I have been recently looking at my enhanced shared matches at Ancestry. It occurs to me that it would make sense to look at Joyce’s enhanced matches. Joyce matches me on her maternal side, so I chose that:
Gary has a private tree.
According to Ancestry, Warren is Gary’s father:
Here is Warren on my tree:
For some reason, I have him in yellow. The problem now is whether Gary is Ahsa’s father or not. I think that Asha tested at 23andMe. I’ll just add Gary in the box with Asha’s dad.
Suzanne
Joyce’s top maternal match is Suzanne:
Suzanne has an unlinked tree:
The connection must be through Suzanne’s maternal grandfather, Alan Hartley. I have Alan in my tree:
Adding Suzanne, adds another Hartley Line to my tree:
Diana
Diana is next on the list:
Diana has a tree that looks like Suzanne. From other information, I see that Suzanne and Diane are sisters. I’m sure that the shared matches would show that also.
Will
Will is difficult to figure out by shared matches. However, by process of elimiation, I can place him:
On second thought, Will should be the Bill I used to play ball with as a kid. The DNA match should be Bill’s son Will.
This shows Joyce and Will as 1st cousins once removed.
Liffers
Liffers should be easy to place as there are many Liffers matches. The trick is that the tree is set to the spouse:
If I choose ‘Spouse’, I get this tree:
The maternal side of this male Liffers is clear a match. Unfortunately, I don’t have the work I did on my other computer as I am on my laptop, so I will add Suzanne back in:
Shared matches show Suzanne and Liffers as siblings.
M.F.
I am going down Joyce’s match list and looking at the matches without a listed common ancestor:
I know where M.F. fits in, but I want to put her on my chart. It looks like I can do that from M.F.’s tree:
Ma
Her maternal grandmother was my grandfather’s sister.
Marsha, Nicole, and Samantha
These are more fairly close relatives. They will be easily added to my James Hartley DNA/Genealogy Tree:
This is turning into an impressively large tree.
N.M, Aimee, and Riley
More easy adds:
Unfortunately, I did not add nm as she is my sister Heidi’s daughter. I would have had to split my box out to 6 people, making a large chart much larger.
m.a.
I’m finding m.a. difficult to place precisely.
Here is my guess:
Ancestry thinks that Gary is m.a.’s half uncle which is still an uncle. Also Ancestry thinks that ME (who I just added) is m.a.’s grandaunt.
Camie on the Snell Side
Camie matches Joyce by 129 cM. From shared matches, Charles is Camie’s father:
Further, C.W. is Camie’s son:
Here I have added Camie and C.W.:
It appears that there are two C.W.’s, but I have added only one. Here we have four generations of a tested family. Those that match this family should not have Hartley ancestry if they are far enough back as they descend from the Snell side only.
Kristen: A Link to Lancashire?
Kristen’s Hartley link to Joyce goes back another generation compared to her many Hartley matches:
Greenwood was born in Trawden, Lancashire. Due to the industrial revolution putting hand loom weavers out of business, he moved to Bacup, Lancashire where he married Ann Emmet.
Joyce and Kristen’s Shared Matches
I have wondered to Jennifer is:
There are some close shared matches matches to Jennifer on the list, but those matches do not have much other information about themselves.
Joyce and Sheryl
Sheryl is one of Joyce and Kristen’s shared matches:
Sheryl shows a potential set of common ancestors:
Bracewell is a name that comes up often in Lancashire matches. I also have that John Hartley, common ancestor married Ann Bracewell who would be another common ancestor if this representation is correct.
I also like Sheryl’s family tree:
The reason that I like it is that all the people in the last full column are from the United States except for John Bracewell. That means that there is less of a chance that other confusing Lanchashire people married into this family.
Unfortunately, I have tried to extend Sheryl’s tree and come up with this likely scenario:
That means that either I did the genealogy wrong, or I am related to Sheryl on her Bracewell side and not the Hartley side.
Joyce and Kristen’s Shared Match Paul
I have looked at Paul’s genealogy before and gotten him back to John Hartley and Ann Bracewell:
I had to go back quite a way from Paul’s posted tree which just went back to his two parents. This tree is from Paul’s maternal side. Here is a tree that I have:
By this, Joyce is Paul’s 5th cousin once removed. I do notice some discrepancy between the Sheryl’s line in the tree above and the tree I had created earlier. However, I do note this connection:
Sheryl and Paul have a 20 cM DNA match with each other. That seems to add more evidence that my tree above may be correct.
Summary and Conclusions
- It was helpful looking at my father’s cousin’s shared matchese at Ancestry
- Using that, I could place some of the closer cousins into my Hartley DNA/Genealogy chart even though the matches had no usable family trees
- I looked at some shared matches with Kristen. Kristen is a helpful match as her connection goes back a generation on the Hartley line compared to most of my Hartley relatives.
- There is some confusion as to whether my ancestors are John Hartley born 1730 and Ann Bracewell. However, shared matches Paul and Sheryl have genealogies that suggest that these could be the right ancestors. In addition, Paul and Sheryl show a match with each other.
- It would be helpful to do more analysis in this area to try to confirm or disprove the genealogy and whether the DNA evidence supports what the genealogy shows or suggests.