{"id":22164,"date":"2023-06-10T22:00:10","date_gmt":"2023-06-10T22:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=22164"},"modified":"2023-06-10T22:00:10","modified_gmt":"2023-06-10T22:00:10","slug":"frazer-relative-richard-at-myheritage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2023\/06\/10\/frazer-relative-richard-at-myheritage\/","title":{"rendered":"Frazer Relative Richard at MyHeritage"},"content":{"rendered":"

A match recently showed up for me with Richard. I have been in touch with Richard before who is a match to me at AncestryDNA also:<\/p>\n

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Here is my match with Richard at MyHeritage:<\/p>\n

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I have written other Blogs about Richard. Here is one where I mention two other Blogs<\/a>. Richard’s genealogy and\u00a0 DNA match give evidence of our common descent from Phillip Frazer as shown in the image above.<\/p>\n

\u00a0Richard and DNAPainter<\/h2>\n

I have not added Richard to my DNAPainter profile. Here is Richard added to my Chromosome 7:<\/p>\n

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The match is small and does not show up at Gedmatch where Richard also has his DNA results. However, the matches are those that I have as being from the Philip Frazer Line.<\/p>\n

Here is my match with Richard on Chromosome 17:<\/p>\n

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Here Rihard overlaps with his brother Barry and also with Michael whose ancestry goes back to Richard Frazer. It is possible that the connection could be from the father of Richard and Philip who was Archibald Frazer.<\/p>\n

My Philip Line DNA\/Genealogy Tree<\/h2>\n

Here is part of the tree as I have it:<\/p>\n

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Richard and Barry are in the green area. I cut off much of my own line. Due to intermarriage and some missing wives’ names, it can be difficult to trace the DNA. For example, my ancestor James Frazer married his cousin Violet Frazer who was the daughter of Richard Frazer, the brother of Philip Frazer. Also I have no wives’ names for Philip or Richard.<\/p>\n

My Sister Lori and Barry<\/h2>\n

My sister Lori has a good match with Richard’s brother Barry:<\/p>\n

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Here are Lori and Barry’s shared matches at AncestryDNA:<\/p>\n

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A blue dot means I probably have not looked at these matches.<\/p>\n

This is how Lori and Barry match at Gedmatch:<\/p>\n

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Here is Barry added to Lori’s DNAPainter Profile:<\/p>\n

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Some Philip Frazer Genealogy<\/h2>\n

The genealogy goes back to the 1700’s and is a bit unclear. I have this 1950’s genealogy:<\/p>\n

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I clearly descend from James and Violet Frazer. Violet was a daughter of Richard Frazer. The above genealogy has Philip and George as the sons of Philip. My best guess is that James was a third son of Philip.<\/p>\n

Here is the Tithe Applotment for Derrycastle (or Derrycashel):<\/p>\n

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Here we have listed George, Philip and James Frazer. My theory is that these three were sons of Philip Frazer. They may or may not be listed in their birth order. Ancestry gives the date of this record as 1833, but I am not sure of the actual date of the record.<\/p>\n

Here is what I have at my web page:<\/p>\n

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Philip was a farmer probably in Derrycashel. He had three sons. The birth order is probably backwards above. He was born probably between 1751 and 1776. By the Tithe Applotment around 1833, he had probably passed away but his three children were still living in the area. As we have no further information about George other than a death date, he may have not married or if he did may not have had children.<\/p>\n

I know that my 3rd great-grandfather James Frazer lived in this house in Derrycashel:<\/p>\n

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Perhaps his father Philip also lived there. George died in 1831. That means that the Tithe Applotment was before that time or that the Applotment listed the land as being still under George’s name. My 2nd great-grandfather George Wiliiam Frazer may have been named after this George.<\/p>\n

Philip. Son of Philip and the 1830 Freeholder’s List<\/h3>\n

Joanna, a Frazer researcher living in Scotland has this document on her Frazer Tree at Ancestry:<\/p>\n

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This is an extract from the Roscommon Leitrim Gazette from September 1830 listing a Philip Frazer as a freeholder in Smutterna and Aughrefinnegan. This is interesting as it was unusual for people to own land during this time.<\/p>\n

Here is Smutternaugh:<\/p>\n

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Smutternaugh is a few townlands away from Derrycashel.<\/p>\n

Here is what I have on my old web page on the Frazers:<\/p>\n

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I believe that Anne was another daughter born to Philip in 1833.\u00a0 These children appear to have been baptized in Kilmactranny Parish. This is in Sligo County. The Kilmactranny records have missiong information which would account for why there is no record for Anne Frazer.<\/p>\n

I am trying to think of a scenario that would have Philip being a freeholder in Smutternaugh and also being a farmer in Derrycashel. One possibility would be that it was Philip the father who owned the land in Smutternaugh and the children lived in Derrycashel. The question would be: why did the land not go to the children?<\/p>\n

More on Freeholders<\/h4>\n

I wrote to Frazer researcher Joanna and she was able to give additional insight to the Freeholder’s List. I think that Joanna was quoting here from an article:<\/p>\n

“If your ancestor was a substantial small\u00a0farmer\u00a0or\u00a0merchant, he was likely to have been a freeholder, especially if your ancestral farm or property holding (albeit rented)\u00a0dates back to pre-famine times.<\/em><\/p>\n

If your ancestor was a\u00a0tenant\u00a0he may have been a freeholder depending on the type of lease he had with his landlord.\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n