My last Blog on Penny is here. That was prior to ThruLines. I also wrote a Blog on Penny’s sister Toni here. Toni’s DNA is not linked to her tree, so she does not have ThruLines.
Penny’s Genealogy
Penny is in red in the lower left. She descends for William Fitzgerald Frazer. This tree is based on research by Frazer researcher, Joanna.
William Fitzgerald Frazer Born 1821 Ireland
I am interested in William Fitzgerald Frazer:
Penny mentions a biography in her Ancestry Tree:
This was from An illustrated history of Sacramento County, California. Containing a history of Sacramento County from the earliest period of its occupancy to the present time published in 1890. Penny further gives this chronology for William:
This raises questions as to the mother of the first three children. Penny also mentions another daughter Angelina G Frazer as mentioned in William’s will. She is named as Angeline G Law. That gives a hint:
In 1911, Angelina is listed as Gracella. I assume that was her middle name:
This puts William Fitzgerald in Leitrim in the 1840’s. Here is another interesting record:
In this record Angelina “Gracenda” is listed as Augustine. Here is Angelina’s wedding publication from 1872 – not long after her father’s divorce:
This more specifically puts William in Drumkeerin:
That means that William Fitzgerald Frazer lived in Drumkeeran. He had Angelina Gracenda around 1843. His second daughter appears to have been Mary Ann Frazer. Penny has her born in 1844.
Mary Ann Frazer
Mary Ann married in 1864:
About a year later, these two were living in Poughkeepsie, New York:
Thomas Quinton may be William’s father. Margaret Frazier is Mary A’s sister. Poughkeepsie is on the Hudson River:
How Can the DNA Help Us?
Right now on the James side of the Frazer Tree, descendants have been placed into two main branches:
There is an Archibald Branch on the left where Penny is. There is a Michael Branch on the right. There is an Elizabeth branch in the middle also. However, her daughter Catherine Knott married Archibald believed to be the son of Michael on the right side. We can use the DNA matches to test the genealogies above. First, I try to see if the DNA supports that the people within the box on the left match each other. Then I see if they match the people in the box on the right at the appropriate levels.
Penny’s ThruLines
Penny’s first cousin level ThruLines are good:
89% of the time Penelope’s match with Pamela should be a 1st cousin once removed or similar relationship:
Penny’s ThruLines with William Fitzgerald Frazer
At Penny’s Frazer great grandparent level there are no new ThruLines. There are some at the 2nd great-grandparent level:
These matches are from the descendants of Mary Ann Frazer. I’ll start a chart for Penn y:
Penny and Frazer Third Great-grandfather ThruLines
This part goes beyond Penny’s Ancestry Tree to work that Frazer reasearcher Joanna has done:
Here there are 7 matches to Penny on the Thomas Henry Frazer Line. Joanna has that Thomas Henry Frazer was born in Drumkeerin, so there is that connection. Joanna is on the Edward F Frazer Branch. I should point out that Penny has no matches on the Edward Wynn Branch:
Edward Wynn is the brother in the middle group above.
Penny’s Distant ThruLines
When I put the common ancestor up two more generations to James Frazer born about 1720, I pick up two additional matches for Penny:
These two matches were recently added under Michael to explain DNA matches. It would make sense that Penny could match these two, as the theory is that Mary married William Frazer:
Adding Penny’s ThruLines to Madeline’s and Charlotte’s
Although Penny doesn’t share any ThruLine matches with Madeline and Charlotte, they both match some of the same matches as shown in blue below:
I think that Charlotte’s match to JS above is really Janet. The question is: if Penny, Charlotte and Madeline have many of the same ThruLines, then why doesn’t Penny match Charlotte and Madeline? I suppose there could be many explanations:
- The common ancestor is Archibald born 1792. Charlotte and Madeline may be related on the Archibald side and Penny may be related on Archibald’s wife’s side. That would result in Penny not matching Charlotte and Madeline.
- Another variation of that is that Archibald may have had more than one wife. Penny may descend from one wife and Charlotte and Madeline from another.
- It may be that we have the genealogy wrong.
- There may be other connections on collateral lines.
Adding In Joanna
If I add in Joanna to the mix, I’ll have representatives from the three brothers:
These are William Fitzgerald, Edward Wynn Frazer and Thomas Henry Frazer (Joanna’s great-grandfather). Here is a partial list of Joanna’s ThruLines:
I’m more interested in the matches at the third cousin level. Here we have the two brothers plus Ann. The third brother doesn’t show here as he shows at the 2nd cousin level for Joanna. For some reason, the ThruLines seemed to skip a generationbetween William Fitzgerald 1821 and Minnie Jane born 1895. I have written quite a bit about the McPartland Branch. They have the Ancestor Ann Frazer who has been difficult to place. Joanna has made a guess that she was the daughter of her 2nd great-grandfather Archibald born 1792. I have been going back and forth as to whether Ann should be under Archibald or Michael Frazer.
Another interesting point is that Edward Archibald born 1867 ended up in Poughkeepsie, NY where Mary A Frazer Quinton and Margaret Jane Frazer lived in 1855. I don’t know if this is a coincidence or not.
I see that Joanna matches WG. WG is on the Edward Wynn Branch where Madeline and Charlotte are. Joanna has a good match with WG but Madeline and Charlotte do not. This may be a coincidence, but I would keep my eye on this situation. For Charlotte and Madeline the level that they match WG indicates a second cousin once removed only <1% of the time:
I added WG into the tree here:
Joanna and James of Clerragh
I didn’t see any additional ThruLines for Joanna at her Archibald/Peyton level. However, there are some new ones at the level of James of Clerragh:
The odd thing with this ThruLine is that Archibald born 1690 who is usally the father of James of Clerragh is shown as James’ son. However, the relationship shown is correct at 2nd cousin once removed.
When I add the results in with the others, I get this:
Those are a lot of numbers to look at. Basically:
- Penny had no ThruLine matches at her 2nd cousin level.
- Joanna shows good match levels at the 2nd cousin level. That is, except with Chris
- Madeline and Charlotte show poor 2nd cousin match levels. However, the matches are just with one person. Perhaps there are not many descendants on this line who have had their DNA tested.
- At the third cousin level out of all the matches, there are no perfect scores. I am not sure why that is. If I add up all the percentages for the relationships and divide by the top percentages in the third cousin range, I get 42%. As these ThruLines are somewhat new, I don’t know how usual or unusual that is. The results seem anemic to me. It is as if Archibald Frazer had each of his sons by different wives.
Here are the rest of the results:
At the fourth cousin level, Penny has matches with the Thomas Henry Branch, but not the Edward Wynn Branch.
Summary and Conclusions
- Looking back at my Blog on Penny’s sister Toni, it appears that Toni had better Frazer matches. However, Toni has not linked her DNA to her Ancestry Tree and therefor does not show up on ThruLines.
- If Toni links her DNA to her Ancestry Tree, we should get a fuller picture of the situation.
- I had fun getting a better understanding of Penny and Toni’s genealogy.
- Perhaps as a result of Penny’s less than average matches on the Frazer side, the DNA matches looked a bit anemic.
- However, having said that, at the third cousin level there are a lot of matches under Archibald Frazer born in 1792. However, they appear to be all less than perfect matches, with only one match that I see that is above average. That is the match between Charlotte and Gail at 97 cM.