\nThere is also a Donald Hartley match. <\/em>
\nAnother match is with Janet Susan Fitzgerald (born Frazer). Her tree has Archibald Frazer born 1751 to 1835 whose father is James Frazer of Clerragh 1720 to 1835.<\/em>
\nHis father was Archibald 1690 to 1749.<\/em>
\nI hope this is helpful in our quest to link Mary Taylor to the Frazer family. <\/em>
\nI have written to Kay. <\/em>
\nSincerely Jeannette\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n
The second email was from Richard:<\/p>\n
Hi Joel,<\/em><\/p>\n In light of Jeannette’s message advising of DNA linkages between her Taylor family and people in the Frazer line, I am forwarding my Frazer\/Taylor conclusions for your consideration.\u00a0 My conclusions are supported by immigration, settlement and naming information. I was launched on this path by a letter sent 50 years ago from my second cousin 3x removed, Muriel Lewis:\u00a0“My grandmother, on my Mother’s side, Rebecca (Reba) Taylor married John Elliott.\u00a0 This is why Myrtle [Muriel’s sister] was named Myrtle ‘Taylor’ Lewis.\u00a0 My grandmother’s sister, a Taylor, married a Fraser, or Frazer [Mary Taylor m. Philip Frazer c. 1822??]”\u00a0\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n Based on that information, I looked into Rebecca Taylor and her relatives who immigrated in 1830 to North Elmsley Twp, Lanark County in what is now Ontario.<\/em><\/p>\n So that’s the plot line.\u00a0 The more I think about it, the more likely it sounds.\u00a0 If there is any documentation, it might be in Irish records but we know how scarce those are.<\/em><\/p>\n Jeannette and I would welcome your thoughts.<\/em><\/p>\n Richard\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n Here is Richard in my Philip Frazer DNA Tree:<\/p>\n Now, I have that Philip above born about 1800 was the son of another Philip. He had two known sons who were Philip and James Frazer. I have that James Frazer married his first cousin Violet Frazer and that was the line I come from.<\/p>\n Confusingly the Jeanette in the tree above is a different Jeanette. The Jeanette that wrote has Taylor ancestry. I have that at least one Taylor married a Frazer.<\/p>\n The confusing part about this record is that there could be different interpretations. It could be that Philip born around 1800 or likely before married first Jane Johnston. She may have passed away and then Philip married secondly Mary Taylor.<\/p>\n I do have this transcribed record:<\/p>\n This is from a chronological compilation of Frazer records that were available several years ago. JDH is me and MFA is Michael, a Frazer descendant and researcher living in England.<\/p>\n The interpretation from that time appears to be that Jane Johnston married Philip, son of Philip in 1818, had one daughter with that wife named Jane in 1819.<\/p>\n I should note that Richard and Jeannette are looking at the Taylor family. I do not have any known relation to the Taylor family. However, the way the people intermarried, it would not be surprising if I was related in some way. That also means, that as I have no known connection to the Taylor line, it would not be surprising if my family had no matches with Taylor descendants who were not also Frazer desendants or related in some other way.<\/p>\n I also wrote a Blog about David recently as he shows at Ancestry as being related through the Philip Frazer Line:<\/p>\n David matches my sister Sharon at Ancestry. I notice that David also matches my brother Jim at Gedmatch. Jim tested at FTDNA but not at Ancestry. David is quite sure of his ancestry up through George James Frazer born 1841 in Sligo, but is not convinced that George James was the son of Philip. I had written a Blog about David recently here<\/a>.<\/p>\n As I see it now, I have two goals. One goal is to see if Jeanette is related to the Frazers. The other is to see how David is related to the Frazer Line. Both of these goals seem to hinge on whether Philip Frazer who married Mary Taylor at the Kilmactranny Parish was the father of Ann Frazer and George James Frazer who moved to Ontario. I suppose a third goal is to improve my confort in the theory that Philip Frazer born some time between 1758 and 1776 was the father of Philip, George and James. James was my ancestor and Philip Junior the ancestor of the green tree above.<\/p>\n It is well documented that Philip married first Jane Johnston and secondly Mary Taylor. These are recorded in lists of marriage license bonds and also Philip’s first marriage is recorded in the Kilmactranny Parish records. Here is Kilmactranny:<\/p>\n The dotted line is the border between County Sligo and County Roscommon.<\/p>\n That was Philip Junior and his marriages. Secondly, I have this genealogy from about 75 years ago:<\/p>\n Unfortunately for me, this does not show that James was a son of Philip. However, I believe that he was and the person doing the research was not aware that he was a son of Philip or did not want to empasize that as it would have shown that James married his 1st cousin Violet Frazer.<\/p>\n Third, I have the Tithe Applotment. These were taken probably in 1933 in Derrycashel. I have this from my Frazer Website:<\/p>\n My belief is that Georg, Philip and James Frazer were all the sons of Philip Frazer. In fact, the order may even indicate the birth order. I have these two Frazer\u00a0 burial records from 1831:<\/p>\n My guess is that the William and George could be the same two listed in the Tithe Applotments above. One problem with that is that I have that the Tithe Applotment was in 1833 and these two deaths were two years earlier. This could be explained if:<\/p>\n Interesting, my 2nd great-grandfather was named George William born about 1838. I think that he could have been named for the George and William who died in 1831.<\/p>\n I know that my 2nd great-grandfather lived in Derrycastle. My Irish relatives even brought me to the property and showed me the house in 2004:<\/p>\n This may even have been the house of James’ father Philip.<\/p>\n Further I have that my ancestor James named his first son Philip. It was often customary for the father to name his first son after his father:<\/p>\n Here is the Philip Frazer genealogy from my Ancestry Tree:<\/p>\n I had written a Blog recently of how I felt that David fit into the Frazer tree and mentioned David above. It turns out that David tested at 23andMe and that company does a rough estimate of your YDNA. I found out very recently David’s YDNA haplogroup. The YDNA is very good at telling you what branch of mankind you are not in along with telling where you fit in. According to AI, there are now over 107,000 branches of YDNA.<\/p>\n David’s 23andMe estimate has him at R-S845. Here is what YFull, a YDNA analysis company shows:<\/p>\n This starts at the top right at “Genetic Adam”. Of importance along the way is the R1b Branch. R1b formed about 22,000 years ago according to YFull. The Frazer group that I belong to is from R1a which formed around the same time. That means that on the paternal only line, David and the North Roscommon, Ireland Frazers have a common ancestors also around that time – not closely related!<\/p>\n Here is SNP Tracker:<\/p>\n This shows that David’s paternal ancestors were likely in Ireland during Roman times.<\/p>\n Another interesting Haplogroup that David has is L21. This Haplogroup has been roughly associated with the Celtic peoples especially of Ireland, England and Scotland. If David was to do more YDNA testing, he would find out more about his paternal line.<\/p>\n For comparison, here is my known Frazer 2nd cousin at 23andMe:<\/p>\n Stan is my 2nd cousin. I am a Hartley and I come out as L21 (a closer match on my Hartley Line to David). Here is what YFull shows for R-L664:<\/p>\n The important difference is that my Frazer Line is from R1a as mentioned above. This R-L664 is still a pretty old Haplogroup going back 4,000 years or more. However, based on BigY testing at Family Tree DNA, we have Haplogroups that are much more recent:<\/p>\n At the bottom right is my second cousin Paul who I had tested and his 3rd cousin Rick. Their common ancestor is James Frazer born about 1804. The Haplogroup of R-Y85652 shows a common ancestor at about 1799 based on the YDNA testing alone.<\/p>\n When I had added LSW in 2020, I had noted that LSW did not have matches with the rest of the Philip Branch:<\/p>\n I also note that David has a good match with LSW, so for now, I will take off the George James Frazer Line from the Philip Branch.<\/p>\n I am now left with just the Johnston branch of the Philip Line.<\/p>\n I can disconnect George James Fraser from my Ancestry Tree like this:<\/p>\n In Edit Relationships, I can just X out his mother and father. He will still be in my tree but not connected to my Frazer Line.<\/p>\n It does not look like I had added David’s matches to DNA Painter, so I do not to make any changes there.<\/p>\n When I look at Richard’s ThruLines going back to his and my common ancestor of Philip Frazer, I see this:<\/p>\n Richard has his brother and Jeanette that he matches on the Philip Branch. Then he matches 7 people on the James Frazer Line where I am:<\/p>\n Richard matches sm and Gladys on the Richard Frazer Line.<\/p>\n On the George William Frazer Line, Richard matches me, my daughter, my sister, Karen and Mabel.<\/p>\n One complicating factor is that Richard and I both have more than one Frazzer Line. Here is Richard’s Ancestry Tree:<\/p>\n Richard’s fourth great-grandfather was Philip Frazer born around 1776. This Philip is our common ancestor making Richard and me 5th cousins.<\/p>\n Richard also shows that he descends from Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson:<\/p>\n\n
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<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nAlso David<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\nSo What Is My Goal?<\/h2>\n
The Genealogy<\/h2>\n
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<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nYDNA Proves One of My Theories Wrong<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nCorrecting the Frazer DNA Tree<\/h3>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nOther Corrections<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\nRichard’s ThruLines<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nRichard’s Genealogy<\/h3>\n
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