Not too long ago, I got in touch with Lawrence to ask him if he would be willing to complete a BigY test. I was interested in Lawrence because I match two other Hartleys (other than my brother) who have done the BigY. One of the intersting matches was Michael who believes that his ancestry goes back to Samuel Hartley born in 1666. In doing BigY or other DNA testing, it is important if one of those testers has genealogy that goes back many years.
A Possible Genealogy for Lawrence and Michael
Here is the connection that seemed to be right between Lawrence and Michael:
Michael has taken the BigY 500 test which is 50% less comprehensive compared to the newer BigY 700 test. My brother, Steve and I have all taken the BigY 700 test. Because some areas of Michael’s test were missing, I thought that Lawrence would fill in the missing SNPs.
Based on the Current YDNA Testing, Is the Genealogy Right?
After looking a lot a the YDNA matches, I am wondering if the connection above is correctly displayed. Right now, Ross has tested to 111 STRs. Michael has tested to 67 STRs – even though he has taken the BigY test. Lawrence has tested to 67 STRs, but his pending BigY test will upgrade him to 111 STRs and more.
Here is Lawrence’s match with Ross by 67 STRs:
This shows that Lawrence and Ross have a perfect match of 67 STRs. This seems to validate the tree above between Lawrence and Ross up to Elisha Hartley. That would make me believe that Lawrence should have a close match also with Michael. However, Lawrence matches Michael at 7 steps. In addition, if the tree above was right, I would think that Lawrence’s next match by STRs would be Michael. However, there are four people more closely matched to Lawrence than Michael. Ronald, at 5 steps is not a Hartley. The other matches are Hartleys
Here is the TiP report between Lawrence and Michael:
I generally use the 90% results which would imply a connection between Lawrence and Michael 19 generations ago. By this chart, the connection should be 8 generations ago:
Here is the TiP Report between Lawrence and Ross:
Using the 90% range, I get the common ancestor should be 4 generations away. In this case, Elisha Hartley born 1801 is 4 genrations back from Lawrence and Ross.
This does not prove that the above genealogy is wrong. It just suggests that it may be wrong. I can look at this tree the lazy way by looking at trees that other people have made.
The Edward Hartley 1666 Tree at Geni
This tree does not have mention on Michael’s line of Thomas Hartley son of Norton Daniel Hartley:
However, it is possible that the person creating this tree was not interested in this branch and didn’t include all the details. A Findagrave.com record seems to fill in the blanks:
I did find this interesting Quaker record for Roger, son of Roger on Michael’s side:
After searching around, I don’t see any obvious holes in the tree connecting Lawrence, Ross, and Michael.
Summary and Conclusions
- My assumption had been that Lawrence’s BigY 700 test would augment some of the missing SNPs in Michael’s BigY 500 test.
- My further assumption was that Lawrence and Michael had the common ancestor of Edward or Samuel Edward Hartley born 1666
- Some of the STR matches make it look like Michael and Lawrence may not have a common ancestor in 1666.
- A quick review of the genealogies didn’t show any glaring errors.
- I will want to keep my mind open concerning Lawrence’s BigY results when they come in.