{"id":27781,"date":"2025-11-11T01:58:30","date_gmt":"2025-11-11T01:58:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=27781"},"modified":"2025-12-08T15:52:25","modified_gmt":"2025-12-08T15:52:25","slug":"looking-for-pilling-clusters-at-ancestry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2025\/11\/11\/looking-for-pilling-clusters-at-ancestry\/","title":{"rendered":"Looking for Pilling Clusters at Ancestry"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In this Blog, I would like to look for Pilling matches. I have a motive for this. Those who are descended just from Pilling will not be descended from Hartley. Theoretically, I could eliminate some of my matches from my Hartley ancestor search. As it is, when I look at many of my Hartley DNA matches, it seems like some of them could be Pilling relatives.<\/p>\n<p>So as I think of the matches, it occurs to me that going forward in time from Mary Pilling, there would be matches that descend from Mary Pilling. However, going back from Mary Pilling, there should be no Hartley descendants that match us unless it is by coincidence. Hmmm&#8230;<\/p>\n<h2>Pilling Genealogy and ThruLines<\/h2>\n<p>I believe that my genealogy is right for Mary Pilling:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_09_54-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27783\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_09_54-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"904\" height=\"1301\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_09_54-.png 904w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_09_54--208x300.png 208w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_09_54--712x1024.png 712w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_09_54--768x1105.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, when I look at the ThruLines for my father&#8217;s 1st cousin Joyce, I see this:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_13_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27784\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_13_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"694\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_13_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 694w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_13_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x243.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 694px) 100vw, 694px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This shows Horsfall coming from Robert. Robert died in 1835. May Pilling Hartley remarries Robert Wilkinson and has more children. I thought that the ThruLines were more messed up than they are. When I look at Joyce&#8217;s ThruLines for Mary Pilling, it looks correct:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_17_00-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27785\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_17_00-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1054\" height=\"564\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_17_00-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1054w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_17_00-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x161.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_17_00-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x548.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_17_00-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x411.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That means that Ruth would be a great person of interest in looking at Pilling Clusters.<\/p>\n<p>When I look at another of my father&#8217;s first cousins&#8217; ThruLines, I see this:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_19_38-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27786\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_19_38-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1494\" height=\"990\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_19_38-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1494w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_19_38-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x199.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_19_38-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x679.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_19_38-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x509.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Derek has an even larger match with Maury at 42 cM.<\/p>\n<h2>Maury&#8217;s Pilling Clusters<\/h2>\n<p>Maybe my chances of finding Pilling Clusters would be better with Maury than with Joyce.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_24_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27787\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_24_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"435\" height=\"587\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_24_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 435w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_24_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-222x300.png 222w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 435px) 100vw, 435px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I was thinking I should see an overall cluster, but I don&#8217;t see it.<\/p>\n<p>The first group is the closest group of matches:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_30_13-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27788\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_30_13-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"323\" height=\"175\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_30_13-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 323w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_30_13-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 323px) 100vw, 323px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>EB has a private tree, but according to shared matches, he is a nephew of Derek.<\/p>\n<p>Cluster 2 includes two people from the Wilkinson Line:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_35_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27789\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_35_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"329\" height=\"234\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_35_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 329w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-18_35_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x213.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 329px) 100vw, 329px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Cluster 3<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-19_07_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27790\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-19_07_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"448\" height=\"346\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-19_07_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 448w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-08-19_07_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x232.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 448px) 100vw, 448px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This seems to expand past the children of John Pillng born 1822 for the first three matches of this cluster. This tells me that there are two different groups, but Norman appears to be matched to both. This appears to be where the matches have gone from the known (Pilling and Wilkinson) to the unknown.<\/p>\n<h3>Cluster 4<\/h3>\n<p>Now that I have not figured out Cluster 3, I will move on to Cluster 4:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27792\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"927\" height=\"797\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 927w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x258.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This represents the ultimate representation of Pilling clusters that I am aware of on my side&#8217;s matches. This would be one interpretation:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27793\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"927\" height=\"797\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1.png 927w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1-300x258.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I was thinking that the first cluster were people who descended from Mary Pilling. However, George is a new match.<\/p>\n<p>When I look at George&#8217;s shared matches, he comes out close to the Wilkinson side. Perhaps I can fit him in. George has an unlinked tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_07_22-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27794\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_07_22-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"346\" height=\"575\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_07_22-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 346w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_07_22-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-181x300.png 181w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 346px) 100vw, 346px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>George&#8217;s mother is from Massachusetts. Perhaps that is a clue.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know if I have a better Pilling DNA tree, but this one looks like it could use some updating &#8211; especially on the Wilkinson side:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27795\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1710\" height=\"1078\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1710w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x189.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x646.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x484.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_11_26-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1536x968.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll add George to my tree as a floating tree.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll go with the findagrave hint at Ancestry for Barbara &#8211; Geoge&#8217;s mother:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_21_25-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27796\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_21_25-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"433\" height=\"821\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_21_25-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 433w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_21_25-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-158x300.png 158w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 433px) 100vw, 433px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In 1950 George Nelson is a Taxi Driver living in New Bedford:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_44_45-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27797\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_44_45-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1050\" height=\"107\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_44_45-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1050w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_44_45-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x31.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_44_45-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x104.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_44_45-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x78.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>His sister Barbara A Nelson is listed in the same household on the next page:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_46_57-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27798\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_46_57-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1409\" height=\"677\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_46_57-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1409w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_46_57-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x144.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_46_57-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x492.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_46_57-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x369.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The house is in the Sassaquin neighborhood of New Bedford:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_48_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27799\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_48_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"678\" height=\"990\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_48_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 678w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_48_08-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-205x300.png 205w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 678px) 100vw, 678px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is Barbara in one tree at Ancestry:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_58_16-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27800\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_58_16-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1149\" height=\"581\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_58_16-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1149w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_58_16-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x152.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_58_16-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x518.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-18_58_16-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x388.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That same tree has father George Nelson dying before 1930. However, if that is the case, how can he be the father of Barbara Ann Nelson born 1931? This appears to indicate that George died in 1930:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27801\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1559\" height=\"985\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.jpg 1559w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x190.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x647.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x485.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_07_27-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1536x970.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is the family in 1940, but where is Barbara? She should have been about 8 or 9 at the time.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_12_02-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27802\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_12_02-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1471\" height=\"178\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_12_02-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1471w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_12_02-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x36.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_12_02-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x124.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_12_02-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x93.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It appears that it is not easy for me to trace this match back to Wilkinson and Pilling.<\/p>\n<h2>More on William Wilkinson<\/h2>\n<p>Shared matches seem to indicate that the George match above could be a 2nd cousin to Richard and Paul:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_36_11-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27803\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_36_11-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"202\" height=\"686\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_36_11-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 202w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_36_11-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-88x300.png 88w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 202px) 100vw, 202px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That could mean that they both descend from William Wilkinson born in 1879. Here is Willia a death certificate for Wilkinson in 1936:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_48_34-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27804\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_48_34-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"974\" height=\"1309\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_48_34-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 974w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_48_34-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-223x300.png 223w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_48_34-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-762x1024.png 762w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_48_34-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x1032.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At the time, he was living at Lindsey Street, New Bedford:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_51_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27805\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_51_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"882\" height=\"503\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_51_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 882w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_51_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x171.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_51_23-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x438.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Lindsey runs between North Street and Court Street. That confirms that this must be William in the 1930 Census:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27806\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1969\" height=\"890\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1969w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x136.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1024x463.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x347.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-19_55_59-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-1536x694.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_00_42-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27807\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_00_42-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"370\" height=\"620\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_00_42-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 370w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_00_42-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-179x300.png 179w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 370px) 100vw, 370px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>According to Paul&#8217;s Tree at Ancestry, William had a second wife:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_13_45-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27808\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_13_45-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1444\" height=\"1289\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_13_45-.png 1444w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_13_45--300x268.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_13_45--1024x914.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_13_45--768x686.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Back to the Clusters<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27809\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"927\" height=\"797\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-2.png 927w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-2-300x258.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-17_21_14-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-2-768x660.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>George is somehow connected to the Wilkinson side, but I do not know how exactly. The next cluster is from from Ann Hartley. She was the daughter of Greenwood Hartley who was the son of Mary Pilling.<\/p>\n<h3>The Third Cluster<\/h3>\n<ol>\n<li>Elliot<\/li>\n<li>Talia<\/li>\n<li>Jane<\/li>\n<li>Catherine<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>Jane and Catherine are in the order of 1st cousins to Maurey.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_29_35-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27810\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_29_35-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"972\" height=\"1266\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_29_35-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 972w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_29_35-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-230x300.png 230w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_29_35-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-786x1024.png 786w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_29_35-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x1000.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>They descend from James Hartley. Cluster 2 descend from James&#8217; sister Ann Hartley Burrows.<\/p>\n<h4>Elliot and Talia<\/h4>\n<p>Elliot&#8217;s family appears to be from Tasmania:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_50_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27811\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_50_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"820\" height=\"805\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_50_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 820w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_50_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-300x295.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-09-20_50_18-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x754.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As Elliot&#8217;s tree only goes to about the year 1900, it would take quite a bit of work to trace it back to the Pilling family.<\/p>\n<h3>Cluster 4<\/h3>\n<p>The last person in the last cluster has this possible connection:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27815\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"554\" height=\"929\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png 554w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_09_33--179x300.png 179w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 554px) 100vw, 554px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Victoria fits in with the theory that these should be Pilling clusters. However, the tree goes back quite far. The further a tree goes back, there are more possible ways that something could have gone wrong. Here is the earliest Howorth that Victoria has:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_14_06-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27816\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_14_06-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"717\" height=\"224\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_14_06-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e.png 717w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_14_06-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e-300x94.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 717px) 100vw, 717px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The information looks a little vague. I don&#8217;t mind trying a quick tree to see what I get. It looks like I already checked this out in 2019:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_18_05-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-27817\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_18_05-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"927\" height=\"226\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_18_05-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e.png 927w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_18_05-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e-300x73.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/2025-11-10-20_18_05-C__Users_jm_OneDrive_Documents_Blog_2025-11-10-20_09_33-.png-Greenshot-image-e-768x187.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I have Edmund&#8217;s son Edmund born in Bacup. This is interesting as this is where the Emmet side of family lived. After a quick look at the ThruLines, I do not see an easy connection.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Looking at the Pilling Clusters gave me a different perspective on this family and their descendants<\/li>\n<li>The largest result gave me four clusters. These were: Pilling\/Wilkinson, Descendants of Ann Hartley Burrows, descendants of James Hartley her brother and a fourth presumably earlier group of Pillings.<\/li>\n<li>My assumption was that I would get a list of Pilling descendants that I could eliminate from my list of earlier Hartley descendants. It did not seem to work out that way and\/or I did not look at a list to subtract them from<\/li>\n<li>I found an interesting match to the Wilkinson line, but could not figure out how he is connected.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this Blog, I would like to look for Pilling matches. I have a motive for this. Those who are descended just from Pilling will not be descended from Hartley. Theoretically, I could eliminate some of my matches from my Hartley ancestor search. As it is, when I look at many of my Hartley DNA &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2025\/11\/11\/looking-for-pilling-clusters-at-ancestry\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Looking for Pilling Clusters at Ancestry&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[49,1,7,23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27781","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-autocluster","category-heading","category-hartley-dna","category-autosomal-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27781","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=27781"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27781\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28257,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/27781\/revisions\/28257"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=27781"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=27781"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=27781"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}