I recently had a request from Frazer researcher Joanna. She has been in touch with a person who thinks his branch of Frasers from Sligo may related to ours. Joanna wants me to look at the DNA matches to see if this may be true.
A YDNA Match
This person has taken a YDNA test and according to Joanna he tested as R-R152. Joanna could not find this group and thinks he may have meant R-U152 which sounds like a Haplogroup I have heard of.
Here is the overview for the Fraser YDNA Project:
I do not know if Ian is on this web page, but I see 6 mentions of R-U152 on that page:
I went through all 6 mentions of R-U152, but none of them had the Fraser/Frazer surname. That could mean that the Haplogroup is wrong or that Ian is not part of the Fraser and Septs Project.
Here are my Frazers:
This is a fairly small group under R1a1. I count 10 Frazers in this group. However, a good percentage have taken the BigY test. The header for the group says there are 2393 members, but I only see 1634 Lines of data and many do not have the Frazer surname. For example:
- Fraser is mentioned 261 times
- Frazier is mentioned 114 times
- Frazer is mentioned 43 times
- Frasier is mentioned 14 times
Keep in mind that these numbers may be a little high if you have a Frazer name and a Frazer ancestor listed, that would make for two mentions of the name. However, that could be somewhat offset as there is a Fraser, Dingman and Barker in our project and all of them we know to be in the Frazer group.
R-U152
Haplogroup R-U152 (also known as S28) is a major Y-chromosome paternal lineage. It formed roughly 4,500 years ago during the Bronze Age, descending from R-P312. It is strongly associated with the Alpine Celts, ancient Italo-Celtic peoples, and Roman expansion, with high concentrations today in Italy, France, Switzerland, and parts of the UK and US.
Further, our Frazer group is:
R-U152 is from the R1b family which is vastly different. According to AI, R1a and R1b had a common ancestor between 20,000 and 25,000 years ago.
Summary and Conclusions
- While reviewing FTDNA Fraser and Septs group, I found out some interesting things. For one, not as many Frasers/Frazers have tested for YDNA as is shown in the summary.
- The person my friend mentioned cannot match our small branch of Frazers. Our Branch is associated with Scandinavia until around the time of Christ. Ian’s branch is more associated with Celtic people.