{"id":6372,"date":"2018-05-21T10:23:23","date_gmt":"2018-05-21T10:23:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=6372"},"modified":"2018-05-21T10:23:23","modified_gmt":"2018-05-21T10:23:23","slug":"another-frazer-joins-ydna-testing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/05\/21\/another-frazer-joins-ydna-testing\/","title":{"rendered":"Another Frazer Joins YDNA Testing"},"content":{"rendered":"

Joanna, who has had her brother tested for the BigY. informed me of a new YDNA match for the Frazer family. This is big news when a new Frazer match appears. The new match is Richard.<\/p>\n

Some of Richard’s YDNA Matches<\/h2>\n

Here Richard shows up as the fifth match to my cousin Paul:<\/p>\n

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The new tester, Richard, has tested for 37 STRs. The first three on the list are known to be related to each other by genealogy. Those three and Paul all have ancestors from Northern County Roscommon by the early 1700’s.\u00a0 Here is how they are related as best we can figure:<\/p>\n

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How Richard Shows Up on Jonathan’s List<\/h3>\n

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Richard shows up as a Genetic Distance (GD) of 2 on Jonathan’s list. On Paul’s list, Richard has a GD of 4.<\/p>\n

More YDNA Comparisons – YDNA TIP Report<\/h2>\n

On Jonathan’s match list, I ran the ‘TIP’ report. This is an estimation of how far away Richard and Jonathan’s common ancestor is:<\/p>\n

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This report makes it look like Jonathan and Richard are related in the not too distant past. The likelihood that Jonathan and Richard have a common ancestor in the last 5 generations is close to 90%. A 67 STR test would give better results as it is possible that Jonathan and Richard have more STR differences in the second tier of STRs. If these results are born out, there would be a good chance that Richard’s ancestors were from North County Roscommon Ireland.<\/p>\n

TIP Report for Richard and Paul<\/h4>\n

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If Richard is from the James Line of the Frazer Tree, then I would expect that Paul would be 6 generations to the common ancestor of James.<\/p>\n

Looking at Richard’s STRs<\/h2>\n

One thing that jumped out at me was STR 447:<\/p>\n

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Those in green have a Frazer or Frasher ancestor. They also have a 447 STR of 24. All those above are Grant, Chisum, Hayes or Whittaker and have a STR value of 25 or higher. That could mean that among families that are closely related to the Frazers, the Frazers alone have a STR of 24 at this location. This gives me some confidence that Richard is related to our line of Frazers. The question then becomes whether his ancestors were in North County Roscommon or whether our common ancestor goes further back to Scotland.<\/p>\n

STR 391<\/h3>\n

Another interesting STR is 391. Rick and Paul are both on the Archibald Line and have a STR value of 11:<\/p>\n

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Jonathan and Rodney are known to be on the James Line and have a STR value of 10.<\/p>\n

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This shows that the first Frazer known to be in North County Roscommon had a STR value of 10 at location 391. Somewhere on the Archibald Line on the left between the first Archibald and James born around 1804, the value of that STR changed from 10 to 11. This doesn’t prove that Richard is from the James Line as Grants, Chisum, Whittaker and Hayes also have a 391 value of 10,<\/p>\n

Frasher and Frizelle<\/h2>\n

Jonathan also matches a Frizelle at 37 STRs at a GD of 1. Putting Jonathan and Frizelle into the TIP report also shows a probable close relationship. The Frizelle that Jonathan matches by YDNA has an ancestor of William Frizelle. I wonder if there is a connection between this William Frizelle and Richard’s William Frasher.<\/p>\n

Further Options for Richard<\/h2>\n

Richard may want to upgrade to the 67 STR test. An autosomal DNA test would also be interesting to see if he matches anyone in the Frazer DNA Project. The autosomal test would be the less expensive option. If Richard is from the James Line, it is likely that the autosomal test would reveal that. If no matches with the Frazer DNA Project show up in the autosomal DNA test, then further YDNA testing may be of further use.<\/p>\n

Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n