In my last post, I mentioned the DNA results of Gladys as they related to my 2nd great grandparents (her 1st great grandparents) James Frazer and Violet Frazer of North Roscommon Ireland. Gladys is my third cousin once removed, twice. Twice because my 3rd great grandparents were believed to be first cousins and both Frazers. In addition, Gladys is my 5th cousin once removed on another Frazer Line (lower right below), so it gets quite confusing.
In simple terms, referring to the chart above, we are related on blue and yellow lines. That means that Gladys is a triple Frazer. I am also a triple Frazer, though one of my Frazers hasn’t definitively been placed in a family.
My apologies to math haters for the following. In the 1st decade of the 1800’s, Gladys had 3 Frazer 2nd great grandparents. We all have 4 grandparents. Agreed? We have 8 great grandparents and 16 2nd great grandparents. 3/16 of Gladys’ 2nd great grandparents are Frazers. As we probably know, we all get a full set of chromosomes from both our parents. So on Gladys’ father’s side, 3/8 of her DNA is Frazer from the 1st decade of the 1800’s. Of course, on her mother’s side 0% should be Frazer.
AncestryDNA Results
Gladys tested at AncestryDNA. Her 1st match is my sister Sharon shown as 3rd cousin. Then as 4th cousin Ancestry has as Gladys’ matches: Jane of this Project, myself and my sister Heidi. As I mentioned, I’m a 3rd cousin once removed to Gladys, so Ancestry’s prediction seems pretty good. Jane is also a 4th cousin – at least once (and twice if our predictions are correct).
AncestryDNA also shows Shared Ancestor Hints.
I don’t have it shown, but further down, it shows Sharon as being Gladys’ 3rd cousin once removed. At the top are our common ancestors James and Violet. Gladys’ grandfather is shown as George Frazer on the left. My sister Sharon’s ancestors are on the right. Here is how Gladys matches Michael of this project:
I added this for 2 reasons. One is that Michael is shown as a “Distant Cousin” to Gladys. By this Ancestry means a 5th to eighth cousin. But on the Shared Ancestry Hint above, they are shown as 4th cousins. Why is this? This is because Ancestry.com believes the DNA indicates a more distant relationship than what is shown on the paper trail. The second reason I am showing this is: look at the green leaf. Next to that leaf it says, “Shared Ancestor Hint 1 of 3”. That means Ancestry shows one hint for Gladys’ match with my sister Sharon, yet 3 for her match with Michael. Hint 1 is Richard Frazer Hint 2 is Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson. Hint 3 is Archibald Frazer and Mary Lilley. I’m not sure why that couple is included as they are the parents of Richard Frazer and Archibald Frazer.
Gedmatch Traceability
This is a fairly new tool at Gedmatch. I like this tool, because it shows the matches in a visible way. I put in 13 of the Archibald Line testers. I didn’t include Jean (sorry, again!) as her mom’s results were in there. I call this the Archibald Line Globe.
I notice a few things:
- It’s very colorful
- There are no matches on the outside of the globe on either side of F437682. That is Doug.
- The matches are fairly well evenly distributed.
I’d like to slice this Archibald Line Globe up. The problem is, we have different groups and some of them overlap. Here are the testers:
As an aside, notice that Jane has matches in every column.
Here are 4 groups in the Archibald Line:
- As mentioned in my previous blog, the 1st 7 testers above descend from James Frazer and Violet Frazer who were both born in the 1st decade of the 1800’s. (In red below to the right of the red line.)
- Joel, Heidi, Sharon and Paul also descend from Richard Frazer b. about 1777, but not from Archibald b. about 1778. (In yellow below to the right of the yellow line.)
- Cathy, Ros, V.O and Doug only descend from Archibald b. about 1778. (In blue below to the left of the blue line.)
- Gladys, Bill, Patricia, Jane, and Michael descend from the 2 brothers Richard and Archibald b. around 1777 and 1778. (In pink below, between the blue and yellow line.)
So I hope this confuses…, I mean, clears up everything:
- The blue group has single Frazer ancestors (Frazer/Stinson Line). They have fewer connecting lines (matches with others).
- Michael and Jane in the top left descend from Richard and Archibald but they don’t descend from James (son of Philip) and Violet (daughter of Richard).
- Gladys, Bill and Patricia on the bottom right are in the triple category of being descended from the 3 brothers: Philip, Richard and Archibald.
- That brings up a slight correction to the Globe. The yellow at the top right should read: From Philip and Richard but not Archibald.
- Note Doug (F437682) in the blue in the bottom left. He doesn’t match others in his blue group, but has lines going to others in the middle group. Does this mean that he doesn’t belong in the Frazer Stinson Line and should redo his genealogy? No. That just means that he matches with those that are in the combined Richard/Archibald Frazer group in the middle of the globe. That also tells us that where Michael, Jane and Patricia have a match with Doug, it should represent their Frazer/Stinson Line and not their Richard Frazer Line. This is a good way to tease apart the DNA from specific Frazer ancestors when there is more than one.
- Likewise most of the 5 testers in the middle pink zone have matches with those in the blue and/or yellow sections. This should help them to tell which side their DNA came from.
- The only problem is that the yellow testers also descend from Philip and another unknown Frazer Line. However, if the pink testers match the yellow, there is still a good likelihood that the match would be in the Richard Frazer Line.
Finally the details on the Globe:
- Triangulation Groups (TGs) at Chromosome 1 and 12 were discovered early on during this Project. Gladys now joins in these 2 TGs. I’m not sure why the dark pink match isn’t included.
- There is a new TG on Chromosome 5 (green) with Gladys, Cathy and Patricia. The common ancestors are most likely Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson. It appears that Jane should be in that TG also.
- TG on Chromosome 8 with V.O., Gladys and Bill. Again, the common thread is Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson.
- TG on Chromosome 4 with Doug, Michael and Jane. This was previously found when Doug joined the group and represents the same Frazer/Stinson Line as above.
The Richard Line
Here I’ll omit those that aren’t in the Richard Line as they are only in the Archibald Frazer/Ann Stinson Line. That is I won’t include Cathy, Ros, VO and Doug in this analysis. The hope is to de-clutter the Globe a bit.
Again, the matches are evenly distributed. The major distinction here is that 7 of these testers are descended from James and Violet Frazer. Jane and Michael on the left to lower left side are not.
The Archibald Frazer/Ann Stinson Line
For this line, I just need to take out me, my 2 sisters and cousin Paul.
This Archibald Globe looks busier than the Richard Line Globe. It isn’t really. The program only labels the single matches and there are more single matches here. In the previous globe, there were more lines and many of those lines were the dark gray ones that indicate multiple matches.
Here those that have a single Frazer ancestor are on the left and those with double (or more) are on the right. This could be pictured as an overlay. The first layer is the Archibald Frazer/Ann Stinson Line. Overlaid on the right would be the Richard Frazer b. about 1777 descendants.
Gladys and the James Line
Gladys only had one match on the James Line. That was with Judy:
Gladys is at the bottom of the Globe. Her match with Judy looks like a railroad spur in blue going to the right. All the other lines represent matches where the James Line testers match each other.
Summary and Conclusions
- I made a lot of globes. These globes allow one to look at a lot of information at once. However, for the individual Triangulation Groups, it is still good to look at the individual data sheets.
- The globes point out what the various DNA testing groups are. For example: those descended from a certain couple; those descended from more than one Frazer ancestor, or; those who only have one Frazer ancestor.
- The globes are helpful for those that are descended from more than one Frazer Line. If a testers from 2 Frazer Lines matches someone that is only in one Line, then that match should represent the DNA the 2 testers got from that single Frazer Line (for example the Frazer/Stinson Line).
- Gladys formed 2 new TGs which reinforced the genealogy of the Archibald Frazer/Ann Stinson Line. She also was included in the existing Richard Frazer TGs.
- At some point it would be a good idea to itemize and summarize the existing TGs. Note: idea for a blog.