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Looking at My Philip Frazer Line

I recently had an some emails from two people who are on the Philip Frazer Line. This first email was from Jeanette:

Hello dear you both. I and my sister are matched with Kay from Australia. She and ourcommon matches show DNA on our third and seventh chromosomes. Estimated fourth or fifth Cousin.
There is also a Donald Hartley match.
Another match is with Janet Susan Fitzgerald (born Frazer). Her tree has Archibald Frazer born 1751 to 1835 whose father is James Frazer of Clerragh 1720 to 1835.
His father was Archibald 1690 to 1749.
I hope this is helpful in our quest to link Mary Taylor to the Frazer family.
I have written to Kay.
Sincerely Jeannette 

The second email was from Richard:

Hi Joel,

In light of Jeannette’s message advising of DNA linkages between her Taylor family and people in the Frazer line, I am forwarding my Frazer/Taylor conclusions for your consideration.  My conclusions are supported by immigration, settlement and naming information. I was launched on this path by a letter sent 50 years ago from my second cousin 3x removed, Muriel Lewis: “My grandmother, on my Mother’s side, Rebecca (Reba) Taylor married John Elliott.  This is why Myrtle [Muriel’s sister] was named Myrtle ‘Taylor’ Lewis.  My grandmother’s sister, a Taylor, married a Fraser, or Frazer [Mary Taylor m. Philip Frazer c. 1822??]”  

Based on that information, I looked into Rebecca Taylor and her relatives who immigrated in 1830 to North Elmsley Twp, Lanark County in what is now Ontario.

    • Edward Taylor (b. Sligo in 1764, d. 1845 in Lanark County ON) was the father of John Taylor (b. 1821 in Sligo) and William Taylor (b. 1829 in Sligo) and all of them immigrated in 1830 and settled near one another in Elmsley Twp, Lanark – includes Perth Ontario).  Edward’s wife was Catharine** (b. 1786 in Sligo, d. 1860 in Lanark ON, maiden name unknown).  I haven’t located their marriage record from Ireland.  In the 1851 Canada Census, Catharine, a widow, lived with John Taylor and his wife Elizabeth and their children Sarah and James.  William Taylor and his wife Margaret lived either in the same log house or next door.  John and William are both listed as farmers.  ** NOTE: most of the census records spell it as Catherine (the normal spelling) but her tombstone reads ‘Catharine.’ Jeannette advises that the Taylor descendants have spelled their Catharines with an ‘a’ in recognition of Edward Taylor’s wife Catharine
    • Rebecca Taylor (b. Sligo c 1814-1816, also immigrated to North Elmsley in 1830) married John Elliott in 1831.  Among their children in the 1851 Canada Census were Catherine Elliott (named after Rebecca’s mother?) and Edward Eilliott (named after Rebecca’s father?).  My conclusion is that Edward Taylor and Catharine _) were Rebecca’s parents – with John Taylor and William Taylor as her brothers.
    • Mary Taylor (b. Sligo in 1805) married Philip Frazer in 1822.  By 1830 they had at least three children and presumably were not interested in emigrating to Canada then.  They had at least two other children after 1830.  Since Mary Taylor is the only Taylor woman who married a Frazer in this family, I conclude that Mary Taylor and Rebecca Taylor were sisters, and that Edward Taylor and Catharine _ were Mary Taylor’s parents.
    • One of the daughters of Philip Frazer and Mary Taylor, Eliza Frazer (b. 1826 at Kilmactranny, Sligo) emigrated to Canada in 1842 (aged 16) but I don’t have any information on who she came with (no immigration records to Canada at that time).  In 1845, she married Courtney Colter in Smith’s Falls (Bathurst District, later Ontario) which is near North Elmsley.  Quite possibly Eliza Frazer stayed with her aunt Rebecca until she was married.  One of the witnesses to her marriage was John Taylor, presumably her uncle.  Eliza and Courtney’s children included Philip (b. 1848), John (b. 1850), William (b. 1852), Mary (b. 1856) and Rebecca (b. 1858), which reinforces the apparent connections to the Taylors.  The family relocated to Brant County, SW Ontario before the 1851 Canada Census – by the way, George Frasier, age 12, was living with Courtney and Eliza in 1851 – potentially our George James Fraser (?) who identified his parents as Philip Frazer and Mary Gray [either a later wife of Philip Frazer or a deliberate ‘error’ as George’s name is stated on the marriage register as John G. Frazer.  His bride, who was pregnant, misstated her parents’ names and they married in another town].
    • My gggrandmother, Ann Frazer (b. 1822 at Kilmactranny, Sligo) was the fourth child of Philip Frazer and Mary Taylor.  I don’t know when she immigrated to Canada but by 1851 her sister Eliza and family were living in Brant County, Ontario. Ann Frazer married Robert Johnston in Oxford County, Ontario (next door to Brant County) in 1853 (according to a Family Bible – no marriage record located yet). Among the children of Ann Frazer and Robert Johnston were Philip Frazer Johnston, Mary Jane Johnston, Rebecca Annie Johnston and Edward Taylor Johnston, providing additional reinforcement of the family relationships with the Taylors. 
    • Another Frazer sister, Rebecca2 (b. c 1837 in Ireland and perhaps named after her aunt Rebecca Taylor), later immigrated to Canada. In the 1861 Ontario Census, Rebecca (daughter of Philip Frazer and Mary Taylor) was living with her sister Ann Frazer, brother in law, Robert Johnston and family.  Rebecca Frazer married William Geddes in 1865, listing her parents as Philip and Mary (Taylor). Rebecca Frazer died in 1877 without children.

So that’s the plot line.  The more I think about it, the more likely it sounds.  If there is any documentation, it might be in Irish records but we know how scarce those are.

Jeannette and I would welcome your thoughts.

Richard 

Here is Richard in my Philip Frazer DNA Tree:

Now, I have that Philip above born about 1800 was the son of another Philip. He had two known sons who were Philip and James Frazer. I have that James Frazer married his first cousin Violet Frazer and that was the line I come from.

Confusingly the Jeanette in the tree above is a different Jeanette. The Jeanette that wrote has Taylor ancestry. I have that at least one Taylor married a Frazer.

The confusing part about this record is that there could be different interpretations. It could be that Philip born around 1800 or likely before married first Jane Johnston. She may have passed away and then Philip married secondly Mary Taylor.

I do have this transcribed record:

This is from a chronological compilation of Frazer records that were available several years ago. JDH is me and MFA is Michael, a Frazer descendant and researcher living in England.

The interpretation from that time appears to be that Jane Johnston married Philip, son of Philip in 1818, had one daughter with that wife named Jane in 1819.

I should note that Richard and Jeannette are looking at the Taylor family. I do not have any known relation to the Taylor family. However, the way the people intermarried, it would not be surprising if I was related in some way. That also means, that as I have no known connection to the Taylor line, it would not be surprising if my family had no matches with Taylor descendants who were not also Frazer desendants or related in some other way.

Also David

I also wrote a Blog about David recently as he shows at Ancestry as being related through the Philip Frazer Line:

David matches my sister Sharon at Ancestry. I notice that David also matches my brother Jim at Gedmatch. Jim tested at FTDNA but not at Ancestry. David is quite sure of his ancestry up through George James Frazer born 1841 in Sligo, but is not convinced that George James was the son of Philip. I had written a Blog about David recently here.

So What Is My Goal?

As I see it now, I have two goals. One goal is to see if Jeanette is related to the Frazers. The other is to see how David is related to the Frazer Line. Both of these goals seem to hinge on whether Philip Frazer who married Mary Taylor at the Kilmactranny Parish was the father of Ann Frazer and George James Frazer who moved to Ontario. I suppose a third goal is to improve my confort in the theory that Philip Frazer born some time between 1758 and 1776 was the father of Philip, George and James. James was my ancestor and Philip Junior the ancestor of the green tree above.

The Genealogy

It is well documented that Philip married first Jane Johnston and secondly Mary Taylor. These are recorded in lists of marriage license bonds and also Philip’s first marriage is recorded in the Kilmactranny Parish records. Here is Kilmactranny:

The dotted line is the border between County Sligo and County Roscommon.

That was Philip Junior and his marriages. Secondly, I have this genealogy from about 75 years ago:

Unfortunately for me, this does not show that James was a son of Philip. However, I believe that he was and the person doing the research was not aware that he was a son of Philip or did not want to empasize that as it would have shown that James married his 1st cousin Violet Frazer.

Third, I have the Tithe Applotment. These were taken probably in 1933 in Derrycashel. I have this from my Frazer Website:

My belief is that Georg, Philip and James Frazer were all the sons of Philip Frazer. In fact, the order may even indicate the birth order. I have these two Frazer  burial records from 1831:

My guess is that the William and George could be the same two listed in the Tithe Applotments above. One problem with that is that I have that the Tithe Applotment was in 1833 and these two deaths were two years earlier. This could be explained if:

  • The Tithe Applotment was taken earlier (say 1831) not published in 1833.
  • The Tithe Applotment knew these two were dead but still named William and George as the properties were still in the family.

Interesting, my 2nd great-grandfather was named George William born about 1838. I think that he could have been named for the George and William who died in 1831.

I know that my 2nd great-grandfather lived in Derrycastle. My Irish relatives even brought me to the property and showed me the house in 2004:

This may even have been the house of James’ father Philip.

Further I have that my ancestor James named his first son Philip. It was often customary for the father to name his first son after his father:

Here is the Philip Frazer genealogy from my Ancestry Tree:

YDNA Proves One of My Theories Wrong

I had written a Blog recently of how I felt that David fit into the Frazer tree and mentioned David above. It turns out that David tested at 23andMe and that company does a rough estimate of your YDNA. I found out very recently David’s YDNA haplogroup. The YDNA is very good at telling you what branch of mankind you are not in along with telling where you fit in. According to AI, there are now over 107,000 branches of YDNA.

David’s 23andMe estimate has him at R-S845. Here is what YFull, a YDNA analysis company shows:

This starts at the top right at “Genetic Adam”. Of importance along the way is the R1b Branch. R1b formed about 22,000 years ago according to YFull. The Frazer group that I belong to is from R1a which formed around the same time. That means that on the paternal only line, David and the North Roscommon, Ireland Frazers have a common ancestors also around that time – not closely related!

Here is SNP Tracker:

This shows that David’s paternal ancestors were likely in Ireland during Roman times.

Another interesting Haplogroup that David has is L21. This Haplogroup has been roughly associated with the Celtic peoples especially of Ireland, England and Scotland. If David was to do more YDNA testing, he would find out more about his paternal line.

For comparison, here is my known Frazer 2nd cousin at 23andMe:

Stan is my 2nd cousin. I am a Hartley and I come out as L21 (a closer match on my Hartley Line to David). Here is what YFull shows for R-L664:

The important difference is that my Frazer Line is from R1a as mentioned above. This R-L664 is still a pretty old Haplogroup going back 4,000 years or more. However, based on BigY testing at Family Tree DNA, we have Haplogroups that are much more recent:

At the bottom right is my second cousin Paul who I had tested and his 3rd cousin Rick. Their common ancestor is James Frazer born about 1804. The Haplogroup of R-Y85652 shows a common ancestor at about 1799 based on the YDNA testing alone.

Correcting the Frazer DNA Tree

When I had added LSW in 2020, I had noted that LSW did not have matches with the rest of the Philip Branch:

I also note that David has a good match with LSW, so for now, I will take off the George James Frazer Line from the Philip Branch.

I am now left with just the Johnston branch of the Philip Line.

Other Corrections

I can disconnect George James Fraser from my Ancestry Tree like this:

In Edit Relationships, I can just X out his mother and father. He will still be in my tree but not connected to my Frazer Line.

It does not look like I had added David’s matches to DNA Painter, so I do not to make any changes there.

Richard’s ThruLines

When I look at Richard’s ThruLines going back to his and my common ancestor of Philip Frazer, I see this:

Richard has his brother and Jeanette that he matches on the Philip Branch. Then he matches 7 people on the James Frazer Line where I am:

Richard matches sm and Gladys on the Richard Frazer Line.

On the George William Frazer Line, Richard matches me, my daughter, my sister, Karen and Mabel.

Richard’s Genealogy

One complicating factor is that Richard and I both have more than one Frazzer Line. Here is Richard’s Ancestry Tree:

Richard’s fourth great-grandfather was Philip Frazer born around 1776. This Philip is our common ancestor making Richard and me 5th cousins.

Richard also shows that he descends from Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson:

However, I do not believe that I descend from that Line, so Richard and I would go back to the common ancestors of Archibald Frazer born about 1720 and Mary Lilley making us also 6th cousins.

Summary and Conclusions

  • The Blog was a bit long, so I need to break it up
  • I wrote a summary of where I see myself fitting into the Philip Frazer Line.
  • I was surprised to see that David is not a direct Frazer descendant. At least, not on the the line that I am looking at from North Roscommon. However, having said that, there is still some DNA connection.
  • One of my goals was to find out how David fit in to the Frazer Line. I found out based on his 23andMe YDNA Haplogroup that he does not fit in with my Frazer Line. David still may be interested in testing further on his YDNA Line to find out where his paternal line does fit in.
  • Even though I had thought that David should have fit into the Frazer Line, it is good to have certainty in knowing that he does not fit in rather than wondering whether he does or does not fit in.
  • I still have not looked closely into the Taylor Line. That will have to be in a later Blog.

 

 

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A Update of Frazers of Roscommon YDNA

I see that the last Blog I wrote on the YDNA of the Frazers of Roscommon was in 2023.

Why Is YDNA Important?

Autosomal DNA tests your matches to all lines going back in your family, but after a few generations the chances of matching dwindle:

YDNA testing is more laser specific. It will test the father to father to father line all the way down to what is called genetic Adam. When tested with other relatives, this will result in a YDNA Tree. In the case of Frazers, many have tested and there is already a tree at MyFTDNA:

Some things to note from the above Match Time Tree:

  • The above tree came out as expected in 2023. However, I was interested in 2023 to look at the time estimates
  • In the Match Time Tree above, I am represented by Paul, my 2nd cousin once removed who I had tested.
  • All these 7 BigY testers are believed to descend from Frazers. From Warren on down (Haplogroup R-FT421618), these Frazers have Irish ancestry.
  • Richard at the top of the list has American roots, so his Frazer ancestors probably came directly from Scotland perhaps around the time our ancestors moved from Scotland to Ireland:

 

  • If FTDNA is correct, and the common ancestor between Richard and the Irish (County Roscommon) Frazers is from 1455, then Richard’s ancestors could have come directly from Scotland to America.

Further:

Our believed Irish Frazer Common Ancestor was Archibald Frazer born possibly around 1690. An earlier date of 1625 could mean that the genealogy is off or that the YDNA estimate is off. This could be due to the fact that the previous common ancestor was estimated to be born in 1455.

This date of 1799 is very close to the birth date for my ancestor James Frazer of 1804 based on his age at death. James  Frazer is the common ancestor between Paul and Rick (see tree below).

Assuming the tree below is accurate, this suggests that Barker could descend from Archibald Frazer born 1792.

The estimated date for the common ancestor based on the BigY testing is 1869 compared to the genealogical date of 1836.

Here is a Tree I made for my last 2023 Frazer YDNA Blog:

However, this is subject to interpretation. As the Dingman Haplogroup goes all the way back to Archibald Frazer born about 1690, he could be theoretically from the James Line. Barker’s Haplogroup of R-Y151390 is the parent of R-FT521607. R-FT421607 represents Rodney and Jonathan who are known to be from the James Line of Frazers. However, notice that I do not have a genealogy for Barker as there were some questions on his genealogy. This is a case where the DNA testing is more clear than the genealogy.

DNA Relative David

I recently wrote a Blog based on autosomal DNA matching with David. Here is where I placed him on my Philip Frazer DNA Chart:

I believe that Philip Frazer at the top of tree was the son of another Philip Frazer who also had James Frazer born about 1804. This James was my ancestor. After talking to David, I suggested that taking a YDNA test would be helpful. David is important as he is the only known direct male Frazer/Fraser descendant on this Philip Line. Martha comes down from the Kennedys, Richard and Barry are from the Johnstons, Jeanette is also from the Johnstons, LSW is from the Watts and David is from the direct male Fraser/Frazer side. As a direct male Frazer descendant, he is the only known male eligible at this time for YDNA testing. None of the other people from the green tree above carry the Frazer YDNA.

David’s expected line is here:

I believe that David descends from Philip born 1800. David is a cautious genealogist which is commendable and is skeptical of his ancestry before George James Frazer born 1841 in Sligo.

It is difficult to predict the results, but here are some possibilities if David were to take the BigY test:

  • If David comes out as Y85652, that would mean that Philip was the first person to have that Haplogroup and that there were no changes between Philip and son James. I think that this could be a likely scenario
  • If David comes out with a new Haplogroup, that would mean that my ancestor James Frazer would have been the first to have Y85652.
  • David’s results may also be helpful to Dingman and clarify his Haplogroup which is now the same as our first Irish Frazer Common ancestor, Archibald Frazer born about 1690.

Also note that now the Achibald Frazer Line (born about 1715) only has one new Haplogroup since the common ancestor of the whole Irish Frazer group. This is despite having three BigY tested peole on the Archibald Line. The James Line (born about 1720) has also three BigY tested people and has two new Haplogroups. This means that if David takes the BigY test, it is possible that we will find a new Haplogroup on the Archibald side.

Frazer STRs

I hesitate to mention Frazer STRs, but they are also a measure of YDNA. Some people like to ignore them as they can be difficult to interpret compared to the SNP part of YDNA. The reason for this is that values could go up or down over time and as we don’t know what happened with these STRs in past generations, they could lead to ambiguous conclusions. However, I think that STRs are important. MyFTDNA has a Fraser project with a small group (our group) of Frazers in a section called R1a1. Out of the over two thousand Frazers tested in the group, there are only 11 in the Frazer project in the R1a1 group:

My cousin Paul is 444958 and his third cousin once removed, Rick, is above Paul:

If David tests his YDNA, his STR profile should be similar to Paul and Rick’s. I believe that David is a fourth cousin to Paul.

Here are some of the 111 STR markers typically tested:

The third row is the median value. So the fourth marker has a median value of 10. Paul and Rick have a mutation to 11. It is possible that David could also have a value of 11 at this marker – highlighted in pink. The same for the last marker shown. The median value is 35-39. Paule and Rick have a value of 35-40 or an extra mutation at that marker.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I was able to update a previous Blog from almost three years ago on YDNA from the Frazers of North Roscommon, Ireland
  • The Time Tree at FTDNA came out as expected.
  • I noted the dates for the common ancestors of the Haplogroups. These were generally fairly close to the actual common ancestors where those common ancestors were known.
  • I focused some of David who is believed to be a Frazer descendant of the line from Philip Frazer born around 1775 down to his son Philip born about 1800.
  • David is an excellent candidate for YDNA testing. His testing would show how he fits in to the Frazer family from North Roscommon, Ireland.
  • I should note that David’s and my ancestors came from Sligo. That is because the area in Sligo that they came from was adjacent to North Roscommon.

 

 

 

 

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Investigating a New Frazer Theory at Ancestry

Recently, while looking for another match, I saw that my sister Sharon had a potential Frazer common ancestry with a DNA match:

My job is to evaluate the connection to see if it is likely or not.

The Philip Frazer line is important to me as I believe that I descend from Philip Frazer. I can’t prove it, but by naming patterns and process of elimination, I have come to believe that as the best Frazer genealogical theory.

I have built a Philip Frazer DNA tree:

It looks like I cut a bit off of the tree:

Basically, there were two Frazer brothers from County Roscommon. They were Archibald and James. The lived in the 1700’s. I descend from the elder brother Archibald. Actually I descend from both, but more directly from the Archibald Line. Archibald is believed to have had four sons: John, Philip, Richard, and Archibald. As mentioned, I think I descend from Philip.

I see that my sister Sharon’s DNA match David supposedly descends from Philip and George James Frazer. I am asked to evaluate George James. That means that even though he is on my DNA tree, he must not be in the Ancestry Tree. This is what my tree shows:

I also am missing a birth and death date for Philip Frazer son of Philip Frazer. One problem is this document:

This shows one Philip being married twice or perhaps two Philips marrying. I assume that the first Philip is the elder Philip marrying for a second time and the second marriage is for the son Philip marrying. Assuming that to be the case, I should change my tree. Of course the younger Philip could have married Jane Johnston first and the elder could have married Mary Taylor second. I see from my tree above, that the younger Philip’s first daughter appears to be Jane Frazer and she could have been named for her mother Jane Johnston. However, the first daughter should have been named for the mother’s mother which I do not think is known. I’ll just switch my tree to have the younger Philip married to Mary Taylor.

Now I have this situation:

Assuming the elder Philip was still alive, and that the younger Philip was either not very young when he married or was older than I think, I’ll say the elder Philip married Jane Johnston as his second wife and had Jane Frazer as a daughter.

Now I need to put Philip Frazer and Mary Taylor as being born around 1800.

Now it would make sense if Philip had a son named George James as his two brothers had those names (assuming my tree is right). I see that I have a Blog that mentions George James Frazer from 2020. 

In that Blog, Sharon had a match with LS. I see that LS also appears as a shared match between Sharon and David. I think that if I can validate David’s tree back to George James Frazer, I should be all set. Here is David’s tree:

Here is the photo David has of George James Frazer:

If my Frazer DNA tree is correct, he should be the first cousin of George William Frazer, my 2nd great-grandfather.

Of course, I am not very sure how much I look like my first cousins. At least his tie looks the same! My relative in Ireland said someone scribbled on my 2nd great-grandfather’s face. So that doesn’t help either.

My 2nd great-grandfather George William Frazer was born about 1838 and his first cousin George James Frazer was born in 1841. They both appear to be named for their Uncle George Frazer who died in 1831.

Evaluating David’s Tree

I like the chances of David linking up, so I will put him into my tree as a floating tree. That means not connected to my major tree. If I agree with Ancestry’s proposed common ancestor for us, then I will connect the two trees.  I also find it encouraging that David’s tree has George James Frazer born in Sligo, Ireland:

David’s father should be easy to find as he was born in 1929 in the US. Here is the 1940 Census with David’s father and grandfather:

David’s grandfather was an accountant with an insurance business.

James Alexander Fraser, Sr.

Here is William in the 1881 Census for Woodstock, Ontario:

Unfortunately, the father’s initials only are given. They should be G.J. for George James but are transcribed as G.B. In 1891, the father is more clearly G.J.:

G.J. works at the inland home? office:

 

According to AI:

Common occupations and roles from that era containing “inland” include:
    • Inland Revenue Officer: Government officials responsible for collecting excise duties, inspecting distilleries, and regulating weights and measures.

William’s birth record gives better information about his parents:

This gets me as far as David’s tree:

Philip Fraser in green above has a proposed birth date of 1815. That does not fit in well assuming that Philip married in 1822.

George’s birth date is given on a civil service list:

I believe that George was baptized in the Kilmactranny Parish in Sligo as that church is missing about a 10 year period of records from 1842 going back about 10 years. The 1881 Census shows that Philip was likely the first son of George James. By tradition, this could mean that George’s father was also Philip.

Here is George in 1861:

The fact that the name George is passed down seems to support this family structure:

However, I do not know where my 2nd great-grandfather got his middle name William from. Was there another brother named William or was this name from the mother’s side? There was supposedly a William who was the son of John Frazer (the elder Philip’s brother) who went to the US.

Connecting George James Frazer to My Ancestry Tree

I put George James’ father as Philip Frazer born about 1800. This also shows in my sister Sharon’s ThruLines now:

It looks like I have not attached Ann to Philip in my tree, so I need to do that also.

Updating My Frazer DNA Tree

It looks like I just need to add David:

One interesting thing about David is that he is a generation up from my other matches on the Philip Line. That means that he is my fourth cousin once removed rather than a 5th cousin.

Clustering Sharon and David

I created a custom cluster between Sharon and David and looked for mathes between 20 and 100 cM.

The first cluster had only three DNA matches:

Geraldine has no tree at Ancestry. Based on shared matches, Geraldine is LS’ half sister or Aunt.

Here is the next Cluster:

We already know about Geraldine, LS, and David. I am interested in YK. YK”s maternal side goes to Ramsey or Ramsay from Canada:

Just looking at the Cluster above, I see that LS and David are from the Philip . However, MY at the bottom of the cluster is also and probably Geraldine and YK at the top.

From memory, MY is actually Richard or Barry. But where is Jeanette? Perhaps she was a match to someone else, or matches at less than the 20 cM required to be in the cluster.

I was hoping that the Cluster would mirror what I have on my Philip Line DNA Tree:

Where:

  • Green is Philip to Philip
  • Yellow is Philip to James (and Violet Frazer) to Richard Frazer
  • Periwincle is Philip to James and Violet Frazer to James Archibald Frazer (my second great-grandfather)

However, in the second cluster above, I don’t see anyone from the yellow group. Perhaps I will make a guess why later.

It is interesting that Keith is in the Cluster as he is related on the McMaster side:

However, Fanny’s mother was also a Frazer from a different line. So it gets complicated. This could be the reason that the Richard Frazer Line is not included in the cluster. Or it could be that that the elder Philip married a McMaster which would put more McMasters in the Cluster to match. I’m not sure.

So in the Cluster above, I have accounted for two lines but not the Richard Frazer line. Also there are some that I do not know for sure how they fit in:

  • Shelly
  • Diane
  • Charles, and
  • Tim

The Final Cluster

This cluster is similar to the previous one with a large defineable James Archibald Frazer cluster. It seems like more could be done with these clusters as far as trying to track down the genealogy of the matches, but I am done for now.

More on Sharon’s Philip Frazer DNA

Sharon seems to be my only sibling tested at Ancestry who has a good match showing common ancestors with Philip Frazer of the 1700’s. Here is Sharon’s DNA Painter Profile:

Sharon has matches with Barry on the right side of her Chromosomes 14 and 15.

Here is Sharon’s DNA mapped out for Chromosome 14 mapped out with all her siblings:

Jim has all Chromosome 14 as Frazer, but he did not test at Ancestry. Sharon’s match numbers are here:

They are roughly 79-96 million. It looks like Lori should have Frazer DNA up to 96 also. So I wonder why Lori does not show as a match to David at Ancestry.

Here is Chromosome 15:

Here Sharon has a full dose of paternal Frazer DNA. Jim has nearly a full dose of Frazer DNA on his paternal side.

Sharon at Gedmatch

Barry is at Gedmatch and Raymond is a shared match between Sharon and Barry:

I will map that onto Sharon’s map. Here is Raymond:

Raymond also identifies part of Sharon X Chromosome:

The blue paternal first match is from Raymond’s sister. The second one is from Raymond. I have identified this DNA as from Margaret Mcmaster due to the way the X Chromosome is inherited.

Sharon got an X Chromosome from her dad. He got it from his Frazer Grandmother. She got her X Chromosome from her father James Archibald Frazer and he got one X Chromosome from his mother Margaret McMaster.

Summary and Conclusions

  • David was a good match who appears to connect with my 1700’s ancestor Philip Frazer
  • I looked at clusters between my sister Sharon and David
  • Those clusters showed a small Philip Line cluster and a cluster from my 2nd great-grandfather’s line.
  • I was a little surprised there was not more of a cluster from the Richard Frazer line. He was the brother of my 2nd great-grandfather George William Frazer.
  • More work could be done with working on the geneaolgies of some of the unidentified matches in the David/Sharon Cluster.
  • I made some guesses why there was not a Richard Frazer Cluster.My ancestor George married Margaret McMcaster. Someone in David’s Philip line may have married a McMaster. In addition, Margaret’s mother was Fanny McMaster. Fanny’s mother was a Frazer. This could account for the George Cluster and lack of a Richard Cluster.
  • I was also able to improve my FrazerTree at Ancestry.
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1926 Irish Census – Part 3

I’m not sure how many parts this Blog will have. So far I have:

  • Looked at my second great-grandfather, Geoge Frazer, who was quite old in 1926
  • Looked at one of his sons William, his wife and family. William moved to the Boston area and married but moved back to the family homestead after a fireworks accident.
  • I thien looked at his daughter Violet Frazer and family.

George, Son of George William Frazer

Next, I will look at George:

George stays in Irleand. His son George A is shown as living but this cannot be right. In fact, I suspect that all his children likely have passed away. I wonder if I have a photo of George.  In a previous Blog, my best guess was that this was George to the right of “Old George”:

In that Blog, I guessed that the photo was taken in 1899 and that George would have been about 20 years old. From that previous Blog, I mention that George lived at his grandfather’s farm in Derrycashel. I wrote this in that Blog:

George (1879) – He moved in with his Aunt Isabella and worked his grandfather’s farm in Derrycashel, County Roscommon. He married Annie Craig in 1915 and had one girl and three boys and died in 1960.

Let’s start with the 1926 Census as that is new:

The first thing of interest I note is that George is down as being born in Derrycashel. I would have thought that he would have been born where his parents lived in Ballindoon. I do have a record of him being baptized in Kilmactranny which was the Church of Ireland Parish Church for Ballindoon.

At the age of 19, George was living with his unmarried Aunt in Derrycashel. At that time, his birthplace was Sligo, so it must have been Ballindoon.

The 1911 Census is pretty much the same information 10 years later:

The next big event was George’s marriage to Annie Craig:

Annie was born in County Sligo:

Here is Hollybrook:

It is quite close to Mullaghfarna. Here is the Craig family in 1901:

Here is the same family in 1911:

Now we see Richard E who married Martha Fairbanks from my previous Blog. Martha would be George Frazer’s niece, if I have it right.

Violet Frazer Born 1916

Violet marries at the Kilbryan church George Alexander Warren:

Here is the Kilbran Church which I understand is now a private dwelling:

George Warren dies in 1976 and Violet in 2009:

If I have the Drumcliffe Church Yard location right, this is also the burial place of W. B. Yeats:

Here is the Ardtrasna mentioned on the grave stone even further North:

I don’t have a lot of information on Violet’s siblings.

Susan Jane Frazer Born 1887, Ballindoon, County Sligo

Here is what I have now:

 

Here is a DNA relative from Ancestry:

Faye is my third cousin. It looks as if I am better using Faye’s information:

Here is Faye’s timeline:

From this, it would appear that I could find the family in the 1926 Census. Here is what I find in Doreenasoo:

For some reason, the names do not match up. Did the family move away briefly during the Census? Here is the problem. When I search for all of Dooreenasoo, I see this:

A ‘w’ can look like an ‘n’. However, with all the other Crawfords around, common sense would determine that it should have been Crawford.

I do admit that some surnames look like Cranford and some like Crawford.

Here is Dereenasoo:

Here is Faye’s grandfather, George Musgrave Crawford (Susan’s son):

I have to say that genealogy with photos is more fun than without them.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I looked at George, son of George William Frazer who lived at his granfather’s house. The grandfather was James Frazer of Derrycashel, County Roscommon.
  • I looked at George’s daughter Violet who married George Alexander Warren. I believe that family also lived for a while in Derrycashel, but George Warren was buried to the North of Sligo in the same cemetery as W. B. Yeats.
  • I looked at Susan Jane Frazer. She was the youngest daughter of Old George Frazer. She marries Stuart Edward Crawford of Dooreenasoo, County Roscommon and has several children.
  • I was able with the help of one of my DNA matches, Faye, to correct and add to that family’s genealogy in my Ancestry Tree.

 

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1926 Irish Census – Part 2

In my previous Blog, I started looking at the 1926 Census for Ireland. Here is the household where my 2nd great-grandfather lived:

In the last Blog, I looked into George, who was listed at 94. He was my 2nd great-grandfather.

George is on the left in this photo.

Some Chronology for William

  • 1868 – birth in Ballindoon and baptism at Kilmactranny Church
  • 1890 – Arrives in Boston at age 22
  • 1896 – Brings back brother Richard to Boston at age 28
  • 1900 – Working and living at a hotel as a cook with brother Richard in Portland, New Hampshire
  • 1901 – Brings back brother Hubert (aged 24) when William is 33
  • 1908 – Brings back brother David (listed as 23) when William is 40
  • 1909 – Listed as a chef living in Newton, Massachusetts
  • April 1910 – Listed as 41 and working at a hotel in Newton with brother David. A 19 year old Mandy Skoog is listed as working there also in the Census.
  • November 1910 – Age 42 marries Amanda Skoog in Boston. William is listed as living at 35 Alaska Street, Boston, the address of my great-grandfather James Frazer.
  • 1911 – son Edward George Frazer born in Mansfield, MA
  • 1913 – son Albert William Frazer born in Mansfield
  • 1914 – daughter Elsie Marguerite Frazer born in Mansfield
  • 1915 – lived at 86 Pleasant St., Mansfield, MA
  • 1919 – Following a fireworks accident, William and family leave for Ireland by way of Portland, Maine and Liverpool. William apparently returns to the family farm.
  • 1922 – William’s mother Margaret dies
  • 1924 – Son Walter Stanley Frazer born in Ballindoon
  • 1925 – Son Edward George dies at age 14
  • 1926 – Census in Ballindoon
  • 1927 – James Robert Frazer born Ballindoon
  • 1928 – William’s father George dies
  • 1930 – daughter Audrey Elizabeth born
  • 1934 – sister Violet Frances dies
  • 1950 – William dies at age 82 in Ballindoon

Here is 60 South Main Street where William lived at the time of the birth of his first child in 1911.

This is taken from an Irish local history book and should be around 1919 if taken before the family leaves the US for Ireland.

Some Frazer/McMaster DNA

I am related to the William Frazer branch through common ancestors George Frazer and Margaret McMaster. Here is how I am related to two people in William’s Line:

At Ancestry, I am a third cousin to Karen and her son Matthew.

Here are some other matches:

These all descend from James Robert born 1927. I don’t know if there is other family out there that have tested at other places.

Amanda Skoog

Amanda was originally Amanda Skog, I assume prounced Skoog:

I haven’t done much with Swedish birth records.

Amanda was born in Sweden the same year William moved to the US from Ballindoon, Ireland.

Here is when Amanda left Sweden:

Sadly, Amanda traveled alone at age 15 from Sweden to the US:

I appears she lived in Glimarkra when she left:

It looks like Amanada had $10 and was planning to stay with a cousin, Betsy Johnson, in Quncy, Massachusetts:

 

I assume that Amanda was being courted by William in 1910 when they worked and lived in the same Hotel in Newton, Massachusetts:

Mandy is listed as 19 and William as 41.

When they marry later that year, Amanda is listed at 21 years old:

Here is 25 Langdon Street, if I have it right:

William was listed as living at 35 Alaska Street where William’s brother James had a home:

Here is some more chronology from my Ancestry Tree:

Daughter Elsie must be named after Amanda’s mother. Amanda must have visited her mother Elsa in 1912. Here  is Amanda’s ship record:

Amanda is buried in Ballindoon Abbey across the street from her father-in-law’s house where William later lived and farmed the land.

I feel if I get more into William’s family, I may be bumping into privacy issues so I will stop here on this line.

Other Children of George William Frazer

These are just some of the children. Some of these and other not show above went to the US.

Violet Frances Frazer Born 1872

I was told by one of Violet’s descendants that this is her photo with her husband’s arm around her:

She is wearing a white blouse. She marries James Fairbanks in 1901 but he dies in 1912. Here is Violet in 1901:

If I have it right, Drumdoney where they lived is quite close to Ballindoon:

Here they are in 1911 living in the same place:

Off screen, it shows that James had 5 children, but 4 are living now. Here is the timeline I have for Violet:

The big question is what happens in 1911? Violet has four children and no father:

Violet was still farming the same farm in 1926 with the help of three out of four of her children:

The three younger siblings are all helping out on the farm. Where is Martha Frances? This could be her in Dublin:

Martha is listed as a nurse at Adelaide Hospital:

Now Martha is listed as belonging to the Church of Ireland while her mother and siblings are listed as Episcopal.

Martha marries Richard Edward Craig the next year in 1927. Here is Richard Craig and family in 1926:

Here is a map of Mullaghfarna across Lough Arrow from Ballindoon (near Derry on the map):

DNA Matches on Violet’s Line

Here are three people who have had their DNA tested that I match on Violet’s Line:

They descend from the youngest daughter, Susan Fairbanks. Susan marries William John Craig. By the way, Ancestry must be working fast as they now have a link to the 1926 Irish Census which they didn’t have when I first starting working on these Blogs:

Summary and Conclusions

  • The Census is a great genealogical tool and gives a snapshot in time and place of a family, what they were doing and there relationships to each other.
  • I completed my chronology of William Frazer which I started in my previoius Blog
  • I wrote a short chronolog for his wife, Amanda Skoog
  • I then started to look at other children of my 2nd great-grandfather George Frazer. I started with Violet Frazer and wrote a chronology for her
  • Violet Frazer husband, James Fairbanks dies when Violet is 40 and leaves her and the children to farm the land. The eldest girl, Martha Frances Fairbanks, is a nurse in Dublin in 1926 but comes back to Sligo to marry Richard Edward Craig in 1927. He is a farmer in Mullaghfarna, County Sligo.

 

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MyHeritages Updates of Theories: Part 2

In my previous Blog I looked at some Theories for myself, my Frazer cousin Paul and my mother. In this Blog, I will continue to go down the new theories list.

My Frazer Theory with Christopher

I have done a lot of work on Frazer DNA and genealogy, so let’s check this one out:

Christopher has an American Flag by his name, but he shows his parents were from Australia. Christopher’s paternal side tree goes back to Mary Frazer:

I feel like Christopher will connect, so I will build a floating tree for him in my family tree and then connect it – assuming he fits in. According to Ancestry, it was Christopher’s grandfather who moved from Sligo to Australia:

I would expect to find grandfather Thomas in the 1901 Ireland Census:

He was in Kilmactranny Parish where my Frazer ancestors lived.

According to Google, the Townland is actually Drumsoghla bordering Loch Arrow and County Roscommon:

My relatives live on the NE side of Loch Arrow. As expected, Thomas’ father is George Acheson. And it is George’s mother that I am looking for.

Here is the family in the same place in 1911:

I assume that it was George who did not want the Frazer name to be forgotten. All the boys in the house have a Frazer in their name. It appears that George also made his way to Australia:

Here is George’s

burial place in Tasmania:

How to Get from George to Mary Frazer?

This is some of the information on Christopher’s tree:

From fellow Frazer researchers I have this information:

There were two Mary Frazers born in 1828. The one that Christopher has was apparently the daughter of John Frazer and Isabella. It looks odd that William was born 12 July, but Mary was baptized 22 July. I am looking at my old Frazer Genealogy Web Page and see this:

That means that Isabella would have been the sister of Violet Frazer who was my 3rd great-grandmother. That means that Christopher descends from the Richard Frazer and Archibald Frazer Lines. That puts Christopher most closely related to Michael in my Frazer DNA Trees:

This is the side I am more closely related on:

 

Here I am a 4th cousin once removed to Michael.

Here is some more information from my web site:

OK, I guess I’ll go with what I have. I connected the my floating tree for Christopher with my own tree. I now just have to add Christopher to two of my Frazer DNA Trees:

Christopher and I are 5th cousins on this tree:

Now Michael is not so lonely on his branch. I am one generation further out on the Archibald Line as we descend from Archibald father of Archibald.

DNA Painter

I have a lot going on in my 7th Chromosome:

The red match at the beginning of the Chromosome is where I match Christopher. It is possible I match him a generation further back at Archibald, but more likely it is from Richard Frazer. There appears to be a little overlap with Susan and Ken. However, they descend from James and Violet Frazer. Likely the overlap indicates that the DNA shared with Susan and Ken is from Violet who is the daughter from Richard Frazer as is Isabella. It is interesting that I connected to someone on an Acheson Line as I know I have at least one other Acheson DNA match that I haven’t figured out yet.

Going Through my Sister Heidi’s Theories

I am just looking for Theories that are likely to be real. I see Inguna from my last Blog, so I can add her to Heidi’s DNA Painter profile. Heidi already matches these 2nd cousins on Chromosome 11:

Here is Inguna added:

Heidi and Bill

Bill was one of the early matches. We are 4th cousins and the match goes back to James Frazer and Violet Frazer. This is Heidi’s DNA match with Bill:

Bill overlaps with and confirms other Frazer DNA matches:

Heidi and Alans

Alans is not new, but I have not added him to Heidi’s profile at DNA Painter:

Alans’ big match is on Heidi’s maternal Chromosome 3.

Wrapping Up with My Mom’s Theories

I’m ready to end the Blog, but want to check to see if there are many new Theories for my mother. Gladys’ first new theory is listed as having low confidence:

At Ancestry, I have that Elizabeth was a Rihl:

A further look at Pathways 1-4 of the Theory above has the Renner siblings born in Tenessee.

This seems unlikely as my mother’s family was from Philadelphia.

Mom and Ruta

This looks promising:

I like genealogies with photos. I also have a Gangnus Genealogy book written in German which is helpful. By the looks of the Theory, if it is right, mom and Ruta should be half third cousins. Ruta’s Tree is also helpful:

I’ll add Ruta to my tree as a floating tree and then connect the float assuming she fits. Ruta’s Tree is managed by Robert. Here is Robert at Ancestry:

He shows as descending from Philip J G Gangnus. I have him here on my Gangnus DNA Tree:

Robert shows to be related twice to my mom. That is why these DNA charts are helpful. The Theory has Ruta desecending from Gangnus and Biedermann which would be the third row from the top – the couple that is circled.

Robert has Ruta’s father moving from Riga, Latvia to Cleveland:

Heinrich’s comfirmation record includes his birth date and first names of parents:

This record looks helpful:

Here we get the mother’s name of Gagnus = Gangnus. Heinrich appears to be named for Heinrich Gagnus if I read the record correctly.

According to the Gangnus book written by Gustav Gangnus and published in 2003, Alma was one of 7 children.

Based on Robert’s tree Ruta is most likely his mother (though an Aunt is possible):

That being the case, I can just add Ruta in two places on my Gangnus DNA Tree:

The interesting thing about Ruta (and her relatives) is that they are related on my mother’s paternal grandfather (Rathfelder) and grandmother’s (Gangnus) sides.

Next, I want to connect Ruta to my tree. However, I see I already have her family in my tree:

Also, I spelled Heinrich wrong. I combined Heinrick and Heinrich.

Also when I search for Maria Magdalena, I see I have a duplicate:

These trees are a headache!

So basically, the Theory is wrong, but ny one generation on one side. That means the actual common ancestors are one above Gagnus and Biedermann as shown on the Theory.

Painting Ruta to My Mother’s DNA Profile

Ruta matches my mother here:

Here are the numbers:

The Chromosome 1 match is just under the standard thresshold of 7 cM that DNA Painter adds.

Chromosome 5

I think that this is telling me that Ruta is related on the Gangnus/Niclas side due to the overlap with Gangnus/Biederamann (in bright green):

I could change this segment in DNA Painter to reflect that, but I don’t think I will right now.

Ruta’s matches to my mom on the other chromosomes are not as clearly identified:

The other good news is that Ruta gets my mother’s DNA paternal painted DNA percent up to 50 from 49:

Robert and Long-Term Research

Many years ago, I would see Robert’s match show up at Ancestry and wonder how we were connected. I finally figured out the answer to my question. I wrote that up in a Blog in 2019 which can be seen here. Robert had his Latvian great-grandmother as Magnus rather than Gangnus. Robert corrected his tree, had his mother tested at MyHeritage and here we are. Cooperative research.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I found an interesting new Frazer/Aceshon relative
  • I added some DNA matches to my sister Heidi’s list
  • I found an interesting Latvian match for my mom that added a lot of DNA to her DNA profile
  • It appears that the well has not yet run dry on my mother’s Theories, so I will continue to look at them in a subsequent Blog.

 

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My Siblings’ Frazer and McMaster Clusters at Ancestry

In a previous Blog, I looked at some of my own Ancestry Clusters on my Frazer side. One of my conclusions was that my siblings may have better matches than I do.

Heidi and Mabel

I chose Mabel as she has a good match with Heidi:

Here are the clusters:

Here is the 9 match cluster:

As Keith is in this cluster, I will call this a McMaster Cluster. Here is part of my McMaster DNA Tree:

Keith and Heidi are 3rd cousins once removed.

Morgan

Morgan shows this tree:

Fortunately, the McMaster side is best represented. According to Shared Matches, Morgan could be a first cousin once removed to Keith above. I will try to add Morgan to my Ancestry tree.

For another tree, I see that Violet was born in Tobercurry:

It looks like I already have Frances Jane McMaster in my tree:

Here there are two places where I could connect on the McMaster side. Here are the common ancestors I recognize:

It turns out I already had Morgan in my McMaster DNA Tree:

He is a fourth cousin to Heidi and her siblings.

The 11 Match Cluster

This is also a McMaster Cluster:

However, there are many Frazers in there, but they also descend from Margaret McMaster. Whitney is new to this cluster but descends from Margaret McMaster.

The 18 Match Cluster

Here we have a double cluster. The closer relatives are at the bottom right. Keith and Morgan are the McMasters and the others are in the 2nd cousin range of Frazers. The top left are the Frazer only relatives that are more distant.

The 37 Match Cluster

Here is what I see in general:

BV has been added to the first cluster. Here is the connection:

This gets back to an older McMaster/Frazer connection. After looking more closely at some of the matches, I see that this is the way the clusters should sort out:

This means that it looks like Heidi has more Frazer matches with McMaster connections than without McMaster connections. The second box has Jane as the first match. She matches on two Frazer Lines.

From Jane’s tree showing her grandfather, the lines go back to Archibald Frazer and Anee Stinson and Richard Frazer. The most direct route is on the Richard Frazer Line.

Jane is a fourth cousin once removed to my sister Heidi and her siblings. That is through Violet Frazer on our line who married James Frazer.

Gladys is also in that second cluster. She is a third cousin once removed:

The cluster we are looking at is good because it has 2nd, third and fourth cousins in it. There are many unidentified relatives in the clusters also.

The 38 match cluster is very similar to the 37 match cluster.

Jonathan’s Clusters with Faye

Jon is my brother. Jon and Faye have a good match with each other even though they are 3rd cousins:

I don’t know who NF but he must be in the same relationship range as Faye:

Next, we are up to 7 matches:

This adds in Whitney and Stephen. Here they are in my Frazer DNA tree:

Jumping from 7 to 26 Matches

As above, I am seeing a distinction of two types of Frazer. One does not clearly include McMasters and one includes McMasters. For example, here is the last match, Goosie, who descends from William McMaster and Margaret Frazer:

Jeanette

Jeanette is an interesting match with Jon. Here is her paternal side tree:

Fraser in the cluster is Jeanette’s father. One clue at Ancestry is that Robert Johnston married Ann Frazer. I have Ann in my DNA tree:

I would like to add Jeanette to my Ancestry tree and to my DNA tree. Here is Lethbridge where Jeanette has her grandfather passing away:

I don’t find a lot of clues for Jeanette’s grandfather, so I will have to go with her tree.

Here is Jeanette’s great-grandfather in 1931:

Alexander is buried here:

Here is the family in 1901:

Ancestry has this going back to Ann Frazer (as a suggestion):

Here is Clarence in 1881:

I am thinking that Robert Johnson’s first wife had died by this time as the present wife is only 37. When I add in Robert W Johnston, I get another suggestion:

I do notice this record:

That could be why Michael is in a tight group with Fraser and Jeanette:

Michael descends from the Archibald and Anne Stinson Line through John Frazer:

I have that John was a brother of Mary who married William Johnston. It turns out I had this Line of the Archibald DNA Tree also:

I’ll change the color of this line for consistency:

This is part of the Archibald Frazer/Stinson Line. Michael is on the right in the red circle and I have added his sister Susan.

Here is an old chart I just updated by putting a green box on the right to show another relationship to the Johnston Line It shows the three Frazer brothers:

 

There should be another green line on the right for Mary Frazer who married William Johnston. So, if I have it right (and that is a big if):

  • The Johnston Line is under Philip Frazer and Archibald Frazer
  • My Line (blue) is under Philip Frazer and Richard Frazer
  • I’m not sure if the purple line is right (Falconer)
  • The duller green line with Jane is under Richard and Archibald Frazer.
  • The yellow line (Frazer/Hazzard) is also under Richard and Archibald Frazer
  • Same with the Fraser-Allen Line in a pinkish hue.
  • The least documented line seems to be the Philip Line. I think it is right based on naming patterns and DNA matches.

Here I have added Jeanette’s Line to my tree at Ancestry:

Here is Jeanette’s Line added under my Philip Frazer DNA Tree:

Here she is on the Archibald Line:

Summary and Conclusions

  • It was helpful to look at my older sister and brother to see what some of their Frazer clusters looked like
  • My brother’s clusters added a Johnston Line that I did not have on my Frazer DNA tree previously. This reminded me that the Johnstons are related through the Archibald Line as well as the Philip Frazer Line.
  • This also helped me to work on the Ancestry Tree to update my Johnston connections.
  • I still have two younger sisters who have tested at Ancestry. They may reveal slightly different clusters.
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Clusters from One of My McMaster and Frazer Lines

From studying Frazer DNA matches, I was able to locate one of my Frazer Branches that was more obscure than my obvious line. Here is the closest way to my Frazer ancestry:

My grandmother was Marion M Frazer and her father was James Archibald Frazer. It appears that James’ father George had two Frazer parents. To confuse things more, James’ mother was a McMaster whose maternal great-grandmother was a Frazer. It is this Frazer/McMaster Line that I would like to look at.

My Match with BV

I have a pretty good match with BV considering that she is a 3rd cousin twice removed. Perhaps because of the different ways we are related. Margaret Frazer was married to William McMaster. The family moved to Ontario from Ireland. However, my ancestor, Fanny remained in Ireland and married yet another McMaster.

My Clusters with BV

Here are the DNA clusters that I have with BV:

Before I get into it, it seems my best DNA tree is on the McMaster side:

A 3 Match Cluster

Sometimes simple is better. Here is Robert:

Robert is from the James McMaster Line I was mentioning above. mt must be Robert’s sister:

Here is part of my McMaster DNA Tree:

I added in mt today.

A 4 Cluster Group between BV and Me

I hope that this cluster will be as easy as the first. ck manages B.V.’s kit and is her daughter. It is not obvious to me how Steven and Alannah fit in. Alannah has a pretty good tree:

Johnston is a name associated with Frazer in Ireland. This could be the connection. I have this connection in my tree:

Catherine could be a daughter of William and Mary or John and Jane.

Moving on to a 20 Match Cluster

Here I see 4 clusters. But clusters three and four overlap on Clif and Cluster 1 and 2 overlap on BV and John. This is not surprising considering the Frazers and McMasters intermarrying in my ancestry.

Cluster 1

This is similar to the 3 match cluster above going back to William McMaster and Margaret Frazer. The difference is the addition of Matthew. I know who Matthew is:

Matthew is my third cousin.

Cluster 2

Matthew gives a hint as to Cluster 2. They should be descended from George Frazer and Margaret McMaster. They are all in my Frazer DNA tree already:

I left out my branch, as those matches would be closer than I set the DNA limits.

Some overlap makes sense as we have a McMaster/Frazer cluster next to a Frazer/McMaster cluster.

Cluster 3

I know who Gladys is:

Our connection goes back to two Frazers. Namely, James and Violet:

Kathryn is first cousin or niece to Sandra:

 

It appears that most of the others that I can’t figure out in this Cluster are close relatives to Sandra and Kathryn.

Next is Clif who straddles Cluster 3 and Cluster 4. Here is his tree:

He is also shown as related to Gladys and could be her 1st cousin twice removed. I assume that his connection is on his paternal side which is missing some information.

Clust’er 4

I don’t have a good handle on this cluster. I have been in touch with the administrator for CA’s DNA and she says there is a Frazer connection on her maternal side.

A 26 Match Cluster

These 4 clusters seem someewhat discrete. Cluster 4 does not match with Cluster 3 and Cluster 4 does not match with Cluster 2 except for Clif who I have already mentioned above.

Each cluster seems to go back a generation. Does that mean that Cluster 4 is even older? One common name in that cluster is Acheson. That family lived near my ancestors.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I am still having fun using Ancestry Clusters
  • It is quite helpful being able to choose a person of interest as that focuses the clusters to the area one is interested in.
  • There were no outstanding new revelations, but it is helpful to look at the DNA in a different way
  • There are still other Frazer lines that I may like to cluster.

 

 

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DNA and the Stuart Line

I originally was writing on my Hartley X-DNA, but the Blog morphed more into DNA and the Stuart Line.

X-DNA is somewhat of a compicated subject in that the X Chromosome is never passed down from father to son. I tried working on my wife’s French Canadian X-DNA and found that complicated also – mostly due to the inter-related gn:ealogy.

My Father’s Cousin Joyce

The only X-DNA match I have for Joyce is on her paternal side:

That is the side not related to me.

However, I notice that Joyce has a match with another of my father’s cousin who is Maury:

Actually, there are three matches. Let’s see who these represent.

The common ancestor between Maury and Joyce has to be their maternal grandparents. The DNA could have come from either James Hartley or Annie Louisa Snell (or a mixture of the two between the three segments).

Pink on pink is not the best color, but it will do for now. The match is from Gedmatch which is my only choice as I tested Joyce at Ancestry and Ancestry does not report X-DNA.

Here is another from one of my second cousins. Her X-DNA would go back to the same couple. Her grandmother was a Hartley so she would have received her X-DNA from either James Hartley or Annie Snell:

Beth’s match with Joyce adds some more Hartley and/or Snell X-DNA to right side of Joyce’s profile:

There is another 2nd cousin at Gedmatch, but that would only add more of the same.

My Sister Heidi and Likely Stuart DNA

Heidi matches Charlene at Gedmatch:

That is interesting as it should give a hint as to how they are related due to X-DNA inheritance patterns. In a 2019, I suggested this connection with Charlene, based on triangulation of X Chromosome matches:

Based on the above image, I suggested that the common ancestor was Margaret Stewart as there was no X-DNA passed down from Michael Frazer to his son Archibald. However, in a Blog I wrote earlier this year, I put Charlene on a different part of the Frazer Branch:

This change was based on ThruLines between Charlene and Joanna and the extensive genealogy work that Joanna has done on the Frazer family. At first, it is not clear how an X-DNA match could fit in here, but here is Joanna’s tree:

Joanna and Charlene descend from Archibald Frazer II, but they also descend from Anne Palmer. And Anne Palmer’s mother was a Stewart. Joanna further has this in her tree:

Joanna has that my ancestor Margaret Stewart was a daughter of Thomas Stewart. That means that assuming this scenario is right, the common ancestor between my sister Heidi and Charlene by X-DNA would be Thomas Stewart born in 1725.

Based on that, I will add Heidi’s match with Charlene to her DNA profile. This is what I have currently for Heidi on her X Chromosome:

Heidi has a paternal X match with Emily and several matches on her maternal X Chromosme. The match with Emily goes back to 1846 on the McMaster side. Frazer and hence Stewart are on the Frazer side. Here is the updated match:

Above, I have filtered for just the paternal matches. Here is the likely connection for the X-DNA matches:

My Cousin Paul and Stuart Genealogy

Here is how Paul matches Charlene:

Here is Paul mapped with Charlene on Chromosome 9:

Interestingly, Paul makes a connection to Charlene and BV similar to the one my sister Heidi makes on her X-DNA. I take that connection to go back to Thomas Stuart of 1725 and his wife. This identifies the BV, Sharon and Michele DNA as from along the Stuart Line also.

I had to look up Michele and found her on one of my DNA/Genealogy Charts:

Paul does not have X-DNA of interest to me because his father was a Frazer, so no Frazer X-DNA was passed down to him.

Paul’s Autosomal DNA

Here is what I have now for Paul:

I need to modify the top as this could also be Thomas Stuart and his wife. When I check Gedmatch, this is Paul’s match with Jonathan:

This was missed previously somehow. Perhaps different tests gave slightly different results. Here, I add Jonathan to Paul’s Chromosome 5:

Stuart and McPartland

I have long pondered the McPartland family and how they fit in with the Frazers. It appears that they have a connection with the Stuart family. I already showed how Charlene descends from the McPartland Line.

I don’t see Karen anymore at Gedmatch, but from a 2017 Blog I wrote, I see that my sister Heidi and Karen had this X-DNA match:

I have never added this information manually, but it’s not too late to learn:

Here I have added Karen and Chris (though they came out quite large):

Sharon and Charlene

From my 2017 Blog, I see I mentioned that my sister Sharon matches Charlene:

Here I have added Charlene to Sharon’s DNA profile using DNA Painter:

Here the DNA is ‘walked back’ from Paul and his McMaster ancestor, to Michele with Margaret Stewart ancestor (married to Michale Frazer) to Charlene who has an ancestor who was the sister of Margaret Stuart.

People Who Match Sharon and Karen

I used a comparison tool at Gedmatch:

Sharon and Karen

Sharon and Karen also match on Chromosome 9:

Adding this result to Chromosome 9 on Sharon’s profile is interesting:

 

Note that there is a break where Charlene’s match stops and Karen stops. That likely represents what I call a crossover. That crossover could be the difference between Thomas Stuart born 1725 and his wife. I don’t know which is which but I think one segment belongs to the husband Stuart and one to the wife.

Sharon and Brian

I was able to find the match between Brian and Sharon at Ancestry:

He shows having our common ancestors as Michael Frazer, but I no longer believe that to be correct. Brian should be in this box with Chris and Karen:

Sharon and Brian’s Shared Matches

The other interesting thing about Brian is that because he tested at Ancestry, he has shared matches with Sharon. One of those shared matches is also on the McPartland Line:

I hope this theory is right, because I have had many other theories about where the McPartlands fit in with my genealogy that have seemed to be wrong.

Patrice: Shared Match with Brian and Sharon

Ancestry has what I would call a wild guess as to how these two may connect:

This is where I had previously placed Patrice on my Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart:

I think that my tree is the more correct one.

Jonathan and Jonathan

By my recollection, my brother Jonathan matches Frazer researcher Joanna’s brother:

By the Frazer Line these two would be fifth cousins twice removed. However, by the Stuart Line:

Also 5th cousins twice removed. However, I suppose that based on the genealogy, there was twice as much chance that the two Jonathans would match each other at this distant relationship.

Here, I have mapped Joanna’s brother onto my brother’s DNA profile:

In the key I have noted that the match could be Frazer, Fitzgerald or Stuart. It could also be from the unknown wife of Thomas Stuart. Or, the match could even be from another unknown line. However, I am sticking to what I think I know. It may be possible to know where that match comeps from if there were more overlapping matches. Paul’s match overlaps, but he also descends from McMaster and Frazer. If there was an overlap that was just McMaster, I would say the Jonathan DNA would be Stuart. If the and overlap was with someone with just Frazer ancetry, I would say the common ancestor DNA would be Frazer/Fitzgerald.

The Two Jonathans’ Shared Matches

Here is the shared list at Gedmatch:

I am interested in Bonnie as I know of her. Although she shows as a match at Gedmatch, she does not show as a match at Ancestry.

Bonnie also has Stewart and Frazer ancestry:

That means that any match that my family has with her could equally be on the Frazer side or Stuart side.

Bonnie shows as a 4th cousin once removed to my family. DNA matching with Bonnie could be from either the Frazer side or Stuart side. Here is my brother’s match with Bonnie:

Here is Bonnie’s Frazer or Stuart DNA added to my brother Jon’s DNA profile:

Paul and Jonathan’s Shared Matches

Here is what they look like at Gedmatch:

One name that caught my eye is Gail.

Gail is in one of the boxes with a different color. Gail’s line goes through Archibald born about 1792 who married Anne Palmer. That puts her in the category of one who could be related on the Frazer side or the Stuart side. Here is how she matches Paul:

This match fills in a gap in Paul’s DNA profile on Chromosome 12:

There are no overlapping matches in that area, so this may represent Frazer, Fitzgerald, Stuart or wife of Stuart DNA.

Paul and Joanna

Joanna is a good choice as she has shared her Ancestry results with me.

Here I see Gail again, and I recognize Bob:

Bob is one of those matches that has a chance of matching Paul doubly.

Here I add Bob in one of the places where he and Paul could match on the Stuart Line:

 

Also I recognize kimac who my notes say is Rodney on my tree: and a brother to Gail. He will map with Gail, but I will add him.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I started out looking at my family’s Hartley X-DNA connections
  • This quickly lead to my Frazer side as X-DNA stops at my father’s father.
  • However, it occurs to me that if I looked at my father’s two cousins’ X-DNA results, it may result in something as their mothers were Hartleys and the X-DNA would continue on.
  • This Blog continues to enforce the fact that I have Stuart ancestors. Those ancestors are on my Frazer side who were ancestors of my McMaster ancestors.
  • There is still room for more research on Hartley X-DNA and Stuart DNA and genealogy.

 

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Another Frazer Theory for My Cousin Paul

My cousin Paul is an important match because he is from a generation closer to my Frazer ancestry compared to me. Here is a Theory I see at MyHeritage:

The Theory says that Paul and Michele are 5th cousins going back to Michael Frazer born 1764 and Margaret Stewart. Here is Michele’s tree at MyHeritage:

Here tree shows her going back to Archibald Frazer and Catherine Knott. When I expand Michele’s Tree, it goes back to where we potentially connect:

I have a tree for Michael Frazer which has DNA matches. Here is the part with Archibald Frazer and Catherine Knott:

Apparently, the daughter Catherine married a Petterson and then a Patton – confusing. I already have the tree down to Homer Hanham which Michele shows as her great-grandfather. My Ancestry Tree goes down as far as Rachel Patton. Here is a photo I found at Ancestry:

Here is Rachel in the 1900 Census:

Rachel is buried in Tecumseh, Michigan:

Homer is a teacher in Toledo, Ohio in 1940. Here is Judith Ann in the 1940 Census:

I have added Michele to my Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Tree:

Michele’s DNA

Paul and Michele share a match with my sister Sharon:

The three share a match on Chromosome 9:

That should represent a large chunk of DNA from either Michael Frazer or his wife, Margaret Stewart.

DNA Painter

I can add that DNA to Paul’s DNA Painter profile:

I can also ‘paint’ Sharon’s match. For some reason, she does not have the same Theory yet.

The same problem shows where Paul and Sharon are not matching in the middle. This may be due to the centromere:

That is the part of the chromosome shown by the arrow. I probably had Paul and Sharon’s match from a different company. Here is how Sharon and Paul match at MyHeritage:

Note that there is a break in the DNA Painter Profile. Paul and Michele’s match ends and then the Doreen and Gladys matches start. That is where Sharon’s DNA goes from McMaster DNA to Frazer DNA. Or more specifically, from Margaret McMaster’s to George Frazer’s DNA. Doreen and Gladys are from an earlier line of Frazers. Likewise, Margaret McMaster’s ancestry goes back to Michael Frazer and Margaret Stewart. It seems unusual that such a large segment would travel down through the ages.

Visual Phasing of Chromosome 9

I have done visual phasing for my siblings and myself:

Sharon got a full paternal chromosome of Frazer on her Chromosome 9 as seen by the color Blue. My brother Jim got some, so he may match Michele also. I checked my brother Jim’s matches for Michele, but she did not come up. I checked the location of the match and it starts at about the location where my brother Jim’s Frazer DNA inheritance ends – about location 23 or so.

Summary and Conclusions

  • I was happy to find a Frazer Theory for my cousin Paul that filled in some DNA for Paul and my sister Sharon
  • I was able to add Michele to my Michael Frazer DNA/Genealogy Chart
  • For a match going back to the 1700’s, Michele shares a lot of DNA with Paul and Sharon.