{"id":6567,"date":"2018-06-21T18:34:49","date_gmt":"2018-06-21T18:34:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=6567"},"modified":"2021-06-10T21:08:26","modified_gmt":"2021-06-10T21:08:26","slug":"the-butlers-of-poulrone-county-kilkenny","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/06\/21\/the-butlers-of-poulrone-county-kilkenny\/","title":{"rendered":"The Butlers of Poulrone, County Kilkenny"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I recently got an email from Peter. Peter is helping me research my wife&#8217;s Butler ancestry. Peter pointed out that we were a little off in our geography.<\/p>\n<h2>The Case of Two Poulrones<\/h2>\n<p>Here is what Peter writes:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>Our Polrone is not associated with Mooncoin but with Tullahought in the Barony of Kells which is in Windgap, in the Carrick on Suir Union, sometimes the diocese overlap the Civil boundaries but not in this case. The two Polroanes are only about 6 miles apart!!!!!<\/em><\/p>\n<p>From my website on the Butlers, I had this incorrect location for the Butler&#8217;s Poulrone:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/Poulrone.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6568\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/Poulrone.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"415\" height=\"356\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/Poulrone.jpg 415w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/Poulrone-300x257.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 415px) 100vw, 415px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>The Right Poulrone for the Butlers Is In Tullahought<\/h3>\n<p>Tullahought would be called a Civil Parish &#8211; an administrative district. According to Wikipedia:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>Tullahought<\/b>\u00a0(<a title=\"Irish language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Irish_language\">Irish<\/a>:\u00a0<i>Tulach Dhocht<\/i>, meaning &#8220;eight hills&#8221;) is a small village in south\u00a0<a title=\"Kilkenny\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kilkenny\">Kilkenny<\/a>. Tullahought, also a townsland in the area, is located approximately 8 miles north of\u00a0<a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Carrick on Suir\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carrick_on_Suir\">Carrick on Suir<\/a>\u00a0and 25 miles south of\u00a0<a title=\"Kilkenny\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kilkenny\">Kilkenny City<\/a>. The village, itself located in the towns land of Kilmacoliver and Poulrone is best known for its association with the Ormonde Slate Quarries which is situated at the foot of the Booly Hills, on which Tullahought is situated.<\/p>\n<p>This entry came in handy as I had trouble locating the Townland of Poulrone on a Google Map. Here is the location of Tullahought:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_23_52-Tullahought-Google-Maps.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6569\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_23_52-Tullahought-Google-Maps.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"474\" height=\"740\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_23_52-Tullahought-Google-Maps.png 474w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_23_52-Tullahought-Google-Maps-192x300.png 192w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 474px) 100vw, 474px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The correct Poulrone is to the North of Mooncoin in the Roman Catholic Parish of Windgap.<\/p>\n<h3>More Details of the Right Poulrone<\/h3>\n<p>Peter supplied me with this map:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_39_32-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6570\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_39_32-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"787\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_39_32-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook.png 787w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_39_32-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook-300x197.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-12_39_32-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook-768x505.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Tullahought is named at the top center of the map at the intersection of heavy red lines indicating Townlands. The upper left of the map shows the boundary between\u00a0County Kilkenny\u00a0and County Tipperary. The Butler&#8217;s Poulrone is the Townland in the middle of the map. The Butler&#8217;s farm would have been one of the numbered lots within Poulrone.<\/p>\n<h2>Windgap Parish Map<\/h2>\n<p>Here is the Parish of Windgap on the Western border of County Kilkenny:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-13_09_15-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6571\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-13_09_15-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"315\" height=\"558\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-13_09_15-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png 315w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-19-13_09_15-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-169x300.png 169w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 315px) 100vw, 315px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Records Linking Butlers to Poulrone<\/h2>\n<p>I&#8217;ve given the geography, but what are the records linking the Butlers to Poulrone?<\/p>\n<p>The first record is from 1824:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_15_44-Descendants-of-Michael-Butler-of-Poulroan-Windgap-Parish-County-Kilkenny.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6573\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_15_44-Descendants-of-Michael-Butler-of-Poulroan-Windgap-Parish-County-Kilkenny.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"808\" height=\"164\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_15_44-Descendants-of-Michael-Butler-of-Poulroan-Windgap-Parish-County-Kilkenny.png 808w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_15_44-Descendants-of-Michael-Butler-of-Poulroan-Windgap-Parish-County-Kilkenny-300x61.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_15_44-Descendants-of-Michael-Butler-of-Poulroan-Windgap-Parish-County-Kilkenny-768x156.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Eight years later, here is some information from 1832:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_22_39-Enhanced-British-Parliamentary-Papers-On-Ireland.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6575\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_22_39-Enhanced-British-Parliamentary-Papers-On-Ireland.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1289\" height=\"246\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_22_39-Enhanced-British-Parliamentary-Papers-On-Ireland.png 1289w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_22_39-Enhanced-British-Parliamentary-Papers-On-Ireland-300x57.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_22_39-Enhanced-British-Parliamentary-Papers-On-Ireland-768x147.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_22_39-Enhanced-British-Parliamentary-Papers-On-Ireland-1024x195.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_20_40-Re_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6574\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_20_40-Re_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1205\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_20_40-Re_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png 1205w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_20_40-Re_-Polroane-Message-HTML-300x123.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_20_40-Re_-Polroane-Message-HTML-768x315.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_20_40-Re_-Polroane-Message-HTML-1024x421.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The bottom right note indicates that Michael likely died and Margaret was in charge of the farm in Poulrone. There is an * by Michael Butler&#8217;s name which indicates that he did not re-register after 1832.<\/p>\n<h3>The Tithe Applotment<\/h3>\n<p>The Tithe Applotment has two listings for Michael Butler in the Civil Parish of Tullahaught:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_48_47-The-Tithe-Applotment-Books-1823-37.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6576\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_48_47-The-Tithe-Applotment-Books-1823-37.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"514\" height=\"79\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_48_47-The-Tithe-Applotment-Books-1823-37.png 514w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-08_48_47-The-Tithe-Applotment-Books-1823-37-300x46.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 514px) 100vw, 514px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, the Townlands are not transcribed well. Poocrown should be Poolrown and Birchwaad should be Birchwood. Here are the listings for Poulroan:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Thomas Croke<\/li>\n<li>Edward Duggan<\/li>\n<li>Patrick Duggan<\/li>\n<li>Michael Butler<\/li>\n<li>David Fogarty<\/li>\n<li>Edmund Quinn<\/li>\n<li>Johanna Quinn, widow<\/li>\n<li>Thomas Broderick<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<h4>Butler in Birchwood?<\/h4>\n<p>The Tithe Applotment also lists a Michael Butler in Birchwood. Is this the same as the Michael Butler from Poulrone?? If the Birchwood is adjacent to Poolroan, then I would say so. Here is Birchwood:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_07_01-Birchwood-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6577\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_07_01-Birchwood-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"311\" height=\"449\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_07_01-Birchwood-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png 311w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_07_01-Birchwood-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny-208x300.png 208w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 311px) 100vw, 311px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It looks to be on the River that separates County Tipperary from County Kilkenny. At www.townlands.ie, Poulrone is listed as Pollrone.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_12_56-Pollrone-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6578\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_12_56-Pollrone-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"282\" height=\"409\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_12_56-Pollrone-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png 282w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-09_12_56-Pollrone-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny-207x300.png 207w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 282px) 100vw, 282px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Using the map triangles as a reference, it appears that Birchwood is separated from Pollrone by a Townland. It looks like the two Townlands are separated by Kilmacoliver . That means that I can&#8217;t tell if this is the same Michael Butler.\u00a0 Here are the heads of families in Birchwood:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>James Moore<\/li>\n<li>Patrick Moore<\/li>\n<li>Thomas Moore<\/li>\n<li>Patrick Kearins<\/li>\n<li>Michael Butler<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Birchwood is transcribed as Birchwaad or Burchwad at the National Archives website. I would say that this is the same Michael or a relative.<\/p>\n<h2>Griffith&#8217;s Valuation<\/h2>\n<p>The next records to look at are Griffith&#8217;s Valuation. This was published 1849-1850 for County Kilkenny. Here is the Valuation in Pollrone:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-12_19_20-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6579\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-12_19_20-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1081\" height=\"316\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-12_19_20-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png 1081w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-12_19_20-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-300x88.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-12_19_20-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-768x225.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-12_19_20-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-1024x299.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The presumption is that James Butler is the son of Michael Butler and Margaret Croke and that he is living in the same house he was brought up in. He is on a 98 acre farm, but it is shared with Patrick Duggan who also has a house on the property. Further Edmond Duggan and Thomas Croke own some of the land. It is possible that all these people are related.<\/p>\n<p>Here is another view of Poulrone, with the Village of Tullahought. James Butler also owned some land in Kilmacoliver. The Roman Catholic Church was in the Northeast corner of this Townland.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_14_00-Modern-and-Contemporary-Maps.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6584\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_14_00-Modern-and-Contemporary-Maps.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1183\" height=\"880\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_14_00-Modern-and-Contemporary-Maps.png 1183w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_14_00-Modern-and-Contemporary-Maps-300x223.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_14_00-Modern-and-Contemporary-Maps-768x571.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_14_00-Modern-and-Contemporary-Maps-1024x762.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>More Butlers in Tullahought<\/h3>\n<p>Tullahought is the Civil Parish. These civil parishes were usually in line with the Church of Irleand Parishes, but not the Roman Catholic Parish. So Poulrone would be in the Roman Catholic Parish of Windgap and the Civil Parish of Tullahought. A search for Butlers in Griffith&#8217;s Valuation in Tullahought brought this up:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_56_07-Griffiths-Valuation.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6580\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_56_07-Griffiths-Valuation.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"501\" height=\"556\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_56_07-Griffiths-Valuation.png 501w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_56_07-Griffiths-Valuation-270x300.png 270w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 501px) 100vw, 501px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I wonder if the Margaret above was Margaret Croke Butler?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_58_38-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6581\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_58_38-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"852\" height=\"596\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_58_38-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png 852w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_58_38-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-300x210.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-13_58_38-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-768x537.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This Margaret is presumed to be a widow. She is on Lot 6a where the land is owned by Conway, Bourke and Kenny.<\/p>\n<p>There was an Edmund Butler in Knockroe:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_03_42-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6582\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_03_42-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"978\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_03_42-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer.png 978w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_03_42-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-300x131.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_03_42-Griffiths-Valuation-Viewer-768x335.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My research helper, Peter, suspects that the immigrant Butler Edward was originally an Edmond. Here is Knockroe:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_07_44-Knockroe-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6583\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_07_44-Knockroe-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"325\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_07_44-Knockroe-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png 325w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-14_07_44-Knockroe-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny-184x300.png 184w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 325px) 100vw, 325px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Poulron in 1901<\/h2>\n<p>My research doppelg\u00e4nger from England, Peter, went on to the next logical step. He looked at the 1901 Census:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_19_56-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6585\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_19_56-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1151\" height=\"312\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_19_56-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png 1151w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_19_56-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-300x81.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_19_56-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-768x208.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-20-16_19_56-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-1024x278.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is very likely the same Michael:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_42_23-05023_01-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6588\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_42_23-05023_01-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"851\" height=\"54\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_42_23-05023_01-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png 851w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_42_23-05023_01-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-300x19.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_42_23-05023_01-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-768x49.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>His sponsors were Patt and Mary Duggan. Michael was likely named for James father Michael. These Census ages were not always dependable. Michael, who is listed as 40 in 1911 would have actually been 52,<\/p>\n<p>Michael has a wife Ellen born in Tipperary, which was only a few Townlands away. Michael died between 1901 and 1911. Here Elllen is a widow in the 1911 Census of Pollrone:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_07_53-www.census.nationalarchives.ie_reels_nai002629276_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6587\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_07_53-www.census.nationalarchives.ie_reels_nai002629276_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1062\" height=\"122\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_07_53-www.census.nationalarchives.ie_reels_nai002629276_.png 1062w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_07_53-www.census.nationalarchives.ie_reels_nai002629276_-300x34.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_07_53-www.census.nationalarchives.ie_reels_nai002629276_-768x88.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-07_07_53-www.census.nationalarchives.ie_reels_nai002629276_-1024x118.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>A Butler Tree<\/h2>\n<p>From this, I get a tree of the Poulroan Butlers:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-08_54_27-Book1-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6590\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-08_54_27-Book1-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"918\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-08_54_27-Book1-Excel.png 918w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-08_54_27-Book1-Excel-300x147.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-08_54_27-Book1-Excel-768x376.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Any Other Butlers? One or Two Michael and Ellen Butler?<\/h3>\n<p>Maybe. Here is an Edmond from Knockroe:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-09_21_09-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6591\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-09_21_09-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"645\" height=\"68\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-09_21_09-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png 645w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-09_21_09-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-300x32.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 645px) 100vw, 645px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Not likely a good candidate as the James Butler I&#8217;m interested in would have only been 16 in 1867 at the time of this birth. A Knockroe James Butler born in 1869 is also problematic:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-12_08_11-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6592\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-12_08_11-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1302\" height=\"131\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-12_08_11-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI.png 1302w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-12_08_11-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-300x30.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-12_08_11-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-768x77.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-12_08_11-05023_02-Windgap-Catholic-Parish-Registers-at-the-NLI-1024x103.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I see also a Margaret born to this couple in 1873. Then Ellen born 1876 and Bridget born 1878.<\/p>\n<h2>Peter&#8217;s Latest Find; a Lamogue Wedding<\/h2>\n<p>While I was pondering whether there were one or two Michael and Ellen Butlers, Peter sent me this information from Lamogue:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_07_57-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6593\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_07_57-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1061\" height=\"320\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_07_57-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png 1061w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_07_57-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-300x90.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_07_57-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-768x232.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_07_57-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-1024x309.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_08_50-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6594\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_08_50-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"838\" height=\"97\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_08_50-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML.png 838w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_08_50-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-300x35.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_08_50-RE_-Polroane-Message-HTML-768x89.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This appears to be the wedding of Mathias\/Matthew Butler with his brother Edward as witness.\u00a0 If this is the same Matthew, he would have been 28 at the time of his marriage. I checked my wedding date for Edward Butler. I have that he got married in\u00a0St. John, New Brunswick on 1 May 1855. So that could be.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t get from looking at the Windgap Parish records that the Parish was a large one nor that there were too many Butlers in this particular Parish.<\/p>\n<p>Here is Lamogue:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_13_41-Lamoge-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6595\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_13_41-Lamoge-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"276\" height=\"593\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_13_41-Lamoge-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny.png 276w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-14_13_41-Lamoge-Townland-Co.-Kilkenny-140x300.png 140w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 276px) 100vw, 276px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<p>The discovery of the Butlers in Poulrone has come as a slow development rather than an all at once discovery. The Butler family has long believed that they were from Kilkenny. However, the assumption was that they were from the County Town rather than the rural area of Poulrone. The first record of a Butler in Poulrone was from 1824, but the Butlers could have been in the same area for quite some time. It is possible that there are some lease or rental records for the land they lived on.\u00a0 I only see a record of one Butler daughter in the 1901 Census. Was this the last of the Poulrone Butlers, or were there others in the area?<\/p>\n<p>Peter found a Matthew Butler who appears to be the other brother of James and Edward Butler. He married in 1852 in Lamogue. A lot of information has been added to the Butler research. The trick will be to further analyze and verify the information. Were there one or two Michael and Ellen Butlers? Was the Margaret Butler in Griffith&#8217;s Valuation\u00a0Edward&#8217;s mother, Margaret Croke?<\/p>\n<h2>Addendum<\/h2>\n<p>After I wrote this, Peter found some more information:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_32_36-Microsoft-Edge.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6599\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_32_36-Microsoft-Edge.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"691\" height=\"370\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_32_36-Microsoft-Edge.png 691w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_32_36-Microsoft-Edge-300x161.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 691px) 100vw, 691px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Michael was married to Ellen Walsh. There was apparently another Michael Butler who married an Ellen Shea. This Mary Butler married James Crowley.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_35_49-Microsoft-Edge.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6600\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_35_49-Microsoft-Edge.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"642\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_35_49-Microsoft-Edge.png 642w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/2018-06-21-19_35_49-Microsoft-Edge-300x105.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 642px) 100vw, 642px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently got an email from Peter. Peter is helping me research my wife&#8217;s Butler ancestry. Peter pointed out that we were a little off in our geography. The Case of Two Poulrones Here is what Peter writes: Our Polrone is not associated with Mooncoin but with Tullahought in the Barony of Kells which is &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/06\/21\/the-butlers-of-poulrone-county-kilkenny\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;The Butlers of Poulrone, County Kilkenny&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6567","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-butler-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6567","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6567"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6567\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":17833,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6567\/revisions\/17833"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6567"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6567"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6567"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}