{"id":8679,"date":"2018-12-14T17:19:33","date_gmt":"2018-12-14T17:19:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=8679"},"modified":"2018-12-14T17:19:33","modified_gmt":"2018-12-14T17:19:33","slug":"fun-with-an-ancestrydna-lentz-circle","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/12\/14\/fun-with-an-ancestrydna-lentz-circle\/","title":{"rendered":"Fun With an AncestryDNA Lentz Circle"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My Lentz Line has been difficult to nail down. The genealogy has been difficult and it has been difficult to assign a lot of DNA to Lentz ancestors<\/p>\n<h2>My Lentz Circle at AncestryDNA<\/h2>\n<p>Ancestry has been helpful in the Lentz area. Here are my AncestryDNA Circles:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_45_23-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8681\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_45_23-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1025\" height=\"698\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_45_23-Window.png 1025w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_45_23-Window-300x204.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_45_23-Window-768x523.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_45_23-Window-1024x697.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Lentz is one of my smallest circle with 9 members:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_47_10-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8682\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_47_10-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"684\" height=\"694\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_47_10-Window.png 684w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_47_10-Window-296x300.png 296w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_47_10-Window-100x100.png 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 684px) 100vw, 684px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Six of those 9 members are from my family. That leaves two other groups with a total of three people in them. In the Deborah Family group, there are two Deborah&#8217;s. They appear to be mother and daughter. I built out the tree of the mother and found a common ancestor in John Lentz. Then I found the tree of the daughter Deborah and she had already built out her tree as seen here:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_57_21-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8683\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_57_21-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"455\" height=\"304\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_57_21-Window.png 455w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_57_21-Window-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 455px) 100vw, 455px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>John Lentz is on the younger Debbie&#8217;s mother&#8217;s father&#8217;s father&#8217;s line or her great-grandfather Davenport&#8217;s Line. This matches up well with my Lentz Web Page:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_59_31-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8684\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_59_31-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"925\" height=\"393\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_59_31-Window.png 925w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_59_31-Window-300x127.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-07_59_31-Window-768x326.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I was unclear as to whether John had one or two wives. Debbie has identified the wife as Elisabeth Riehl. I didn&#8217;t follow the line down of William Andrew. However, I have more information on my Ancestry Tree, which puts my Web Page out of date:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_03_18-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8685\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_03_18-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"436\" height=\"502\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_03_18-Window.png 436w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_03_18-Window-261x300.png 261w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 436px) 100vw, 436px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Lentz DNA<\/h2>\n<p>One interesting thing is that I do not match either Deborah at AncestryDNA. They do, however, match my mother and some of my siblings. Here is my mom&#8217;s match with the elder Deborah:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_10_10-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8686\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_10_10-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"343\" height=\"130\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_10_10-Window.png 343w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_10_10-Window-300x114.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 343px) 100vw, 343px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>What is more interesting is that the younger Debbie uploaded her DNA results to Gedmatch. This is what the match looks like between Debbie and my Mom:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_12_11-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8687\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_12_11-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"435\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_12_11-Window.png 435w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_12_11-Window-300x161.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 435px) 100vw, 435px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>By DNA, my mom, Gladys and the younger Debbie could be fourth cousins. However, Debbie and her mom match my mom at about the same amount of DNA. That means Debbie&#8217;s mom passed down all the Lentz DNA that matches my mom to her daughter. This DNA match is on the shortest Chromosome.<\/p>\n<h3>Visual Phasing for My Siblings &#8211; Chromosome 22<\/h3>\n<p>I performed visual phasing on my DNA. Here is what I had for Chromosome 22:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_35_55-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8690\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_35_55-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1056\" height=\"303\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_35_55-Window.png 1056w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_35_55-Window-300x86.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_35_55-Window-768x220.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_35_55-Window-1024x294.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This matches up with what Gedmatch shows as Debbie&#8217;s matches with my family:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-10_25_09-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8692\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-10_25_09-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"496\" height=\"335\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-10_25_09-Window.png 496w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-10_25_09-Window-300x203.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 496px) 100vw, 496px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In this case the reportable matches start at about 15M, so that is where Jim, Heidi and Lori have Lentz DNA shown in green on the left hand side of my Chromosome 22 map above.<\/p>\n<h3>A Lentz DNA Tree<\/h3>\n<p>I have drawn a tree of the Lentz descendants who have had their DNA tested. I had missed Debbie, so she is not there yet:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_15_02-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8688\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_15_02-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"630\" height=\"616\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_15_02-Window.png 630w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_15_02-Window-300x293.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 630px) 100vw, 630px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I am on the left side of the tree. I also descend from the Nicholsons and get a lot of matches with that family. The right side of the tree is more specific as I have no Nicholson relatives there, but the relationships are further out. I am already tracking two people from the William Andrew Line there.<\/p>\n<p>Here are the two Deborah&#8217;s added in:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_33_17-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8689\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_33_17-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"840\" height=\"707\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_33_17-Window.png 840w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_33_17-Window-300x253.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-08_33_17-Window-768x646.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This shows that my mom is a fourth cousin to the elder Deborah and I am a 5th cousin to the younger Deborah.<\/p>\n<p>Here is how Debbie matches Radelle, Al and Stephen on Chromosome 12:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_04_29-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8693\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_04_29-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"635\" height=\"305\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_04_29-Window.png 635w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_04_29-Window-300x144.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 635px) 100vw, 635px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This suggests triangulation between these four people which would indicate a common ancestor:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_05_40-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8694\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_05_40-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"426\" height=\"555\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_05_40-Window.png 426w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_05_40-Window-230x300.png 230w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 426px) 100vw, 426px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My mom matches Radelle and Deborah, but on different Chromosomes. Hence, the Ancestry Circle.<\/p>\n<h2>Painting Debbie&#8217;s Match to My Mom<\/h2>\n<p>This is what I had previously for my mom&#8217;s John Lentz DNA based on her match with Radelle. That match is in dark green.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_17_57-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8695\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_17_57-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"748\" height=\"940\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_17_57-Window.png 748w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_17_57-Window-239x300.png 239w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I need to add Mom&#8217;s Lentz DNA to Chromosome 22:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_22_35-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-8696\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_22_35-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"749\" height=\"288\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_22_35-Window.png 749w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/2018-12-14-11_22_35-Window-300x115.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This doesn&#8217;t look like much, but it doubles what my mom had on Chromosome 22 previously.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Reviewing my AncestryDNA Circles lead me to a Lentz descendant who I had overlooked.<\/li>\n<li>One of the people in the Circle had uploaded her DNA to Gedmatch. I had seen her match before, but didn&#8217;t know exactly how we connected on my mother&#8217;s line.<\/li>\n<li>Because Debbie uploaded her DNA to Gedmatch, I was able to tell exactly where she matches different Lentz descendants.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My Lentz Line has been difficult to nail down. The genealogy has been difficult and it has been difficult to assign a lot of DNA to Lentz ancestors My Lentz Circle at AncestryDNA Ancestry has been helpful in the Lentz area. Here are my AncestryDNA Circles: Lentz is one of my smallest circle with 9 &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/12\/14\/fun-with-an-ancestrydna-lentz-circle\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Fun With an AncestryDNA Lentz Circle&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,17,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8679","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-lentznicholson","category-rathfelderlentznicholson-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8679","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8679"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8679\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8699,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8679\/revisions\/8699"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8679"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8679"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8679"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}