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<\/a><\/p>\nLinda also has a smaller match with my father’s cousin Joyce on Chromosome 10.<\/p>\n
Linda and the Colne Connection<\/h4>\n
Linda has a large tree with over 16,000 people. I am interested in some of her ancestors in the Colne area. My ancestors lived in Colne, but the church where they were baptized and wed was in Colne.<\/p>\n
This is the Ancestry map enlarged to the max. My dot is blue in Trawden. Linda had more than one ancestor in Colne and lists one in Winewall and one in Wycoller. Wycoller is now a park which explains the green area. It would be a short walk from Trawden to Winewall. All the places may be walked to with not too much difficulty. Linda’s ancestral surnames in the area are:<\/p>\n Of course, there is a possibility that none of these names are associated with Hartley. However, as there is a DNA match and a place match, there is a possibility that there is a match on one of these lines.<\/p>\n I feel like I’m exploring in someone’s house when I look at their tree. Here is the part of the tree that I am interested in:<\/p>\n Coghill didn’t show up on the Colne area map as her birthplace is listed as Lancashire. There should be a sweet spot in the tree above assuming that we are related. I am looking for a connection to my tree, so connecting person cannot be too recent. If we go back too far, it becomes improbably that there is an autosomal DNA match. Here is my Trawden Tree:<\/p>\n Going down the middle row, I am not certain about James Hartley and Betty Baldwin. I am quite sure about Greenwood Pilling and Nancy Shackleton. That means that my first choice would be to connect Robert Hartley to Linda’s tree somehow. In Linda’s Waddington line, the William Waddington or Foulds Rycroft family could have had a daughter that married a Hartley that had Robert. That daughter would have come about following a Hartley\/Waddington or Hartley\/Rycroft wedding.<\/p>\n When I search the online Colne Parish records for Hartley\/Waddington, I get these two records:<\/p>\n I was looking for a female Waddington that married a Hartley. We see that in the second listing above. Also of note in attendance was John Crook. Crook is a surname in Linda’s line. There is a Mary Waddington born in 1752, but she is the daughter of John possibly a generation earlier:<\/p>\n Here are some of the children of William and Mary Hartley in the time frame that I am interested in. There were very likely more than one William and Mary Hartley family. At least the family at Noyna-end and Aldershead seem to be different based on the closeness of baptisms. This is also assuming that the baptisms were close to the birth dates. In fact, three baptisms in 1773 could indicate three different families:<\/p>\n Baptism: 21 Mar 1773 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 12 Aug 1773 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 17 Oct 1773 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 25 Dec 1775 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 22 Dec 1777 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 7 Oct 1781 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 2 Feb 1783 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England I recognize the name of Aldershead where Jonathan was born. This was not far from Seghole where the Pillings lived. However, Jonathan appeared to have died young:<\/p>\n Burial: 16 Aug 1776 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Robert would seem to be a good choice for the father of my Robert, but I see no Robert, son of Robert being born around 1803 when I believe my Robert was born based on his burial record:<\/p>\n Baptism: 8 Jan 1792 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 22 Jan 1809 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England I have the same problem with Robert son of William:<\/p>\n Baptism: 7 Oct 1792 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Baptism: 20 May 1810 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England There was only one Robert born of a Peter Hartley in 1809. There was also only one Robert born of Richard in 1796. That seems to rule out those possibilities.<\/p>\n I haven’t eliminated the Waddington line for the mother of Robert – only for the father of Robert. And I have only eliminated Waddington assuming that the baptisms took place at Colne. I am also not looking for the mother of Robert as that would be a more complicated search. For example, what if a Waddington married and her husband died. She then married a Hartley. Likely the wedding record would show the married and not the birth name.<\/p>\n There were not a lot of Hartley\/Rycroft weddings that I could find. Here is a fairly early one.<\/p>\n I did find a Susanna:<\/p>\n Baptism: 16 Oct 1714 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England However, Linda doesn’t have a John Rycroft in her ancestry after 1640, so I’ll rule that out for now due to the fact that a DNA match may not make it that far back.<\/p>\n I found this entry interesting:<\/p>\n Here we have the names Hartley, Rycroft, Foulds and Waddington. This Hartley Rycroft was the daughter of Betty Rycroft:<\/p>\n Baptism: 2 Sep 1798 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England Here we are getting complicated as the Hartley is only the first name. Was the mother trying to name the father? This Betty was likely the daughter of Foulds:<\/p>\n Baptism: 6 Nov 1774 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England In looking through my Blog, I see that I didn’t look at the Crook surname. I use the Lancashire online search when I look for my Colne records. Linda has a Thomasin Crook born in 1711, so that goes back quite a way. I see two Hartley\/Crook weddings in the early 1600’s which would likely be too early for a DNA match. Here is a later Crook\/Hartley wedding, but I am not sure how John Crook is related. Also Mary Hartley is from Otterburn in Yorkshire. Otterburn looks to be about 20 Km North of Colne.<\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n\n
Linda’s Colne area tree<\/h5>\n
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\nWilliam Hartley – son of Wm Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Noyna-end
\nRegister: Baptisms 1756 – 1774, Page 92, Entry 16
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nJonathan Hartley – son of Wm Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Aldershead
\nRegister: Baptisms 1756 – 1774, Page 94, Entry 6
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nRobert Hartley – son of Wm Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Greenfield
\nRegister: Baptisms 1756 – 1774, Page 95, Entry 7
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nRobert Hartley – son of William Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Wycoller
\nRegister: Baptisms 1774 – 1789, Page 11, Entry 12
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nEllin Hartley – daughter of William Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Wycoller
\nRegister: Baptisms 1774 – 1789, Page 25, Entry 24
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nPeter Hartley – son of William Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Green-field
\nRegister: Baptisms 1774 – 1789, Page 61, Entry 2
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nRichard Hartley – son of William Hartley & Mary
\nAbode: Two Laws
\nRegister: Baptisms 1774 – 1789, Page 71, Entry 4
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nJonathan Hartley –
\nAge: infant
\nAbode: Aldershead
\nRegister: Burials 1774 – 1789, Page 7, Entry 12
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n
\nRobert Hartley – Son of Robert Hartley & Mary
\nBorn: 8 Jul 1791
\nAbode: Edge
\nOccupation: Weaver
\nRegister: Baptisms 1790 – 1812, Page 23, Entry 22
\nSource: LDS Film 1471024<\/p>\n
\nRobert Hartley – Son of Robert Hartley & Susan
\nBorn: 26 Nov 1808
\nAbode: Lanshaw Bridge
\nOccupation: Innkeeper
\nRegister: Baptisms 1790 – 1812, Page 254, Entry 13
\nSource: LDS Film 1471024<\/p>\n
\nRobert Hartley – Son of William Hartley & Margaret
\nBorn: 5 Jul 1790
\nAbode: Boughgap
\nOccupation: Weaver
\nNotes: [Robert & Henry bracketed together]
\nRegister: Baptisms 1790 – 1812, Page 33, Entry 254
\nSource: LDS Film 1471024<\/p>\n
\nRobert Hartley – Son of Wm Hartley & Mary
\nBorn: 6 Jan 1810
\nAbode: Spouthouses
\nOccupation: Weaver
\nRegister: Baptisms 1790 – 1812, Page 279, Entry 158
\nSource: LDS Film 1471024<\/p>\nLet’s try Rycroft<\/h5>\n
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\nSusanna Rycroft – filia Johannis Rycroft
\nAbode: Winewall
\nRegister: Baptisms 1697 – 1734, Page 155, Entry 16
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n
\nHartley Rycroft – Son of Betty Rycroft, Spinster
\nBorn: 25 Jun 1798
\nAbode: Lane Head
\nRegister: Baptisms 1790 – 1812, Page 99, Entry 200
\nSource: LDS Film 1471024<\/p>\n
\nBetty Rycroft – daugr of Foulds Rycroft & Mary
\nAbode: Trauden
\nRegister: Baptisms 1774 – 1789, Page 4, Entry 3
\nSource: LDS Film 1471023<\/p>\nAny Hartley\/Crook Connections?<\/h4>\n