{"id":6022,"date":"2018-04-26T00:53:22","date_gmt":"2018-04-26T00:53:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=6022"},"modified":"2020-02-28T16:00:05","modified_gmt":"2020-02-28T16:00:05","slug":"wolfs-dna-and-our-hirschenhof-ancestors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/04\/26\/wolfs-dna-and-our-hirschenhof-ancestors\/","title":{"rendered":"Wolf&#8217;s DNA and Our Hirschenhof Ancestors"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was notified recently of some of my new MyHeritage matches. Some of these matches have been turning out to be very interesting. I was surprised that one of the shared ancestral names was Gangnus. I never see that name in the context of unknown DNA matches. So that piqued my interest.<\/p>\n<h2>Wolf&#8217;s Many Shared Ancestral Names<\/h2>\n<p>Here was one note from MyHeritage:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-22-20_16_18-DNA-Matches-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6023\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-22-20_16_18-DNA-Matches-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"454\" height=\"67\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-22-20_16_18-DNA-Matches-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 454w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-22-20_16_18-DNA-Matches-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x44.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 454px) 100vw, 454px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>With all these shared ancestors, it would make sense to look at the closest matches first. All of these names looked valid except for Luther. Wolf matches me on my mother&#8217;s side. I have a Luther on my father&#8217;s side who lived in Colonial Massachusetts. These names that Wolf has appear to be from Hirschenhof. My Rathfelder and other ancestors lived in this German colony in Latvia. Due to the isolated nature of the area, it appears that intermarrying occurred.<\/p>\n<h2>Wolf&#8217;s Maternal Side<\/h2>\n<p>Wolf has a good tree at MyHeritage. The names I recognize are on his maternal side:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-10_59_03-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6088\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-10_59_03-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"856\" height=\"530\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-10_59_03-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 856w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-10_59_03-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x186.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-10_59_03-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x476.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>These are the ancestors that I think we have in common. Also Beidermann to the left of the two blank spots. MyHeritage didn&#8217;t mention that we have Hammich in common, but the name sounds familiar to me. Also, I have had other DNA matches with Hassenfuss, so I may be related to that name either by direct descent or a collateral family. This helps confirm where those matches could come from. The places we don&#8217;t match are on Hassenfuss, and Heusel. The circles are 5 generations from Wolf, so that would be at the 4th cousin level approximately.<\/p>\n<h2>My Mom&#8217;s Paternal Side<\/h2>\n<p>My mom was born as a Rathfelder Here is her dad&#8217;s tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-11_06_43-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6089\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-11_06_43-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"764\" height=\"521\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-11_06_43-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 764w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-11_06_43-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x205.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Perhaps I should have circled the surnames where we don&#8217;t match. We don&#8217;t match on Rathfelder, Mertz, Muth and Lutz. It looks like I should have circled Schmidt. The last row represents 6 generations from me, so that would be at about the 5th cousin level. By DNA, MyHeritage thinks that we are third to 5th cousin. I would guess it would be more like 5th.<\/p>\n<p>As Wolf was born the same year as me, it seems like I need another generation on his mother&#8217;s side. I can create a maternal tree for Wolf, but that will take a while.<\/p>\n<h3>A Schwechheimer Connection<\/h3>\n<p>Here is part of Wolf&#8217;s 6th generation out on his mother&#8217;s side:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_07_09-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6090\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_07_09-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"255\" height=\"514\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_07_09-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 255w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_07_09-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-149x300.png 149w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 255px) 100vw, 255px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There are two Schwechheimers, but I am interested in the first one. Here are the details on Wolf&#8217;s tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_08_41-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6091\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_08_41-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"121\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here are two Schwechheimers from my tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_11_00-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6092\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_11_00-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"287\" height=\"140\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I have the first Schwechheimer as Johann Markus born in Baden. He was a first generation colonist in his family in Hirschenhof. His son was Johann Gottfried. I had that Johann Markus had these sons:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_17_18-Johann-Markus-Schwechheimer-Facts.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6093\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_17_18-Johann-Markus-Schwechheimer-Facts.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"250\" height=\"651\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_17_18-Johann-Markus-Schwechheimer-Facts.png 250w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_17_18-Johann-Markus-Schwechheimer-Facts-115x300.png 115w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The last one apparently corresponds with Wolf&#8217;s ancestor.<\/p>\n<p>Next, I draw a Schwechheimer Tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_32_55-Book1-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6094\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_32_55-Book1-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"251\" height=\"738\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_32_55-Book1-Excel.png 251w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-14_32_55-Book1-Excel-102x300.png 102w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 251px) 100vw, 251px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This shows that Wolf is a 4th cousin twice removed to my mother and a 5th cousin once removed to me.<\/p>\n<h2>A Look at Wolf&#8217;s DNA<\/h2>\n<p>At MyHeritage, Wolf and I share 41 cM.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_26_11-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6095\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_26_11-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"805\" height=\"514\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_26_11-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 805w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_26_11-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x192.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_26_11-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x490.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That DNA is shared over four chromosomes in five segments. I suppose some but perhaps not all of this DNA would be Schwechheimer DNA. The fact that we share several segments on the small side could mean that these are for matches that go back a way and it could mean that there is more than one line that we match on. Wolf actually shares a bit less DNA with my mother.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_30_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6096\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_30_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"798\" height=\"252\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_30_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 798w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_30_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x95.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_30_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x243.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I did not inherit the match my mom has with Wolf on Chromosome 2. I did have a match on Chromosome 15 that my mother did not have. That could mean that the match is on my father&#8217;s side, or that it is not a real match. Or perhaps my mom should have matched there. I say it would be better to ignore Chromosome 15.<\/p>\n<h3>My Cousin Anita<\/h3>\n<p>Anita, Wolf and I form a Triangulation Group (TG). That is when three people all match each other on the same segment. This means that we have a common ancestor.<\/p>\n<p>Here is a chart of DNA-tested descendants of my Latvian great-grandparents:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_39_51-2018-03-04-16_47_37-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart.xlsx-Excel.png-700\u00d7670.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6097\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_39_51-2018-03-04-16_47_37-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart.xlsx-Excel.png-700\u00d7670.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"566\" height=\"413\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_39_51-2018-03-04-16_47_37-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart.xlsx-Excel.png-700\u00d7670.png 566w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_39_51-2018-03-04-16_47_37-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart.xlsx-Excel.png-700\u00d7670-300x219.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 566px) 100vw, 566px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Rusty, Cindy, and Catherine are not at MyHeritage but have uploaded their DNA to Gedmatch for comparison. That makes Anita and Wolf 6th cousins on this Schwechheimer Tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_48_18-Book1-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6098\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_48_18-Book1-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"371\" height=\"743\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_48_18-Book1-Excel.png 371w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_48_18-Book1-Excel-150x300.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 371px) 100vw, 371px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is the small area of triangulation as shown on the MyHeritage Chromosome Browser:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_50_27-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6099\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_50_27-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"372\" height=\"40\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_50_27-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 372w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-15_50_27-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x32.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 372px) 100vw, 372px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The TG is from about position 56 to 60M. My match with Anita is in red and my match with Wolf is yellow above. However, I would hesitate to say that this Chromosome match is from Schwechheimer and no one else.<\/p>\n<p>I mentioned above that I share 41 cM of DNA with Wolf. However, my mother shares 38 cM with Wolf and is a 4th cousin twice removed at least once. Here are some statistics:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_03_10-Shared_cM_version_3.jpg-2048\u00d71052.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6100\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_03_10-Shared_cM_version_3.jpg-2048\u00d71052.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"336\" height=\"205\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_03_10-Shared_cM_version_3.jpg-2048\u00d71052.png 336w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_03_10-Shared_cM_version_3.jpg-2048\u00d71052-300x183.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 336px) 100vw, 336px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My mother and I are both above average for our relationship with Wolf. But as I say, there is more than one line of relationship.<\/p>\n<h2>The Biedenbender Connection<\/h2>\n<p>My 4th great-grandfather Hans Jerg Rathfelder married Juliana Biedenbender. Juliana&#8217;s dad was Johann Tobias Biedenbender.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_06_35-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6101\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_06_35-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"496\" height=\"173\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_06_35-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 496w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_06_35-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x105.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 496px) 100vw, 496px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My research shows that Juliana&#8217;s older sister was Wolf&#8217;s ancestor Elisabeth:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_09_06-Johann-Tobias-Biedenbender-Facts.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6102\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_09_06-Johann-Tobias-Biedenbender-Facts.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"269\" height=\"244\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That will lead to a Biedenbinder Tree starting with Tobias:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_20_47-Book1-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6103\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_20_47-Book1-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"333\" height=\"752\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_20_47-Book1-Excel.png 333w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_20_47-Book1-Excel-133x300.png 133w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 333px) 100vw, 333px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In this tree, I am actually more distantly related to Wolf as a 6th cousin.<\/p>\n<h2>The Niclas Connection<\/h2>\n<p>I was curious about the Niclas Connection. I have an Anna Eva, daughter of Johann Jacob Niclas in my tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_30_40-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6104\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_30_40-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"502\" height=\"310\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_30_40-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 502w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_30_40-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x185.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 502px) 100vw, 502px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Wolf has a Johann Georg Niclas in his tree. The green leaves are hints in my tree. One of those hints for Johann Jacob is for other people&#8217;s trees. There are five trees altogether.\u00a0 The first tree has Eva Maria b 1757 as a daughter. The second tree is for Niclaus and looks like the wrong guy. The third tree has Johann George and Anna Eva for children. The fourth and fifth trees have just Johann Georg as a child.<\/p>\n<p>Now I need a Niclas Tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_53_20-Book1-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6106\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_53_20-Book1-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"332\" height=\"753\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_53_20-Book1-Excel.png 332w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-16_53_20-Book1-Excel-132x300.png 132w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 332px) 100vw, 332px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>This is still a 6th cousin relationship for me. The configuration of the tree is the same but the pathways are different.<\/p>\n<h2>More Biedermann Research?<\/h2>\n<p>Wolf&#8217;s tree has an Elisabeth Biedermann born 1856 and married to Johann Georg Heusel.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-17_01_18-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6107\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-17_01_18-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"403\" height=\"132\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-17_01_18-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 403w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-17_01_18-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x98.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 403px) 100vw, 403px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If the dates are right in Wolf&#8217;s tree, Elisabeth had Gustav when she was 15. Here is a possible birth record for Elisabeth:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-18_47_19-Raduraksti-Contents.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6108\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-18_47_19-Raduraksti-Contents.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"920\" height=\"492\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-18_47_19-Raduraksti-Contents.png 920w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-18_47_19-Raduraksti-Contents-300x160.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/2018-04-25-18_47_19-Raduraksti-Contents-768x411.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This looks like an Emma Elisabeth Bidermann born to Georg Ludwig Bidermann and Pauline Alharma? Charlotte geb\u00a0Asmus. Born in October 1854. If this is the right ancestor for Wolf, at least she would be 17 instead of 15 when she gave birth to Gustav.<\/p>\n<h2>Summing Up<\/h2>\n<p>Wolf has a great tree. However, even with a great tree, it difficult to see all the possible places that connections can be made. I was able to make three connections. It appears that there could be more. I would also like to follow up on other leads.<\/p>\n<p>It helped to build out Wolf&#8217;s tree at Ancestry. That way his tree was in a format that was the same as mine and made comparisons easier. It also helped to make most recent common ancestor trees to see what relationship we were to each other on the different lines.<\/p>\n<p>Even though I matched Wolf on many Hirschenhof lines, we didn&#8217;t match on my two most recent names of Rathfelder and Gangnus. At least not yet.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was notified recently of some of my new MyHeritage matches. Some of these matches have been turning out to be very interesting. I was surprised that one of the shared ancestral names was Gangnus. I never see that name in the context of unknown DNA matches. So that piqued my interest. Wolf&#8217;s Many Shared &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2018\/04\/26\/wolfs-dna-and-our-hirschenhof-ancestors\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Wolf&#8217;s DNA and Our Hirschenhof Ancestors&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6022","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-rathfelder"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6022","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6022"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6022\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13917,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6022\/revisions\/13917"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6022"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6022"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6022"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}