{"id":4480,"date":"2017-12-14T15:07:51","date_gmt":"2017-12-14T15:07:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=4480"},"modified":"2017-12-14T15:07:51","modified_gmt":"2017-12-14T15:07:51","slug":"garys-frazer-dna-from-the-james-line","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2017\/12\/14\/garys-frazer-dna-from-the-james-line\/","title":{"rendered":"Gary’s Frazer DNA from the James Line"},"content":{"rendered":"

The Title of this Blog probably doesn’t make much sense – except for those who are most into Frazer DNA. This is the Frazer Line from the early 1700’s or before in North Roscommon, Ireland. My previous Blog was on Penny<\/a> who descends from another James Line.<\/p>\n

The James Line of the Frazer Tree<\/h3>\n

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James above had two children that we are following through the DNA of their descendants. Archibald had more descendants that have had their DNA tested. Penny comes down on the Archibald side on the left. Gary is on the Michael side on the right. Note that Gary is a 1st cousin to Judith, second cousin to Bonnie and 3rd cousin to Beverly. Also note that the Michael Line is somewhat isolated from the other James Line side.<\/p>\n

The Michael Line<\/h4>\n

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Some more on michael<\/h5>\n

As shown above, Michael Frazer was born around 1764 and was buried at Ardcarne Church 17 Mar 1837. According to a McMaster researcher friend of mine, there was a William McMaster in 1812 who was a tenant either with or of Michael Frazer in Aghrafinegan, on Lord Lorton’s estate. This is probably the same Mick Frazer in the 1834 Tithe Applotment.<\/p>\n

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This shows “Mr. Mick Frazer & Co.” as the major land holder in Cleragh. Actually he held a little over half the total area of Cleragh. My guess is that he may have had some part in the collection of land rents for Lord Lorton.<\/p>\n

Here is a map of Cleragh:<\/p>\n

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Many Frazers lived in this area in the early 1800’s. The McPartlands who have a Frazer ancestor lived in Derreenargan. My own ancestors were from Derrycashel. Michael’s son Archibald married Catherine Knott and apparently took over the land and house. We see an Archibald living in Clerragh in the Griffith’s Valuation.<\/p>\n

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I have been educated in the past to understand that here Archibald Frazer, jun. was not necessarily the son of another Archibald Frazer. I have been told that in this area the distinction was between any two people of the same name. At any rate, this younger Archibald Frazer is the one with the house, so I assume that he is the one who took over Michael’s house.<\/p>\n

Here is the detailed map showing Lot 9a which was where Archibald and Catherine presumably lived in the SW corner of Cleragh.<\/p>\n

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Just above 9a is a heavy red line. That is the boundary between Clerragh and Derrycashel. My ancestor James Frazer lived in lot 12 next door to Archibald. That means that Gary’s ancestors and my ancestors must have been neighbors. James to Archibald, circa 1840: “How about coming over tomorrow night with Catherine for some pheasant and gruel?”<\/p>\n

Here is the old James Frazer homestead in Derrycashel.<\/p>\n

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All I need to do is cut down a few trees growing in the house and it should be back to move-in condition!<\/p>\n

Gary’s DNA in the Michael Line<\/h4>\n

I would expect that Gary should have the largest DNA match with Judith, a medium match with Bonnie and smaller match with Beverly. I won’t post all the details, but here is the summary of Gary’s match with his 1st cousin Judith:<\/p>\n

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They share over 1,000 cM of DNA which is a little over average for 1st cousins. This shared DNA is either from Wilmot Merlin Frazer b. 1875 or his wife. Now as this study is about the Frazer line, I am not interested in Wilmot’s wife’s DNA. So about half of the 1,000 cM or 500 cM or so should be Frazer DNA.<\/p>\n

Gary’s DNA match with his 2nd cousin Bonnie<\/h5>\n

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An average number of generations to MRCA for 2nd cousins is 3.0, so again Gary seems to have more than the average Frazer DNA. Of this roughly 300 cM of DNA shared between Gary and Bonnie, about half would be from Michael Frazer b. 1843. The other half of the DNA would be from his wife Charlotte Davidson. Again, I’m not interested in Charlotte’s DNA. Sorry, Charlotte.<\/p>\n

Gary’s match with his 3rd cousin Beverly<\/h5>\n

What do you think the match will look like between Gary and Beverly? So far, it has gone from 1,000 cMs to 300, cMs. That is down by about 30%. If we follow the same trend, 30% of 300 is about 90 cM.<\/p>\n

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Surprise. Only 11.4 cM. By the DNA, gedmatch would predict that these\u00a0 two are 4th cousins rather than third cousins. Here are the ISOGG statistics for cousin matching:<\/p>\n

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This gives the average cMs and the ranges of DNA shared for the above relationships. So as far as the average cM amounts, Gary went high, high, low. This shows how variable DNA can be.<\/p>\n

Comparing Gary’s DNA to All Frazer DNA<\/h3>\n

These results were a little surprising:<\/p>\n

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This shows that outside of the Michael Line in the lower right box, Gary doesn’t really match anyone at the 7 cM threshold level. He has small matches with siblings Jonathan and Janet and with Doug and his Aunt Rita from the Archibald Line. I suppose this could be due to the isolation of the Michael line from the other main branch of the James Line.<\/p>\n

Gary provides an important piece of the puzzle in the Michael Line of the Frazers of Roscommon. His DNA results clearly show his descent from Michael Frazer and Charlotte Davidson. Gary’s match with Beverly is within the range of a 3rd cousin. Perhaps more testing of descendants of the Fitzgerald Frazer Line that Beverly is on would have clarify this Archibald Frazer\/Catherine Knott Branch.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The Title of this Blog probably doesn’t make much sense – except for those who are most into Frazer DNA. This is the Frazer Line from the early 1700’s or before in North Roscommon, Ireland. My previous Blog was on Penny who descends from another James Line. The James Line of the Frazer Tree James … <\/p>\n

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