. Perhaps I can fill in some blanks by looking there. The only place I have available for that is from FTDNA and Gedmatch.

First, I’ll try Lorraine at FTDNA. Lorraine’s closest X DNA matches there either do not have trees or do not have useful trees.

Lorraine and Elizabeth

Elizabeth has this tree:

However, unlike Ancestry and MyHeritage, FTDNA does not suggest common ancestors. It appears that there could be a Tremblay connection. However, the X-DNA inheritance shows that it cannot be through Jean-Baptiste:

The X-DNA Lines of inheritance must one of the following:

  • Jette
  • Deschenes
  • Sasseville
  • Munger
  • Cote
  • Gauthier
  • Larouche
  • Fillion

Munger brings us back here:

Further, on the Tremblay Line:

These are two common ancestors which are supported by the X-DNA inheritance. Here is Aunt Lorraine’s Tree:

However, let’s check Aunt Lorraine’s X-DNA inheritance:

If this is the connection, the X-DNA would have to be from Madeline Bouchard. Unfortunately, I have not checked other possibilities:

Here is Cote:

This exercise is becoming cumbersome. This is why Ancestry and MyHeritage have an advantage in that they suggest common ancestors. As I know there is a possible connection to Madeleine Bouchard, I would like to assume that she is the correct connection.

Here is the DNA match between Lorraine and Elizabeth:

One problem with the match on Chromosomes 14 and 17 is that my analysis above was just for X-DNA. The autosomal matches open up many other possibilities. For now, I will just look at the X-DNA match. Here is the X-DNA match:

This one X-DNA match brings Lorriane up to 42% of her maternal side DNA identified versus a previous amount of 42% identified. I feel like I had some success with this approach, so I will try one more X-DNA match.

Lorraine and Jane

Jane has a pretty good tree, so I will look at her match with Lorraine:

I have outlined Jane’s possible routes of connection with Lorraine. Based on the sound of the surnames, I would go with Roy, Gauthier or Lamott aka Lamoth. Jane’s tree does not go far beyond these names, so I will skip this match for now.

Lorraine at MyHeritage

I am looking for easy answers, so I will try MyHeritage’s Theories of Family Relativity. Next, I will sort by most recent:

Sylvie has four ways she could match Lorraine, but those ways are all similar. I’m willing to add Sylvie to my tree to see if she fits in. Here is Theory #1 between Lorraine and Sylvie:

It looks like this would take a while to confirm, so I will move on to the next Theory:

Martine’s Tree at MyHeritage continues on with Tremblay rather than having a Rochefort in there:

I’ll add Martine to my tree in hopes that she will connect. Here is the baptismal record for Martine’s father:

I’m not sure if this is the right place:

Here is the 1931 Census, a year before Martine’s father was born. I think this is the right place:

In 1931, the family lived in Jonquiere:

Apparently, there was more than one Lace Kenogami in Canada.

Looking back 40 years, I take this to be Cleopas as a small child:

In 1891, Cleopas was not as far North:

Cleopas and his father Lin were both journaliers or day workers.

20 years earlier in 1871, LIn was in the same place:

I see that LIn’s parents were Frederick and Angelique. Here is Lin’s marriage record:

Frederick was a farmer or cultivateur. This source at Ancestry seems a bit off:

This would mean that Frederic married when he was 10 years old. Here is part of the marriage record for Frederic and Angelique from 1837:

Unfortunately, I do not see that part that says who his parents were.

More on Frederic Tremblay

Here is one:

Frederic married in Baie-St-Paul, so this is a possibility:

Here is the 1826 marriage to Flavie Girard:

Further, I have determined that this Frederic is likely not the same Frederic who married Angelique Menard. As I mentioned above, this would assume that Frederic married at the age of 10, but here is called majeur which means he would be of legal marrying age without further consent of his parents. While I do not know that age – it may be 21 – it was surely more than 10 years old! On the other hand, Flavie in this record was not of the legal age: mineur. She would have needed the consent of her parents.

This tells me that I want to disregard the Ancestry suggestion for the father of Frederic Tremblay:

Here is another possibility:

Here is the 1861 Census:

I don’t know who Venerande Tremblay was. Jean Minard could have been a brother to Angelique.

Expanding the Theory

I can choose the full Theory between Lorraine and Martine. At the top, it looks like this:

There are a lot of problems with this expanded Theory. First Frederick’s dates are between 1790 and 1863. However, here he is in 1881 with his extended family:

Further, his Census ages have him consistently born right around 1815.  Further, it appears that the woman in the Theory who is Marie Bouliane had tow husbands. Yet she has a child by the second husband while the first is still alive. All this, plus there is another Tremblay in the line: Lidia. I’ll move on.

Lorraine and Claude

The Theory looks straightforward.

I started a tree for Claude. I assume that he knew his grandparents or of them and added his paternal grandmother as suggested by Ancestry. Here is the family in Montreal in 1921. Emile’s father was from France:

Apparently, there is a sister Lucie on the next page of the Census.

In 1891, Eugenie lived in Magog Village:

Her father was a Carpenter:

Here is the tree I have so far:

In order to check the Theory, I will be following Marie Lavoie who looks to have the maiden name of Gagnon. This is likely the marriage record from 1857:

The location is Les-Eboulements, Quebec:

This is not far from Baie-Saint-Paul where I was looking not too long ago for a specific Tremblay family. As the names in the marriage record match with the suggested parents at Ancestry, I will accept the Ancestry hint:

 

Oops, I actually need to follow Michel Lavoie:

I don’t get the same hint for Michel, but based on his marriage record, his father is Laurent Lavoie and his mother is Marie Boivin. Here is the Lavoie family in 1851:

I was able to find an 1828 marriage record for Laurent and Marie:

The original transcription is Laurent Larvia, but that was corrected to Laurent Lavoie. His parents are Michel and Marie Gagnais which I would take to be equivalent to Gagne.

Using the same logic as above, I will accept the Ancestry hints:

Next, I am really hoping that there is a connection:

However, there is also Gagnon which I assume to be different than Gagne and also another Simard Line.

At this point, Marie is in a published document:

Making the Connection

This Genealogical Dictionary makes the connection. I have also added Marie’s siblings. Unfortunately, I do not see my wife’s ancestor Alexis Lavoie born in 1780. However, I believe that I have the right information.

I now have this tree:

I need to merge this couple with the other couple of the same name in my tree. I go to tools:

It was difficult to find Jean Baptiste due to whether the name is hyphenated or has markes on the vowels. After merging Jean Baptiste and his wife, I get this:

Unfortunately, those added from the genealogical dictionary had no sex and were shown as living in many cases. Here is an update of my wife’s tree:

It turns out that the link on my wife’s side was not well documented as I was depending on one of my wife’s relative’s research. I have had to update my wife’s side also.

Finally, the DNA

Here is Claude’s DNA match with Lorraine:

I’m suspicious with all that DNA that there could be matches on other lines. However, I will add this DNA to Lorraine’s profile as if it were all from the common ancestral couple to see how it works out.

First, on Chromosome 6, the match looks right as Gagne/Simard is back from the Pouliot side of Lorraine’s ancestry.

Chromosome 9 is a problem:

From visual phasing, I show that Lorraine has Lefevre DNA before position 119 (million). The match between Lorraine and Claude is before that point:

The match is between about 104 and 114 million.

Chromosome 12 is also a problem:

After position 12, Lorraine has Lefevre DNA. So after all that work, only one of the three segments were mapped correctly. And even that mapping is not certain. We just know that it is from the right side of the family.

Summary and Conclusions

  • In this Blog, I wanted to update my wife’s French Canadian DNA
  • In looking at my wife’s two aunts, it appeared that they were missing mapping on their X-DNA.
  • This can only be had from FTDNA or 23andMe and the aunts did not test at 23andMe.
  • FTDNA is difficult to work with on the genealogical side.
  • Due to X-DNA inheritance patterns, there is a narrowing down between both matches as to where the common ancestors could be. This fact can be helpful.
  • I was able to find one match with Lorraine where I couild find a likely common ancestor. I mapped that to Lorraine’s profile using DNA Painter.
  • I then tried to find common ancestors of Lorraine with DNA matches using MyHeritage’s Theories of Relativity
  • These did not work that great – at least with Lorraine’s French Canadian ancestry. This ancestry contains a lot of possible common ancestors.
  • After much genealogical checking, I found one match with possible common ancestors. The match, Claude, had three matching segments with Lorraine. However, after mapping, it was found that two of the three matches could not be with the common ancestors identified.
  • I think that if I persue updating the DNA again, I may stick with the X-DNA.

My Pastor’s Knarr Genealogy

Previously, I looked into my Pastor’s Gray genealogy. In this Blog, I’ll take a look at his Knarr genealogy:

Frances Ruth Knarr was my Pastor’s paternal grandmother. Here is Frances’ birth certificate:

She was born to a miner in Big Run, Pennsylvania:

Big Run is close to Punxatawney.

It is difficult to make out Frances’ name in the 1910 Census, but it is transcribed as Sadie:

We learn further that her father was a coal miner.

Here is Ruth in 1925:

Here is Ruth the following year at her Indiana, Pennsylvania School:

This appears to be a sample of her handwriting. There seemed to be several different ways to write her last name.  Ruth must be about 16 at this time. A few years later, Ruth or Frances made the Punxatawney News:

I suppose that people did not shop as often in those days.

Here is more news for Frances:

Ambridge is a place near Pittsburg – also near where the family was living in 1940. I wonder if the couple eloped as Greensburg is quite distant from Big Run:

There is also no mention of a wedding party. Here is the Gray couple in 1930:

They are living with Frances’ mother who was divorced and going by her maiden name of Weber.

Here is the couple in 1940:

They now have four children and live in Baden, Pennsylvania where Melvin is a laborer for a steel company.

In 1950 Melvin is an insulator for a refrigeration company and the family is living in Bell Township:

Not long after this, the family was back in Punxatawny:

Frances passed away in 1997 in Punxatawny:

She is buried in Big Run:

Clarence Emmanuel Knarr Born 1876

During the Draft Registration for the First World War, Clarence was a farmer in Troutville, Pennsylvania:

Troutville was not far from Big Run:

Clarence was of medium height and build and had gray eyes and light hair:

Here is a photo:

Clarence’s hair does not look very light, but perhaps this is an earlier photo.

Clarence married Emma Weber in 1904. The marriage was performed by a Justice of the Peace:

Here is Clarence in 1880:

The family lived in Brady Township which included Troutville. Three of Clarence’s grandparents were born in Bavaria:

Clarence’s father was a farmer in 1880.

The 1900 Census is a bit confusing:

An immigration year is given, but it must be for the parents as it is before Jacob and Louisa were born.

Clarence is living by himself in 1920 and listed as divorced:

There is a 70 year old Emiline Knarr living next to him. Clarence’s occupation is a coal loader. In 1930, Clarence is still by himself but now a farm laborer:

In 1950, Clarence is still alone, but listed as a widower:

Clarence dies two years later at the age of 76 from heart related issues:

Clarence was buried at the United Church of Christ Cemetery:

Jacob George Knarr Born 1850

In 1860 Jacob was likely living in an Inn as his father was an Inn Keeper:

I assume that they lived in Troutville as that was where the local Post Office was according to the 1860 Census. Jacob’s father was born in Germany. There is no age listed for Margaret, so there is some confusion as to who she is. George and Louisa Knarr are the next listed couple on the Census and they are listed as being 71 and 69 years old.

Here is the 1870 Census showing two Knarr families living next to each other:

We now see that Margaret was Adam’s wife. Jacob is a farm laborer. Jacob’s father Adam has extensive real etate holdings worth $10,000 and is now a farmer. He says that he was born in Wurtemburg:

Apparently, this was a Kingdom that bordered on Bavaria on its Eastern and Southern borders.

In 1880, Jacob is now married with children as a farmer. His sister-in-law is living with the family:

In 1910, Jacob is living with his wife:

Jacob was buried in a Lutheran Cemetery:

From findagrave.com:

Jacob George Knarr was the son of George Adam Knaff b. 17 Mar 1827 in Gersbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany and Anna Margaret Kuhnley b. 30 Oct 1827 in Westmoreland Co., PA

He married his first wife Margaret Barto born About 1850, They had a son they named George Jacob Knarr Jr.

He married Maria Louisa “Louisa” Keller on 11 Sep 1873 in PA and they had 4 children they named: Clarence Emanuel, Margaretha Luella, Mary Louise and Wilhelmine Anna Knarr.

George Adam Knarr Born 1827

Here is what I have so far:

One account I read described George Adam as a picturesque figure. Thanks again to findagrave.com, I have a photo:

According to the 1900 Census, Adam immigrated in the year 1831:

If that is correct, he would have been quite young at the time. Based on a birth year of 1827, he would have been 4 or based on the Census, he would have been aboiut 8.

I was able to find and online version of the 1887 History of Clearfield County Pennsylvania:

 The dwelling houses in those pioneer days were little better than “shanties.” It is true there were openings for windows and doors, before which sheets and blankets were hung, as boards were not to be had, as no saw-mills existed. Consequently floors were rare, or did not exist. The roofs were made of split shingles, or clap-boards, held in place by good sized logs known as weight poles. In I832 the Knarr residence, the first house, where Troutville now stands, was built; it was probably as good as most in the township; it was made of hewn logs, clap-board roof, no second floor or ceiling, a hole in the apex and centre, as to length of the roof, for the smoke to escape. This house had a ground floor, made by placing cross pieces between the “sleepers,” close together, so as to hold a layer of clay mortar, which, packed solid and smoothed over and allowed to dry, made a firm and warm floor, which had the advantage, by virtue of its material, to escape scrubbing. The idea of this kind of floor was taken from the old German method of stucco work, similar to old time German threshing floors (not a nail used). Within a stone’s-throw of the site of this pioneer cabin is the modern residence of H. E. Ginter, having all the modern conveniences of steam heat, hot and cold water throughout the entire house; make the comparison between the two, and the vast improvement since then, will strongly impress us that the world moves. Prior to the location of the Knarr cabin, between the years 1821 and 1824, or near those dates, the first settlers located in the southern part of Brady township; 

Societies

Literary and debating societies found favor prior to 186o. Troutville and vicinity had a debating club (German) which used to meet at the Black Horse Tavern, kept by Adam Knarr, prior to 186o, and discussed such weighty (?) questions as: Which is the mother of the chick, the hen which laid the egg, or the one that hatched it? and, Which is the stronger element” fire or water? etc. During the winter of 1868 or ’69 there was a society organized at Luthersburg, having physical and mental improvement in view. This society had the spacious title of United Brethren of Progress. Then, shortly after (winter of 1869″70) Troutville supported a literary society in which Jno. Carlile, Henry Sykes, sr., L. Schuch, S. G. Kuntz, P. S. Weber, J. C. Keller, J. M. Carlile and others took an active part. The question: “Resolved, that woman shall be granted equal rights with man,” attracted considerable attention in the earnest and able manner in which this debate was conducted. From this period to the present time, literary societies both at Luthersburg and Troutville are kept in operation, and maintaining a high standard. I. 0. 0. F.  Mingle Lodge No. 753, I. 0. 0. F., was instituted at Troutville, February 17, 1871, with the following charter members: H. E. Ginter, noble grand; H. W. Schoch, vice-grand; J. C. Keller, secretary; J. M. Miller, assistant secretary; George Knarr, treasurer; William Null, Charles Miller, Sr., Israel Frantz and P. B. Weaver. The lodge was moved to Luthersburgh November 17, 1871, on account of the smallness of the hail at Troutviile, but was removed to the latter place August 2, 1884, occupying their new and commodious hail, owned by the order; membership in good standing, 49; lodge in flourishing condition; no debts, and handsome surplus in the treasury. Good Templars.   This temperance society flourished in the township from 1868 to 1870, but finally lost prestige and ceased to exist.

Hotels

The first tavern, as hotels were then called, was opened by Lebbeus Luther shortly after settling at Luthersburgh, in 1820. Later he sold to Jacob Flick, who continued in the business until about 1839, when Joseph Fulton succeeded him. Fulton was followed by. William Irvin, and he by P. W. Barrett. The lower house, where D. Goodlander’s “Merchants” Hotel now stands, was first kept by Conrad Best, followed by Judge William Foley. Foley was followed by Daniel Barrett, and he by his son, Lewis. George W. Long kept what is to-day known as the Schwem House. In 1863 lie was followed by the Evanses, and they by the present proprietor, William Schwem, Jr. In 1863 to 1864 Frederick Korb kept what was known as the Eagle Hotel, now occupied as a tenement and office. In about 1853 Wilson Moore built the “Merchant’s” (now Goodlander’s). Moore was succeeded by Wallace & Shaw, they by David Johnston, Johnston by James Zeigler, he by H. Wittenmyer, when it finally passed into the hands of D. Goodlander, the present owner, who keeps it as a temperance house. In 1855 Henry Goodlander took charge of the old “Salem” tavern, succeeding Thomas Montgomery. Mr. Goodlander kept this well known hostelry until his death (1883). In 1845 Jacob Trautwein started the first hotel at Troutville. About 185? he sold to William Schwem, Sr., Schwem sold to Frederick Zeigler, he to George Knarr, the present owner. This house is now occupied as a dwelling. The second hotel was started in 1854 by Adam Knarr, known as the “Black Horse Tavern.” The “Traveler’s Home” stands on the site of the old tavern, and is owned by Adam Knarr. It was an extremely difficult task to secure data on this subject, and may be defective on that account. As a reminiscence it may be remarked: Little or no beer was sold prior to 1860, and whisky was served in tumblers at three cents a glass.

According to the findagrave.com entry for Jacob Knarr above, George Adam Knarr was born in Gersbach, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany:

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Gersbach is not far from the French border.

Here is George in 1850:

Johann George Knarr Born 1789

George or Johann George was the first to bring his family to the Pennsylvania. We find out about George’s arrival in another biography of his son Adam:

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This 1898 biography is quite extensive and the reader may refer to the link above if interested. Here is Warren, Pennsylvania mentioned in the article:

Ancestry gives this hint for George’s Baptismal record:

I don’t think that Knerren is right. It should be Knerr.

Pirmasens appears to be close to where we were looking earlier in Germany:

Here is a closer view:

According to Wikipedia:

Pirmasens is an independent town in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany, near the border with France. It was famous for the manufacture of shoes. The surrounding rural district was called Landkreis Pirmasens from 1818 until 1997, when it was renamed to Südwestpfalz

Going Further

I have not done my own research into the German background of the Knerr surname. I have just accepted suggestions from Ancestry which uses online trees. This tree has a different name:

However, the Germans tended to have a lot of names. He could have been Johann Georg Andreas.

It would be intersting to accept the hints to see where they take us. This tree has:

This shows the Knerr family in Winzeln:

This tree (right or wrong) has the Knerr family in Switzerland going back to the 1500s:

If the tree is right, Theordore was the one who moved from Switzerland to Primasens:

According to Wikipedia:

Nennigkofen is a former municipality in the district of Bucheggberg, in the canton of Solothurn, Switzerland. On 1 January 2013, Lüsslingen and Nennigkofen merged to form Lüsslingen-Nennigkofen.[1]

This would have been a considerable way to travel for this family:

Summary and Conclusions

  • I was able to find a coal miner’s daughter in my pastor’s genealogy.
  • Frances Ruth Knarr’s parents divorced. It may be possible to find the details of this divorce in County records.
  • The Knarr’s moved from Germany and were early settlers of Troutville, Pennsylvania.
  • One early Troutville Knarr was an Inn or Tavern Keeper.
  • In Germany, the family lived in the Primasens area, not too far from the border of France.
  • In Germany, the name was originally Knerr.
  • The family has possible roots going back to the 1500’s in Switzerland.

 

Some Gray Genealogy

My Pastor is a Gray and we went on a trip to Africa together. I said that I could look into his genealogy a bit if he would like. He mentioned that there were parts of his genealogy that he would be interested in. I started working on his genealogy on my phone, but it is easier to do research on a computer.

Here is how far I got doing research on my phone on my trip to Africa:

Pastor Joel’s four ancestral lines are:

  1. Gray
  2. Knarr
  3. Garlow
  4. Spohn

These ancestors were in Pennsylvania from my recollection.

The Gray Line

Melvin Emerson Gray – born 1906

I’ll start with Melvin Emerson Gray. Here are his basics:

I have that Melvin was born in Big Run, Pennsylvania. Here is Melvin in 1910:

Melvin went by Emerson to distinguish him from his father. Melvin’s grandparents were also from Pennsylvania. So the Grays had deep roots there. Melvin’s father Melvin was a painter. Here is Big Run, outside of Punxutawney:

Fast forward to 1950  and here is Melvin:

Melvin is an insulator at a refrigeration plant. He lives on a dirt road in Bell, PA with his wife and six children.

Melvin Odell Gray – Born 1885

I’ll start at Melvin’s end. Here is his death certificate:

Here is the McClure Cemetery noted in the Death Certificate:

Sadly, Melvin Odell died at the age of 30 of chronic alcoholism. This must have been difficult on his family. That means that his son, Melvin Emerson was 10 when his father died. Here is the family in 1920:

Nettie was working at a laundry to support the family.

Here is Melvin Odell in 1900 in Big Run:

Melvin Odell’s mother was also a widow. So here was another single parent family. Melvin’s older brother was working as a day laborer supporting the family. I’m sure that Melvin didn’t realize at this time that nearly half his life was over.

Enoch George Gray – Born 1831

The 1890 Census is missing, so the last Census Enoch is in is the 1880 Census:

Enoch was a carpenter. Both of his parents and his wife’s parents were born in Pennsylvania. This means that Melvin Odell was born when his father was about 52 and his mother about 42. Here is a fuzzy photo of Enoch from Ancestry.com:

Here is the 1870 Census:

I note the Yohe name above which is a Gray family name. Also note that the value of the house and property varied quite a bit between the Yohe family and the Gray family.

Enoch served in the Civil War:

This note appeared to the right of the record:

It appears that he was in Monroe, VA:

Here is a further report on the Regiment:

UNION PENNSYLVANIA VOLUNTEERS

206th Regiment, Pennsylvania Infantry

OVERVIEW:
Organized at Pittsburg September, 1864. Left State for City Point, Va., September 9. Attached to Provisional Brigade, Defences of Bermuda Hundred, Army of the James, to October, 1864. 3rd Brigade, 1st Division, 10th Corps, Army James, to December, 1864. 3rd Brigade, 1st Division, 24th Army Corps, to June, 1865.
SERVICE:
Duty with Engineer Corps engaged in fatigue duty at Dutch Gap, Va., till October 26, 1864. Duty in trenches before Richmond north of the James till April, 1865. Occupation of Richmond April 3. (Temporarily attached to Devens’ 3rd Division, March 27 to April 22.) Provost duty at Richmond till May. At Lynchburg and Richmond till June. Mustered out June 26, 1865.

Regiment lost during service 1 Enlisted man killed and 29 Enlisted men by disease. Total 30.

It is interesting that more were lost to disease than to battle. Fortunately, Pastor Joel’s ancestor survived his sickness. Much more information can be found on Wikipedia including:

After the breakthrough, the 206th was among the first units to march into Richmond unopposed on 3 April,[1] to discover that the Confederate forces had evacuated.

Here is Enoch’s Veteran Burial Card:

So while Enoch’s son only lived a short life, Enoch lived to 63 and died with money as seen by the probate records:

Benjamin Lever Gray – Born 1807

The link between Enoch and his father Benjamin is in the 1850 Census. That year was the earliest Census with family information:

Here we see that Benjamin had at least 10 children. The Census does not state specifically that all these people were Benamin’s children, but that is generally assumed to be the case. Before 1850, it is more difficult to figure out the family connections. Here is Pine:

It is on the other side of Punxutawney compared to Big Run. Here is Benjamin’s grave stone:

Here is some more information:

Benjamin’s mother’s maiden name was his middle name. Mercer is to the North of Pittsburgh:

In 1860 Benjamin was a teamer in Henderson:

My interpretation is that he drove a team of horses which were hauling a heavy load. However, the transcription says Farmer, so I will defer to that. Looks like a fancy ‘F’. Henderson is just to the North of current Big Run.

Adam Gray Born 1775

With Adam, it gets interesting as he was born just before the birth of our Nation. Ancestry shows three trees for Adam Gray. The first two show him born in Maryland:

The third tree has him born in Pennsylvania:

The War of 1812

There is a record of two Adam Grays from this period:

The second on the list appears to be an Adam A Gray. It is possible that neither is the one we are interested in. If I were to pick one, I would take the first, as I am not aware of a middle initial for this Adam of interest. Unfortunately, it appears that the first Adam deserted after camping near Buffalo:

Peter Gray Sr. Born 1745

This Gray is of interest as we would like to find an ancestor of Pastor Gray who served in the Revolutionary War. According to WikiTree:

Peter Gray was among the first settlers of Patton Township, Centre County, Pennsylvania.

The Peter Gray family and the Conrad Hartsock family were the earliest settlers to the area. They came to the Half Moon Valley in 1788, from Frederick County, Maryland, and settled in what is now Patton Township. The early days were strongly influenced by the Methodism. As soon as Peter Gray had a roof on his log cabin, he began Sunday School classes, and founded what is today Grays United Methodist Church.

Here is Patton Township:

There is even a Graysdale there. This must be the mecca for every Gray descendant. Here is Patton Township in relation to Pittsburgh:

Here is the citation of Patton Township from Wikipedia:

Patton Township was established in 1794 and named after Colonel John Patton, a revolutionary officer, who co-owned the Centre Furnace, along with Colonel Samuel Miles. The Peter Gray family and the Conrad Hartsock family were the earliest settlers to the area. They came to the Half Moon Valley in 1788, from Frederick County, Maryland, and settled in what is now Patton Township. The early days were strongly influenced by Methodism. As soon as Peter Gray had a roof on his log cabin, he began Sunday School classes, and founded what is today Grays United Methodist Church. These settlers also made pilgrimages to church at Warriors Mark, a 12-mile distance, because that was the nearest regular preaching point in the valley.[3] Iron mining was begun in the early days of Patton Township, affording supply of ore for Centre Furnace. Scotia mines are located in this township, which is still rich in iron ore.[4]

John Gray Born 1725

There is some confusion as to where John Gray was born. The candidates are Lancaster, PA, England, Netherlands and Germany. I am tending to favor Germany. It is believed that the original name was Krey (or some version thereof).

Here is a picture of what I have so far;

Here is what I have for the earliest Gray:

However, the Netherlands may or may not be right. One family legend has them from England.

Gray DNA

At this point, it would be helpful if DNA could give us some hints as to the origin of this Line of the Gray family. It is likely that there are many unrelated ‘clans’ of Grays as could be seen by a DNA study. FTDNA which is a DNA testing company has a YDNA Family Group for the Gray Family. YDNA tests just the male line of DNA, so it is ideal for surname studies.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I attempted to start a genealogy of my Pastor’s Gray family
  • I got back to the 1700’s to John Gray born 1725.
  • Before that the picture is a bit less clear.
  • Genealogical testing could help in getting an idea of where the Gray family goes beyond that.
  • The male Gray line is one fourth of Pastor Joel’s genealogy.

Gangnus ThruLines

My last two Blogs have been on the Gangnus Family, so I will continue the trend. I descend on my mother’s side from two Gangnus Lines:

The left side of the chart goes to my mother’s Rathfelder Grandfather and the right side goes to my mother’s Gangnus Grandmother. This chart is meant to include DNA matches that also match by genealogy. As the two brothers near the top of the chart had the same first name, I expect that there is a lot of confusion in the genealogy.

My Late Mom Glady’s Gangnus ThruLines

My mom has this ThruLine:

I already have Robert on my Gangnus DNA/Genealogy tree. However, I have him descending from Maria Magdalena Gangnus instead of Johann Georg Gangnus:

And when I look at my mom’s ThruLines for Philipp JG Gangnus, I get more matches:

Here, Tristan is the son of Robert. Tristan’s tree also goes back to Johann Georg Gangnus the first instead of who I have. I see that I created a tree for Robert in 2019:

This explains the issue:

I didn’t realize that I already had Robert in my tree twice. This shows that Robert and my mom (and hence I) both descend from two sons of Johann Georg Gangnus. I don’t think that this is a double cousin situation as double cousin is shown this way:

I suppose that makes Robert and my mom 4th cousins removed twice.

Another problem is that my mom’s ThruLines is missing Philip Jacob Gangnus who married Anna Eva Niclas:

Here are my mom’s ThruLines for Anna Eva Niclas:

So something is amiss here. I know that Anna Eva Niclas and Anna Eva Muller could not have had the same children:

Perhaps if I add some correct genealogy to my tree, these issues will straighten out. The genealogy has definitely given the Ancestry computers a headache.

Checking the Gangnus Descendants’ Matches’ Genealogy

I see that I first mentioned Robert’s genealogy in a 2019 Blog here. That Blog had to do with AutoCluster. However, I assume that the genealogy is still valid, so I will add Robert to my Tree. Currently I have a separate Ancestry Tree for him. Here, I have connected the Retch Line to my Tree:

However, I still have to connect Johann G’s wife Maria M Gangnus to the tree. I did this by adding parents for Maria M. Gangnus and typing in the name of her parents who were already in my Ancestry Tree:

I hope that this will go a long way in fixing the weird AncestryThruLines that currently exist for the Gangnus Family.

Gladys and Kirk

Gladys and Robert have a shared match with Kirk, so I’ll look at him next:

The first icon after Kirk’s name means that Ancestry thinks Kirk and Gladys have a shared ancestor:

I will add Kirk to my Ancestry tree as a floating tree and if the floating tree matches my ancestors, his floating tree will get attached to mine. Kirk has a modest tree:

Unfortunately, he has his paternal grandparents listed as private. This likely was something that Ancestry added by default. Siegfried was born in Hirschenhof according to Kirk’s records. This is where many of my ancestors were born. I see one reference to Siegried’s mother in a tree by Karin:

It turns out that Karin is connected to my mother also via HIrschenhof on the Schwechheimer Line. I will accept the Ancestry Hint based on Karin’s tree:

As I do not have a husband for Melita, that makes the tree difficult to evaluate. I will put Kirk on hold for now.

Gladys and Michael

This is the connection that Ancestry would like me to pursue. However, there are two private generations. Here is Michael’s tree:

Fortunately, Michael and his ancestry are published in a book by Gustav Gangnus published in Darstadt 2003. That means that, assuming the book is correct, I can trace his Gangnus Lineage. Bruno was born in Riga and dies in Wollongong, Australia:

Here are the missing generations:

This is also where it gets tricky as I also have Schwechheimer ancestry. Unfortunately, the Gangnus Genealogy book does not give parents for Emma Eva Schwechheimer. I do see a birth record for Emma Eva here:

However, this is for 1853 instead of 1859. Here is the same information:

This is probably the right person – unless there were two people of the same name within 6 years.

At any rate, I will continue on the Gangnus side. According to Geneanet:

From Johann Georg Michael Gangnus we go to Johann Georg Gangnus 1807 and then Philip Gustav Gangnus. Further,

Now I do have this Philip Gustav in my tree:

That brings us to the common ancestors of Philipp Jacob Gangnus and Anne Ave Niclas.

I think that this is the right connection:

However, the ThruLines have the connection through Philipp Julius Gustavus Gangnus. To check, again, I have the Gangnus Genealogy book which I consider to be the gold standard. I checked and it does have Philipp Gustav as the son of Philipp Jacob. For further proof, here is the HIrschenhof Revision List of 1811:

This shows that at the previous revision, 16 years prior to 1811, Philip Gustav who was the third son of Philip Jacob Gangnus was 11 but that he had since moved to Farm number 92 in 1811. So, I have all sorts of checks on the genealogy.

Updating My Gangnus DNA/Genealogy Chart

This is myy Chart currently:

Recall that Robert was on both sides of the Chart. I will add Michael to the right side:

This shows that my mom and Michael are 4th cousins twice removed – though in a different way that the ThruLines show. They are also 5th cousins twice removed. And that isn’t counting any other connections such as through Schwechheimer or other routes.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I started to look at Ancestry Thrulines on my Gangnus side
  • Due to complexities and two sons named Philipp, it is often difficult to get the genealogy right.
  • I gave up on one line due to scarcity of sources given
  • One other match was much easier to verify due to an excellent book I have in German on the Gangnus genealogy.
  • It takes a lot of work to correctly verify Latvian ThruLines. Due to upheaval in the area, there has been a lot of movement of Germans who lived in that Country.
  • I am glad also to have Revision Lists to verify the genealogy.
  • I hope that the quality of these Gangnus ThruLines will improve based on the work I have done and improvements I have made to my Ancestry Genealogy Tree.

 

 

Gangnus in the Revision Lists of Latvia

I have done several Blogs on the Revision Lists of Latvia. Most of the ones I have looked at have been in the German Colony of Hirschenhof where many of my mother’s ancestors lived. My mother’s mother was a Gangnus and that was a prominent family in Hirschenhof – at least for the number of people with that name if for no other reason.

From a review of my previous Blogs, I should be looking at:

  • The 1782 Audit of Souls – also known as a revision list. From my recollection, this Revision List had different farm or lot numbers than the subsequent revision lists.
  • The 1811 Revision List – only males are listed. So this is helpful, but not as helpful as the others.
  • The 1816 Revision List
  • The 1834 Revision List

This represents about 52 years and could contain about 3 generations worth of genealogical information.

Strategy for Research

I have found tht the easiest way to research these lists is by Ancestry. These lists are available elsewhere, but are not indexed. In the past, I have gone from the earliest Revision Lists to the later ones, to see how the families progressed. I then tried to summarize the information in a spreadsheet. Here is the format I used for my Fuhrmann ancestors:

This should be easily adaptable to the Gangnus surname.

My Gangnus Genealogy

It gets complicated as there were two Philipp Gangnuses who married two different Anna Evas! There are other complications, but I am hoping that the revision lists will straighter things out. 1782 is a good years as both Anna Gangnus and Johann Jacob Gangnus were young children then.

Johann Jacob Gangnus Born 1777

I ended up looking at the Raduraksti Site for information. After searching a while, I found this:

Here is the family I was looking for:

I have included the farms on either side. Here we see a second son, Johann George and a few other people living in the house. I can’t really figure out their last names at this time.

Actually, it appears that the other Philipp is living next door at Far #28, so that is a bonus. I was expecting Anna to be 2 years old, but she shows as 1/2 here.

When I compare the Philipp Jacob Gangnus family with my Ancestry Tree, I get this:

Here I have put the two families into a spreadsheet:

 

I was thinking that I descended from Anna Eva Gangnus, but it was actually her older sister, Charlotta Maria that I descend from. So, in these two close farms are 6 of my ancestors. I have them outlined in green. In my previous Blog, I looked at a match my mother had with a descendant of 4 year old Johann Gangnus above.

However, I now suspect that the first column ending in Maiga could be wrong. Not seeing Jacobina Magaretha in the Revision List does not prove that she was not a child of the couple above, but it does bring this line into question. Further, the couple would have been quite young when she was born. Having said that, the Gangnus Genealogy book published in 2003 has this genealogy.

1811

This is the revision year without women. First, I see that Philip Jacob is still around:

His first wife, Anna Eva Niclas dies, and he remarries in 1789. He has 4 sons living with him. Two of those sons have their own sons apparently. I think that one son moved to Farm 92.

Next, I need to find Philipp Gustav Gangnus who was born in 1747. He must be on the next farm:

By this time, Anna Charlotta was married to a Schwechheimer and had 9 or 10 children.

Here we see that the Gangnus patriarchs are still around. My ancestor Johann Jacob who was 4 is now 32 and has a son Gottlieb.

1816

A mere 5 years later. I started by looking at Farm #30 where I see that the widower Philip Jacob Gangnus is still living at age 60:

Here the men are on the left and the women are on the right.

Philipp Jacob’s second wife died in 1811, so does not appear here.

I have from my tree that that Jacon Gangnus married a Boehler as his first wife. He has Gottlieb and George by 1816, but Gottlieb died young. This does not fit in well with my Ancestry Tree:

There are three Georges in this tree. I assume that the George in the Census most closely matches Georg Michael by birth date. Gottlieb must be Philipp Gottlieb. I may have some of the relationships messed up here:

The relationships are a bit complicated due to a three generation household. It’s nice to get a peek into where my Gangnus ancestors were living in 1816. Here is a photo taken by a distant Rathfelder relative of a Rathfelder house in Hirschenhof:

I’m sure that you would have to imagine things looking a bit newer in 1816. Here is another view of the house from 1930:

My assumption is that this was a working farm at the time. It looks like the orientation of the barn has changed.

Gustav Gangnus in 1818

The above was from my Gangnus side. My Rathfelder side also has the ancestor of Gustav Gangnus. I have that he died in 1818, but another tree has his death in 1820. This latter date is more likely due to the 1818 Revision List:

I can’t make sense of the 15 year old boy. Here are the women:

I am not sure what the note is after Anna Christina’s age of 14 or why the ages are out of order. Is the 14 meant to be 1/4? I will take that to be the case. The Gangnus genealogy book I has Anna Christine born 1 Jan 1816.

The picture I get is of an elderly farm couple living with three generations of family, ready to pass the farm on to a son. Here are Farms 30 and 31:

Farm 31 appears to have been further divided.

Is there a stream going through the two farms?

1834

1834 finishes our 52 year tour of the Gangnus Family in Hirschenhof, Latvia. This is now 18 years since the last Revision List. The Farm numbers are now in Roman Numerals:

Philip Jacob has passed in 1818. This revision also has family numbers. 10 seems to be the number for Gangnus. There are fewer women on Farm #30:

For some reason, they missed the maiden name of my ancestor Jacob which should be Biedermann:

Note: only one name I have for her in my Tree matches which is Julianna and if she was born in 1802, she should have been 32 years old in 1834.

This shows that 6 children of Jacob were living in the household. The oldest 4 were from Jacob’s first wife Jacobina Boehler.

The 1834 Revision List Vs. My Ancestry Tree

Here are children from Jacob’s first wife:

From Jacob’s second wife:

Here the younger children had not been born yet. I descend from the eldest of the second wife.

Gustav’s Farm in 1834

Gustav passes in 1819, but here is the picture of Farm #31:

 

Here, the family numbers play a part as we have Family 10 (Gangnus) as well as Family 15 (Fischer) and 14 (Schwechheimer). I see what happened. Johann the son dies in 1821, leaving no male Gangnus of that generation. Johann was perhaps a widower at the time as no wife is shown. So there is a lot going on here.

Anna Charlotte Maria Gangnus Schwechheimer

I think I may have covered her in my Blog about the Schwechheimers, but here she is in 1834 on Farm 11:

Charlotte is 52 years old. There is also a Fischer on this property (Family 15). On the next page, there is someone from Family 16, but he had since passed away:

Here is Farm 11:

Charlotte moved from Meschlaider to Stinken!

 

The 1850 Revision Lists

I neglegted to mention above that there are also 1850 Revision lists, this brings us up 16 more years or 68 years from the original Audit of Souls. This is easily three generations of the Gangnus Family. This is making the Blog quite long, but hey, it does cover 68 years of genealogy – and from two different lines of Gangnus.

The 1850 List notes Charlotte’s death in 1847 at Stinken Farm 11:

Farm 30 in 1850

Jacob is still holing on to Farm 30 in 1850 at age 71:

Here are the women of Farm 30:

I’ll try to get this on to my Excel Spreadsheet to see if I can make sense of it.

This is a little confusing as I have that Juliane Biedermann dies in 1845. In fact, I have that Charlotte who was born in 1845 was Juliane’s youngest child. Further note is that my ancestor Johann Philipp had not married yet. He marries in 1855 and has my great-grandmother in 1856. My great-grandmother Maria Elisabeth Laura Gangnus marries in 1873:

This appears to be Maria or Marie as the older woman perhaps in Riga around Christmas:

 

Summary and Conclusions

  • The Revisions Lists are like the Census and give a good snapshot into the Gangnus Family in Hirschenhof between 1782 and 1850.
  • Between my lack of knowledge of German and my ability to read the writing, I am sure that I am missing some information from these Revision Lists.
  • The connections of the farm listings and age at previous Revision Lists helps to link the information together.
  • It would be interesting to compare these revision lists with DNA matches
  • This is my 700th published Blog!

 

A New Gangnus Descendant DNA Match at MyHeritage

I was checking MyHeritage DNA matches recently and found a match for my mother who had Gangnus ancestry. As this is an uncommon surname, I was quite sure that there must be a connection.

Gladys and Maiga

Here is the match between my late mom and Maiga from Germany:

Maiga also has matches between other surnames that are in my ancestry. Here is part of Maiga’s Tree at MyHeritage:

According to her tree, our common ancestors should be Philipp Julius Gustavus Gangnus and Anna Eva Muller. Here is part of my current Gangnus DNA/Genealogy Tree:

However, I am missing Maiga’s ancestor Johann Gangnus:

Next, I’ll check my Ancestry Tree to see if I already have Johann:

Here is where things get complicated. My Johann Jacob Gangnus was born 1777 from Philip Jacob Gangnus and Anna Eva NICLAS. Did Philipp JG Gangnus and Anna Eva MULLER also have a Johann born in 1777?  My tree says they did:

I’m glad I didn’t jump to conclusions here. This Johann was born about 10 months earlier:

Now for some more complexity:

Maiga descends from Philipp Gangnus and Anna Eva Muller twice. Once by Johann and once by Jacobina M Gangnus. This was pretty normal for the German Colony of Hirschenhof in Latvia.

I also have Jacobina in my Ancestry Tree:

My next decision is whether I should accept Maiga’s tree as is or try to evaluate it.

A Quick Check on Maiga’s Genealogy

This will get Maiga into my tree at least. Here is some information on Maiga’s Line:

I am not sure how the Kaufmann name fits in. This is what the internet shows:

The German word Kaufmann is a masculine noun that translates to “merchant” or “businessman” in English. It can also refer to a trader, small shopkeeper, grocer, or someone with business or commerce qualifications. 

This shows information from St. Peter on Maiga’s father and grandfather. Here is some more information on Gustav:

This links him to his father and mother. Here is where it gets complicated as both of Gustav’s parents had Gangnus ancestors:

Georg Philipp marries for a second time:

At this point, I would be happy to follow Maiga’s tree.

The DNA and DNA Painter

Here is the DNA match between Maiga and Gladys:

So far, I do not see any Gangnus DNA matcing on that part of Chromosome 3 for my mom:

Here is the new match:

This match gets my mom’s painted side up to 47% from 46%. Also, it shows a crossover apparently from the Rathfelder to the Gangnus side. Actually the crossover is between Rathfelder and Scwechheimer (I think):

I say that because this match is on my Rathfelder side, but on the Schwechheimer side of my Rathfelder side. Johann H Rathfelder born in 1846 also married a Gangnus. At any rate, that is quite a large hunk of DNA to be shared between Maiga and Gladys coming down all the way from the mid 1700’s.

By crossover, I mean that the red DNA match with Katja goes down the Rathfelder Line while the blue match with Maiga goes down the Schwechheimer side to Gangnus. Usually where there are two DNA matches on one’s profile and one stops and the other starts, that is an indication of a crossover in the DNA – that is, a crossover from paternal to maternal DNA or maternal to paternal DNA.

Updating the Gangnus DNA/Genealogy Tree

Here is my first shot:

Notice that I need two lines for Maiga. The problem is that some information is missing from Maiga’s tree.

I just realized that I have a book on the Gangnus family, so I can use that. Jacobina apparently led an interesting life. She married at age 17 and had 17 children. Unfortunately, not all the spouses of the children of Jacobina are listed in the Gustav book by Gustav Gangnus dated 2003. I do have the name of her husband who was Johann Gurg Gottlieb Spengel. Interestingly, a Google search for the word Hofspowsky returned nothing.

Here I finished the Gagnus DNA/Genealogy Tree but I put some color in the box that I had a question on:

This shows that there is one good connection to the Gangnus/Muller common ancestors. Then there is another likely connection to the same common ancestors.

From Ancestry

Here are my mother’s ThruLines (through Philipp Julius Gustavus Gangnus):

Donna is actually a much closer relative. Reinhold is on my three. It is likely that Tristan and Michael could also belong there. This may be something to look into in a future Blog.

Summary and Conclusions

  • Maiga is an important match adding a significant piece of DNA to my mother’s DNA profile
  • The DNA match between Maiga and my mother appears to describe the crossover in DNA between my mother’s great-grandparents of Johann Rathfelder and Rosine Schwechheimer.
  • Maiga also has a very good tree. I could write to her to see if she has more information on the couple listed as private.
  • The Gangnus family was a large and important German family living in the German Colony of Hirschenhof. Many of these Hirschenhof families moved later to Riga.

 

My Wife’s Rheinhold ThruLines

I believe that I have not done a comprehensive look at my wife’s Rynault ThruLines. Here is what my wife’s late mother shows:

This turns out to be a huge amount of matches. One problem is the spelling of the name. I see:

  • Rynault
  • Rheinhold
  • Rhynold
  • Rinold

Reynold was also a popular variation. They all seem fairly similar in sound. Joan has 46 matches to Rynault not on her own line. My wife wants to know how many matches she has:

Much less than 46 matches.

A Rheinhold DNA/Genealogy Tree

I do not believe that I have created one yet. I’ll start with my later mother-in-law:

This brings Joan back to her mother’s mother’s mother’s side.

The Casper John Rhynhold 1814 Line

Joan shows 7 matches here. If the father was Frederick Capar (or Casper) Rhynold, it would make sense that he would have a son named Casper.

I’ll start with a match named Leenie:

Her paternal side goes back to a Rhynold from Guysborough which is encouraging. I can add her as a floating tree to my tree and then connect her once it makes sense. Here are Leenie’s grandparents in Hazel Hill, Nova Scotia in 1921:

Here is the path that Ancestry wants me to investigate:

Here is Cora and family in 1901 living in Canso West. Her dad is a Methodist fisherman.

By 1911, it appears that the father had remarried:

However, this marriage for Alonzo is in 1914:

The marriage appears to have taken place in St. John, New Brunwick. This appears to imply that Maude Verge was Alonzo’s third wife?

Due to the confusion, I need to check the hints for Maude Smith. I have this:

This has to be the right Blanche. Here is Blanche in 1891. Her father is a Methodist fisherman:

Her mother is Ester. Here is the 1881 Census:

They seem to be having trouble with the name Esther – here transcribed as Easter. Esther is a Baptist and her husband appears to be a type of Methodist.

The best reference I could find for Esther was in this tree:

This person apparently has a book from 1950 with some important information:

I guess this will have to do for now.

Casper Rhinold

Here is Casper recorded as Reynold:

Fortunately, there is a transcription as the writing is a bit scrawley. Here is Half Island Cove:

Here is a deed which is supposed to explain things:

This is from 1817, so the must be the grandfather of Caspar selling his 300 acres to his son Frederick. This is quite interesting. Apparently Caspar was a military man who was granted 300 acres of land in Nova Scotia. It is unclear to me whether the elder Caspar ever lived on this land. This means that the elder Caspar died likely before 1817 or about 1816 as the above document refers to the Estate of ‘Gasper’ deceased. Casper’s children appear to be:

  • Elizabeth Rheinhold Uloth
  • John Reinhold
  • Ann Rheinhold Harrigan
  • Mary Rheinhold Tanner
  • Frederick Rheinhold

Here is Peas Brook which is probably the same place mentioned in the land deed:

Here is an entry someone shared at Ancestry:

These troops were mainly Germans hired by the British.

Rheinhold DNA/Genealogy Tree

I am fairly sure the ThruLine is correct, so I will add Leenie to the tree:

Having said that, I see that Caspar is quite a bit older than my wife’s ancestor George and there is 14 years between them. Is it possible that Caspar could be from a brother of Frederick? For now, I am going with the way it is above, as that is the information I have, presumably from the book on Guysborough families.

I see I got this one wrong:

Leenie is shown as the ThruLines as a 4th cousin once removed so that is a way of checking my DNA/Genealogy Tree.

Joan and Lorraine

Assuming that I got Esther right, it should be easy to add Lorraine to my tree. However, there is something I would like to look at before I consider this Line.

Joan’s ThruLines for George Tanner Rhynold

It makes sense to start with the more recent generation:

Here are the DNA matches with the descendents of the eldest proposed son of George Tanner Rhynold:

This appears to be George and family in 1871:

Lydia must be George’s mother. He marries and Irish woman which could explain the change to Catholic. It turns out that this Census is quite a find as it shows the implied relationships in this family.

However, the ThruLines show two different James in this family:

A 15 year old James in the 1871 would have been born in 1856 which is inbetween the two James. I am having trouble lining up the ThruLines with the Census.

Joan and Booklady

One person who seems to line up with the 1871 Census is Booklady:

Mary and John are both in 1871 Census for Crow Harbour:

This is likely Queensport today:

Booklady’s tree shows her paternal side only:

Another tree at Ancestry links Booklady’s father to the maternal side:

In 1921, Eunice is living in North Canso with her fisherman father and family:

The family is listed as Roman Catholic.

This Ancestry tree has John’s wife as a Snider:

However, the reference has a different surname:

The same tree shows that Mary’s son Clarence was from a first husband:

However, I believe that there is a mistake in the above tree. It has John Henry Rhyold born in 1886. I believe that he was born earlier. The 1921 Census has him being 53 years old which would have him born about 1868.

This tree has John Henry Rhinold as the son of different parents:

They also reference the 1871 Census:

This tells me that there were two John Rhynolds born about the same time, making researh difficult. Here is Molasses Harbour:

Based on DNA matching and the geography, my guess is that the above tree is incorrect for Booklady’s genealogy.

Doing the Geography Check

One reference has Eunice Rhynold born in Little Dover, but I could find no reference to back that up:

In 1921, the family was living in North Canso. In 1931, the family was living in the Town of Canso where John H was a janitor at the public school.

The question is, is the John who was the father of Eunice from Queensport or from Port Felix?

Perhaps the answer is not clear. If Eunice was born in Little Dover, then perhaps this is about the same distance by water to Fort Felix as Queensport is. If she was born in Canso, then Queensport would be closer and a straighter shot by water.

Clues from the DNA?

If Booklady descends from George Rhynold, that would make her and Joan 2nd cousins once removed. According to Ancestry, there is a greater likelihood that she would be a 3rd cousin once removed compared to a 2nd cousin once removed:

Shared DNA Matches Between Joan and Booklady

Jennis is a shared match:

However, Jennis has a much larger match with Booklady compared to her match with Joan. Here is the proposed connection:

However, the Grant Tree from Ancestry, which I looked at above has this connection:

I also do not see Johanna in the 1881 Census for George Tanner at Crow Harbour:

It appears that ThruLines for George Tanner Rhynold are a bit misleading in this situation:

John may be right and one of the James may be right.

Joan and Erin

Joan and Erin have a similar shared DNA match:

Ancestry is saying that chances are Erin is more closely related to Booklady than Joan. Erin’s tree goes out to a William Aubrey from Gloucester, Massachusetts:

My guess is that he was another son of Joanna Rhynold.

I was trying to set out to prove that Eunice descends from George Tanner, but that does not seem to be the case from the DNA.

Chelsea and Joan

Chelsea’s match with Joan follows the same line of reasoning:

Chelsea must be Erin’s sister:

Back to Eunice

Here is William Rhynold in 1891:

John must be born about 1886, not 1868 as the ThruLines have. Here is William Rhynold in 1881:

It seems like the couple had two families. The 1881 family moves out of the house by 1891, and there is a new family. However, in 1891 there were Claude, Alfred and George. Where were they in 1881? Who thought that this would be so difficult?

Joan and Gordon

Joan and Gordon have a healthy DNA match of 100 cM. Here is Gordon’s tree:

Gordon shows his line going back to George Tanner Rhynold. I will look at the evidence. According to Mabel Rhynold’s obituary, she was born in Fox Island:

The obituary is also helpful in that it gives her parents’ names:

Here is Mabel in 1921 at Fox Island with her parents:

If the 1871 Census was correct, father James Rhynold was a mason and a Baptist. He perhaps converted when he married and became a fisherman. This appears to be a marriage reference:

Next, it the connection between James and George Tanner Rhynold. The best reference for that has to be the 1871 Census for Crow Harbour

Next, I add in George Tanner Rhynold and Mary Sandwich to connect this line to my Ancestry Tree:

When I add Gordon to the Rhynold DNA/Genealogy Tree, it looks like this:

Summary and Conclusions

  • My late mother-in-law Joan has many DNA connections to the Rhynold Family of Canso, Nova Scotia
  • This was a large family and it is difficult to find records for some of the early families.
  • There is confusion as to the different James Rhynolds
  • It would be helpful perhaps, to look at the book about Guysborough families at a genealogical library to try to straighten out the relationships.
  • It is interesting to learn a little about the history of one of my wife’s German ancestors who fought for the British as a mercenary and received land in Nova Scotia for his service.