I was recently contacted by Eric who told me about another Dicks descendant named Clayton. Clayton tells me his grandfather was Leslie Dicks from Harbour Buffet. That is good news as my wife’s Dicks ancestors must have come from Harbour Buffet also.
Here is the match between Clayton and my wife’s 1/2 Great Aunt Esther:
Next, I checked to see if Clayton matched my mother in law. He didn’t. Esther and my mother in law, Joan match on Esther’s paternal side. The fact that Clayton and Joan don’t match could mean that Clayton matches Esther on her maternal side:
Here is where it gets a bit tricky as Esther has Dicks on both sides. I am leaning toward Clayton matching on the Jane Ann Dicks side.
Here is the existing summary of Dicks Triangulation Groups:
I note that Clayton’s matches are in places other than identified Dicks Triangulation Groups (TGs). That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t match. That just means that I can’t prove that he does match based on existing TGs.
Next, I compared Clayton with other Dicks descendants in the 3D viewer at Gedmatch:
Look at all the ‘None’s under Clayton. This tells me either that his match with Esther is on the non-Dicks side, or that he matches a Dicks line that has not been identified well.
From my emails, I get this sketch of Clayton’s ancestors:
Clayton says that John at the top was supplied by Eric. One of the best places for Newfoundland research is called Newfoundland’s Grand Banks Genealogical and Historical Data. At that site, I found a 1945 Census of Harbour Buffet with a Leslie Dicks:
Going back to 1935 shows about the same information:
The only difference being that Ronald is no longer with the family. Also the ages don’t seem to add up all the time. Let’s go back to the 1921 North East Harbour Buffett Census:
This is quite helpful as it gives more relationships, month and year of birth and place of birth. And we finally find Charles. Here we see that Charles is the brother of Alfred. The two families apparently lived in the same house that year.
Next, I was able to find a marriage record for Charles near the end of 1908:
The best I can figure is that Delilah and Jessie are the same person. I note that one of the witnesses was Elsie Kirby. Esther has Kirby ancestors.
Second Cousins, Twice Removed?
What I notice when doing the genealogy is that Clayton is off by two generations from Esther:
If Clayton and Esther are 2nd cousins twice removed, then the yellow circles indicate where the match could be. Unfortunately, for Clayton, that is in the area of eight unidentified 3rd great grandparents. Actually one of Clayton’s 3rd great grandparents is a Dicks, but the DNA match is not leaning toward that name, from what I can tell. Due to a lack of match with my mother in law, and lack of matches with other Dicks descendants, the match would most likely be on the Shave, Burton or Kirby Lines. In my spreadsheet of matches for Esther, I note that Esther’s matches with Clayton seem to coincide with her Pafford matches. I have noted that the Paffords have Shave ancestors. That may be something to look into. This all confirms the inter-relatedness of Harbour Buffet people.
- Esther and Clayton match by DNA and both have Dicks ancestors
- Analysis of the DNA match show that the match is not likely on the Dicks Line
- Esther and Clayton also share ancestors from Harbour Buffett
- Esther and Clayton share matches with the Pafford Line
- Further investigation of common Pafford matches coupled with further research into Clayton’s ancestry may result in a common ancestor.
- Also common ancestors along Clayton’s Gilbert Line need to be explored
- Autosomal DNA can and will come from any ancestor, so all ancestors need to be evaluated.
After posting this Blog, I had a few comments. Here is an update from Eric:
I found some of the Charles Dicks data on various trees from ancestry.com. They indicate he was married to Jessie Trowbridge (this could be a variation of Strowbridge). The Delilah Gilbert marriage seems to be a new discovery. I dug a bit more and I think only Sarah from 1910 was a child of Delilah. Delilah dies 5 Feb 1917 of TB. Charles marries Jessie on 29 Nov 1918.
Just based on the ancestry trees without further research, it appears that the father of Charles was John and John was of Christopher 1829. That should make John the brother of Catherine who married Henry Upshall. Because John Dicks apparently married Mary Ellen Shave, Esther could very well be related in more than one way. The common DNA on chromosome 1 seems to triangulate with A144898 Tracey Crann.
His comment fits well with Molly’s comment:
In reference to the Gilberts, Delilah’s mother is Sarah Jane Kirby who married Thomas Gilbert. Delilah is a sister to my husband’s grandmother, Mary…
It looks like I had a 50/50 chance of guessing right on Delilah and Jessie and guessed wrong. Here is a quick fix on the small Ancestry Tree I made for Clayton:
Here is Charles’ 2nd marriage, with Charles listed as [W]idower: