Here is where I am with visual phasing of my father-in-law’s Butler side:
I started about four or five years ago and recently have been updating their visual phasing. Visual Phasing maps out in what way three siblings got their DNA from their four grandparents.
I’ll look at the chromosomes that I haven’t completed and see if I can complete or improve on any of them.
I’ll update this to Excel and start over. The crossovers seem straightforward until we get to the right end. Then there are three in a row:
Here is my attempt at visual phasing:
When there are two crossovers in a row for the same person, it means that there is usually a Half Identical Region (HIR) which goes unidentified.
If I add some more Pouliot to Virginia’s DNAPainter map, it will help. I will also add more LeFevre:
This brings Virginia up to 18% painted.
Next, I’ll add the LeFevre matches to Lorraine’s map:
This doesn’t add any new LeFevre information for Lorraine, but may be helpful for other chromosomes. Next, I put the DNAPainter maps below the Visual Phasing Chart. This will tell if the theoretical and actual matches agree:
The scales may not match here. For Lorraine, it is clear that there is a crossover from LeFevre (blues) to Pouliot at 205:
I checked Richard vs. Virginia and that crossover is actually 204, not 202.
Virginia has a crossover from Pouliot to LeFevre at the same location:
That likely means that Richard does not have a crossover at 204. That is good to know.
Now Chromosome 1 is starting to come into it’s own. I see that Richard has a crossover here:
At 217, the crossover goes from Pouliot to LeFevre. I also see that Richard matches a LeFevre here:
I now have Richard and Virginia’s maternal sides finished and identified:
I think that this is as far as I can get, unless I find more matches between 0 and 70:
I had that this Chromosome was not started.
I recopied these comparisons from Gedmatch as he previous ones didn’t seem right. This is what I get without looking at Half Identical Regions (HIRs):
When I add my one allowed HIR, I get this:
Next I added in matches from DNAPainter:
Virginia has a large match that Lorraine and Richard do not have. This match is from 75 to 118. Michelle represents LeFevre, so green must represent Lefevre. Dark blue on Lorraines bar is also Lefevre, so that would support salmon being Lefevre. Then there are the three Michelle matches near the beginning of Chromosome 5.
- Lorraine: 18-31
- Virginia: 28-34
- Richard: 18-34
This suggests that Lorrain has Lefevre to Pouliot crossover at 31 and that Virginia has a Pouliot to Lefevre crossover at 28. That is good, but it means that I have to adjust my crossovers. Instead of two Richard crossovers, there is a Virginia crossover and then a Lorraine crossover. I think the problem is that I didn’t add enough detail to the comparisons. For that, I will need to lower the match level to 3 cM:
This shows another segment from 35 to 38. I may have to come back to this Chromosome as it seems quite complicated – especially in the region around the 30’s.
Here is the work I had done in 2016:
I redid Chromosome 8 in Excel:
This time I saw an R and L crossover where I saw a V crossover previously on the right side of the Chromosome. This is what I get this time:
The small blue segment on Lorraine’s top bar looks ridiculous, so I will take that out. Next, I add information from DNAPainter. However, these matches are Lefevre only:
This tells me that Lefevre is salmon and Pouliot is green. This completes the mapping for Lorraine and Richard, but it does not identify and paternal segments. The arrows point out where the crossovers were for Richard and Lorraine, that I had previously identified as a Virgininia crossover:
It may look like Virginia should have a maternal crossover, but that is only because I did not map one of her segments. I just did that and here is here extra segment:
Joseph Methot was the father-in-law of Edmund LeFevre, so on the LeFevre side.
Here is what I had done with Chromosome 13 in 2017:
An identifying match for Virginia would help between 39 and 59.
It turns out that Virginia’s match with Philip that I just added is helpful. The match was between 40 and 60:
It appears that there was a match to a Rooney descendant which is on the Kerivan side. That helped identify the maternal side of Chromosome 13. While I’m at it, I’ll add Philip to Richard’s DNA Painter Map:
Richard’s match with Philip starts at 36, so it defines Virginia’s crossover from Pouliot to Lefevre at 39 or 40.
I had origingally worked on this Chromosome in Word. I redid the work in Excel and came up with the same basic results:
Next, I look at DNA Painter. Here is what I have for Richard:
He shows Pouliot at the start and near the end. then in the middle, there is some really old Lefevre DNA going back to 1715. This is from a match from Christine, that I found at Gedmatch. She had uploaded from Ancestry, but I can’t find her at Ancestry right now. However, I assume that I had the common ancestors correct. I see that Richard also has a match to Doris at MyHeritage. This common ancestor is on the Pouliot side:
This should define a Pouliot to Lefevre crossover at about 50. The problem is that I haven’t identified a crossover for Richard or any crossover at the 50 location on Chromosome 16.
One thing that I do know is that all three Butler siblings match on the Pouliot side at the beginning of the Chromosome:
Virginia and Lorraine do not match on the Pouliot side near the end of the Chromosome, so I came up with the above map. I think that French Canadian intermarriage may have messed with the middle of the Chromosome, so I may have to change this at some point.
Looking for Paternal Matches
I went to Gedmatch to download 1,000 of Richard’s newest matches. Most of these should be from Ancestry. As Richard tested at FTDNA, I would be better off downloading VIrginia and Lorraine’s results. They tested at Ancestry. However, I did find something interesting on Richard’s old spreadsheet:
Here is a match James who I have on Richard’s maternal side. My note says he has Cincinnati roots. Here is the maternal side of his tree at FTDNA:
The least documented side is Branch where I think the connection is. Alma’s mother was Rebecca Butler based on Alma’s marriage record:
Here is Rebecca in the 1870 Ward 17 Cincinnati Census:
My working theory is that my wife’s Butlers are related to these Butlers. That helps me solve Chromosme 16:
Here is how Richard and James match:
This is how I have connected the two trees, but I don’t have the genealogy to do it at the top level.
Lorraine Matches James Also
Lorraine matches James here on Chromosomes 4 and 16:
Virginia matches James on Chromosome 4 only.
Summary and Conclusions
- 9 out of the Butler sibling’s chromosomes are believed to be completed
- While looking for paternal matches for Visual Phasing, I found one that I had discovered in 2015. It turns out that this match was a descendant of the Cincinnati Butlers who are related to my wife’s Butlers by DNA.
- DNA Painter has been helpful in identifying matches also and I have been adding to these three Butler siblings’ maps
- The only cousins on the Butler grandparent side used to check the visual phasing are those that have not been proved by genealogy, but are certainly cousins by DNA.
- I will continue on with Chromosomes 17 through 22 in a subsequent Blog