In my previous Blog, I was happy to find a match that convinced me that I was on the right track on the origin of my older Frazer ancestors. That DNA match was confirmed at MyHeritage and mapped onto my cousin Paul’s DNA Painter profile. In this Blog, I’ll look further into DNA connections along the same line.
ThruLines of Michael Frazer Born About 1764, Cleragh, County Rosommon
This is what I show:
I am a 5th cousin once removed to one person on each of these three children of Michael Frazer.
I already have Bob on my Micheal Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart:
However, I have Ann Frazer in a different tree also:
I had Charlene, Karen and Chris in green perhaps because I was unsure of where they fit in.
My genealogy friend Joanna and distant relative has Bob on her ThruLines in the tree with the green lines (above):
I would say, based on the fact that Joanna knows her side of the tree better than me and also looking at the birth dates of proposed siblings in either case, that Ann fits better on Joanna’s side of the tree. Here I have moved Bob from my Michael Tree to my new Archibald (born 1751) Tree:
I show the wider view to show how nicely Ann fits in with the other siblings. Where I had her on the Michael Frazer Tree, she was born 13 years before the next child and 20 years before the oldest child. I notice that I had her birth year shown differently in the two trees, so I changed her birth year to 1823 to be consistent with Joanna’s tree.
Where I have Bob right now, that would make him my 5th cousin once removed – quite a distant match. He shows as a 4th cousin match to Joanna which is less unusual than my match. ThruLines goes out to my 5th great-grandparents and James Frazer on this Line is my 6th great-grandparent. That appears to clear up one major discrepancy in my James Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart.
My Siblings’ ThruLines with Michael Frazer
My sister Heidi has quite a few matches on the Michael Frazer Line:
She has a total of 10 matches that descend from Michael Frazer.
My sister Sharon has the McPartland Matches:
She also matches Patrice as in Heidi’s and my ThruLines.
My brother Jon has four ThruLines:
However, J.F. is Joanna’s brother. So, at least this one ThruLine is apparently wrong. The two Archibalds from the two different lines have created some havoc.
Finally, my other sister Lori’s ThruLines are similar to my older sister Heidi’s:
I will look at the non-Archiabald Lines first as they appear to be easier.
The John Stuart Line Matches
It looks like I do not have John Stuart on my Ancestry tree or on my DNA/Genealogy Tree. This is what Ancestry wants me to look at:
Patrice’s Tree
I’ll add Patrice to my Ancestry as a floating tree. That means I’ll connect him to two parents, then take those parents away. I go to edit relationships:
I put him in as the son of Michael and Margaret, but I will just X them out at parents. This birth certificate fills in some gaps in Patrice’s tree:
I added this to my floating tree:
Unfortunately, Hellen McKay was put in as living by default, so I need to correct that. Ancestry has this potential couple for Hellen:
This marriage transcript gives Hellen’s birth date:
In the 1900 Census, Hellen shows up as Nellie:
Nellie’s father Robert was a paper maker in Flint, Michigan.
When I tried to add Robert’s marriage record, Ancestry tells me that I have already added this record to another tree. I had built a separate tree for Patrice in the past. The marriage was performed by a Roman Catholic Priest. Here is the tree I had:
Here is an obituary for Robert:
Here is the McKay family in 1870 in East Saginaw, Michigan:
Here is the family in 1860:
The family moved from Canada between 1853 and 1856. If the ages are correct, then Mary must have had Elizabeth at about age 17.
This could be their marriage:
This child who was born in 1850 and baptized in 1854 in the Methodist Church may be a clue as to the father of Mary Frazer:
Patrice’s Shared DNA Matches with My Sister Heidi
Patrice and Heidi have 4 pages of shared matches. Here is one with a proposed common ancestor:
However, when I check Joanna’s tree (a top Frazer genealogist), I see this:
Joanna shows that I would be more closely tied in to Michael Frazer through Catherine Matilda Frazer. That should make Heidi and Darlene 5th cousins rather than 6th cousins. I also note that Catherine named one of her sons John Stewart Frazer Brady.
Here is another shared match between Heidi and Patrice. S.C. has Catherine Matilda Frazer as her ancestor:
Using the same reasoning as above, Heidi and S.C. should be 4th cousins once removed.
Back to the genealogy, I see that Joanna has a grave marker for John Stuart Frazer:
The inscription appears to say, “of the Country of Boyle, Co. Roscommon, Ireland:
Joanna has John Stuart Frazer in Tuscola, Michigan in 1860:
This must be close to East Saginaw where the McKay family was living in 1870. Joanna also has this 1860 record:
John McKay is living with John S ‘Frazure’. Also next door is a James Frazure who is apparently John S.’s son, born in New York State.
Based on all the above evidence, I have added John Stuart Frazer to my floating tree:
According to Joanna again, Michael Frazer lived in Church Hill, Roscommon:
Church Hill was within the Parish of Ardcarn:
However, I notice that there is a Mr. Mick Frazer & Co. listed in the Tithe Applotments living and/or owning land in Cleragh in 1834:
The connection between John Stuart Frazer and Michael appears to be in the name of Michaels wife: Margaret Stewart or Stuart.
Adding Patrice to My Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree
All the above work is to convince myself that I have the right tree and right connection between my sister Heidi and Patrice:
Heidi and Patrice are 5th cousins once removed.
Ellis, Darlen, S.C., and Brieanna
I would like to add these three to my Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree:
They are on my sister Heidi’s ThruLines. These three descend from Catherine Matilda Frazer born 1825. In addition, here is Brieanna with a proposed match to my sister Lori:
I plan to add these four to my Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree. Here is Joanna’s record for Catherine Matilda Frazer:
Apparently Mysilla is a variant of Priscilla.
Updating My Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree
I got this far, but Joanna did not have much information on Margaret Brady:
I see that Ellis has some information on Margaret Brady:
Unfortunately, it appears that Margaret died quite young:
Evans Mills is not far from Ontario:
Here is how the Michael Frazer Line is filling up with DNA matches:
The only caveat is, that if this is right, Mary Frazer married William Frazer, so we would be related on generation back also on the William Frazer Line. They would have been second cousins, but I also desecend from William Frazer’s father. We can’t be sure which side the DNA is from, but it is more likely to come from the Michael Frazer Line.
Michael to Archibald ThruLines
I already have BK on my tree:
I mentioned above that J.F. is under the wrong Arhcibald according to his sister’s genealogy which I trust. Here is what I have for this Archibald:
ThruLines of Michael Frazer Through His Son (Henry) Patrick
Here is what I have so far:
I am not sure why Wejum has a different color. Actually, I looked this person up and Wejum was a ThruLine for Beverly who is a descendant of Archibald and Catherine Knott. Beverly has a lot more ThruLines now:
Beverly is two generations higher on the Michael Frazer tree, so her matches are much better than mine or my siblings’. She is a good check to my matches.
Here is what my sister Heidi shows:
It turns out that Richard is the son of Alvie. I’m not sure why I didn’t add Richard to my tree. I even found a photo of Georg H. Frazer:
Here is his obituary:
Here, I add Richard and add a ThruLine note:
Michael, Son of Michael Frazer ThruLines
My sister Heidi has this:
Looks like Michael Junior moved to Saugherties, New York:
I’m just going to assume based on the Census and the DNA matches that the genealogy is correct. Here is Saugherties:
Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree
The tree is getting quite large now:
I circled my sister Heidi on the left part of the chart. The part I added is on the right. Here are two things I cannot explain on Heidi and Monica’s shared matches:
I know how I am related to Jane and Michael on the other side of the Frazer tree, but not on this side of the tree. So it is interesting that Monica are related to the two. Keith makes sense because he descends from Jame and Fanny McMaster.
Summary and Conclusions
- Following a match in a previous Blog I wrote, I am more certain than ever that I descend from the Michael Frazer Linen. He was born around 1764 in the Northern part of County Roscommon. I was able to add some ThruLine matches to the Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree.
- I moved McPartland out of the Michael Frazer Portion of the Tree. However, I am not certain that was the right move based on the DNA match. I followed Frazer researcher Joanna in this case and used her tree as a reference.
- These descendants of Michael moved to Ontario, Michigan or New York. My Frazer Line stayed longer in County Sligo and some moved to Massachusetts or England. One family remains in County Sligo.
- ThruLines have been accurate for the most part for my Michael Frazer descendant relatives. They have a difficult time in interpreting the matches in the cases where the genealogy is already confusing.
- I found some shared matches from the Michael, son of Michael Line that were difficult to explain. The matches are probably from very old DNA or from unknown genealogical connections.