{"id":26477,"date":"2025-01-30T22:21:56","date_gmt":"2025-01-30T22:21:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=26477"},"modified":"2025-06-13T12:19:23","modified_gmt":"2025-06-13T12:19:23","slug":"recent-common-ancestor-matches-at-ancestry-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2025\/01\/30\/recent-common-ancestor-matches-at-ancestry-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Recent Common Ancestor Matches at Ancestry Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I had good luck with my Part 1 Blog, so I will continue.<\/p>\n<h2>Joyce<\/h2>\n<p>Joyce is my father&#8217;s 1st cousin, so a good candidate for common ancestor matches. I will use two filters for maternal (Hartley side) and common ancestors. Then I will sort by most recent:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-09_58_58-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26478\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-09_58_58-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1112\" height=\"1161\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-09_58_58-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 1112w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-09_58_58-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-287x300.png 287w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-09_58_58-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-981x1024.png 981w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-09_58_58-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-768x802.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>None of Joyce&#8217;s matches in this category are very new. However, I will take a look.<\/p>\n<h3>Thomas<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_01_19-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26479\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_01_19-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"825\" height=\"1416\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_01_19-.png 825w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_01_19--175x300.png 175w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_01_19--597x1024.png 597w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_01_19--768x1318.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I recently did an update on my Bearse ancestry. As all of Thomas&#8217; ancestors are in white, that means that Thomas has been added to my Ancestry Tree.<\/p>\n<h3>Catherine<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_06_06-Relationship-to-Catherine-Harbison.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26480\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_06_06-Relationship-to-Catherine-Harbison.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"814\" height=\"1044\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_06_06-Relationship-to-Catherine-Harbison.png 814w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_06_06-Relationship-to-Catherine-Harbison-234x300.png 234w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_06_06-Relationship-to-Catherine-Harbison-798x1024.png 798w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_06_06-Relationship-to-Catherine-Harbison-768x985.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Catherine is the daughter of Lauri who also tested at Ancestry. I am surprised that I do not see these two on the DNA Tree for my great-grandparents:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26481\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"2303\" height=\"462\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 2303w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x60.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1024x205.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x154.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1536x308.png 1536w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_08_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-2048x411.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Robert is the youngest, so he should be on the right. In addition, my great-grandparents had no son named John. I see that John is the son of Robert, so I will fix this.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_26_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26482\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_26_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"750\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_26_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 750w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_26_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x240.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I believe that the pinkish color means that Simone tested at 23andMe. Robert was born 20 years after my grandfather. Here is a photo of Robert:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_28_49-Robert-Hartley-Hints.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26483\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_28_49-Robert-Hartley-Hints.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"748\" height=\"892\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_28_49-Robert-Hartley-Hints.png 748w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_28_49-Robert-Hartley-Hints-252x300.png 252w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Lori and Martin<\/h3>\n<p>Lori&#8217;s common ancestor shows as a paternal match to Joyce though the DNA says maternal, so I will ignore that one. Here is the suggested connection for Martin:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_43_08-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26484\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_43_08-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"822\" height=\"1223\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_43_08-.png 822w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_43_08--202x300.png 202w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_43_08--688x1024.png 688w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_43_08--768x1143.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is an old connection and will be difficult to substantiate. However, it is interesting as my immigrant ancestor, Greenwood PIlling apparently got his name from Mary Pilling&#8217;s father who was Greenwood PIlling.<\/p>\n<p>Here is what I have on my Pilling Web Page:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_48_59-Descendents-of-Greenwood-PIlling-Register-to-HTM.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26485\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_48_59-Descendents-of-Greenwood-PIlling-Register-to-HTM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1142\" height=\"683\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_48_59-Descendents-of-Greenwood-PIlling-Register-to-HTM.png 1142w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_48_59-Descendents-of-Greenwood-PIlling-Register-to-HTM-300x179.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_48_59-Descendents-of-Greenwood-PIlling-Register-to-HTM-1024x612.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-10_48_59-Descendents-of-Greenwood-PIlling-Register-to-HTM-768x459.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If I have it right, Greenwood died tragically at the age of 23. I do show a son John.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll add Martin to my Ancestry Tree as a floating tree.\u00a0 Martin&#8217;s tree goes back to his Crabtree grandmother:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_02_29-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26486\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_02_29-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"669\" height=\"346\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_02_29-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png 669w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_02_29-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-300x155.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 669px) 100vw, 669px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Martin&#8217;s father and grandparents were in Great Harwood in 1939:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_13_08-Ancestry.com-1939-England-and-Wales-Register.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26487\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_13_08-Ancestry.com-1939-England-and-Wales-Register.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1319\" height=\"216\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_13_08-Ancestry.com-1939-England-and-Wales-Register.png 1319w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_13_08-Ancestry.com-1939-England-and-Wales-Register-300x49.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_13_08-Ancestry.com-1939-England-and-Wales-Register-1024x168.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_13_08-Ancestry.com-1939-England-and-Wales-Register-768x126.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_01_47-Great-Harwood-Google-Maps.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26488\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_01_47-Great-Harwood-Google-Maps.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"682\" height=\"353\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_01_47-Great-Harwood-Google-Maps.png 682w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_01_47-Great-Harwood-Google-Maps-300x155.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 682px) 100vw, 682px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, I have ancestors from both Bacup nd Colne.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26489\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1732\" height=\"181\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census.png 1732w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census-300x31.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census-1024x107.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census-768x80.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_19_12-Ancestry.com-1901-England-Census-1536x161.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In 1901, the family is in Blackburn, but father James Crabtree was born in Bury (or possibly Burnely?). Other Census reports appear to confirm that it was Bury.<\/p>\n<p>Here is a marriage record:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_32_20-Lancashire-England-Church-of-England-Marriages-and-Banns-1754-1936-Ancestry.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26490\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_32_20-Lancashire-England-Church-of-England-Marriages-and-Banns-1754-1936-Ancestry.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1407\" height=\"434\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_32_20-Lancashire-England-Church-of-England-Marriages-and-Banns-1754-1936-Ancestry.png 1407w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_32_20-Lancashire-England-Church-of-England-Marriages-and-Banns-1754-1936-Ancestry-300x93.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_32_20-Lancashire-England-Church-of-England-Marriages-and-Banns-1754-1936-Ancestry-1024x316.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_32_20-Lancashire-England-Church-of-England-Marriages-and-Banns-1754-1936-Ancestry-768x237.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The marriage takes place in Haslingden:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_35_41-Lane-Side-Google-Maps.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26491\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_35_41-Lane-Side-Google-Maps.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1085\" height=\"348\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_35_41-Lane-Side-Google-Maps.png 1085w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_35_41-Lane-Side-Google-Maps-300x96.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_35_41-Lane-Side-Google-Maps-1024x328.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_35_41-Lane-Side-Google-Maps-768x246.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>They are perhaps older than average when marrying.<\/p>\n<p>James&#8217; father is listed as James, but this is crossed out and John is written in.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_50_18-1891-England-Census-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26492\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_50_18-1891-England-Census-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1453\" height=\"670\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_50_18-1891-England-Census-Ancestry.com_.png 1453w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_50_18-1891-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-300x138.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_50_18-1891-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-1024x472.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-11_50_18-1891-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-768x354.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is James in 1891 at 330 Manchester Road which correlates exactly with his marriage record. This is where my research deviates with Anestry. James&#8217; mother appears to be Esther, not Margaret. However, John is born in Colne which is interesting. I have also considered the Crabtree name as a possible ancestor in the past.<\/p>\n<p>The family is in Salford in 1871:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26493\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1800\" height=\"465\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_.png 1800w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-300x78.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-1024x265.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-768x198.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_03_43-1871-England-Census-Ancestry.com_-1536x397.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The family is in North Bury in 1861:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26494\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"2009\" height=\"170\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census.png 2009w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census-300x25.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census-1024x87.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census-768x65.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census-1536x130.png 1536w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_13_06-Ancestry.com-1861-England-Census-2000x170.png 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here are two records from one of my favorite web sites:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_15_38-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26495\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_15_38-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"692\" height=\"580\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_15_38-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search.png 692w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_15_38-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-300x251.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 692px) 100vw, 692px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The best choice is the 1859 marriage. Note that it takes place in Bury and that John&#8217;s father is Joseph, the name of John&#8217;s first child.\u00a0 This puts the couples&#8217; birth at about 1834. This appears to be John&#8217;s baptismal record at a Wesleyan Church:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_22_15-Ancestry.com-England-Wales-Non-Conformist-and-Non-Parochial-Registers-1567.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26496\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_22_15-Ancestry.com-England-Wales-Non-Conformist-and-Non-Parochial-Registers-1567.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"892\" height=\"322\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_22_15-Ancestry.com-England-Wales-Non-Conformist-and-Non-Parochial-Registers-1567.png 892w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_22_15-Ancestry.com-England-Wales-Non-Conformist-and-Non-Parochial-Registers-1567-300x108.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_22_15-Ancestry.com-England-Wales-Non-Conformist-and-Non-Parochial-Registers-1567-768x277.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is the family in 1841 on Parilament Street in Colne:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_24_47-Ancestry.com-1841-England-Census.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26497\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_24_47-Ancestry.com-1841-England-Census.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1162\" height=\"247\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_24_47-Ancestry.com-1841-England-Census.png 1162w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_24_47-Ancestry.com-1841-England-Census-300x64.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_24_47-Ancestry.com-1841-England-Census-1024x218.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_24_47-Ancestry.com-1841-England-Census-768x163.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The 1851 Census shows that all three were born in Colne:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26498\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1595\" height=\"155\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census.png 1595w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census-300x29.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census-1024x100.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census-768x75.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_27_08-Ancestry.com-1851-England-Census-1536x149.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is a marriage record:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_29_41-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26499\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_29_41-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"633\" height=\"259\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_29_41-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search.png 633w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-12_29_41-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-300x123.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 633px) 100vw, 633px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is likely the birth record for Joseph:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_00_28-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26501\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_00_28-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"674\" height=\"230\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_00_28-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png 674w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_00_28-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln-300x102.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 674px) 100vw, 674px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is Shawhead:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_04_47-2025-01-30-12_56_25-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26503\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_04_47-2025-01-30-12_56_25-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1435\" height=\"595\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_04_47-2025-01-30-12_56_25-.png 1435w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_04_47-2025-01-30-12_56_25--300x124.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_04_47-2025-01-30-12_56_25--1024x425.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_04_47-2025-01-30-12_56_25--768x318.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is also interesting as some of my other DNA inspired genealogical research has lead me to this area.<\/p>\n<p>Here are some likely parents:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_09_36-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26504\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_09_36-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"641\" height=\"485\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_09_36-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png 641w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_09_36-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln-300x227.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 641px) 100vw, 641px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is the likely family:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_13_22-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26505\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_13_22-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"654\" height=\"708\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_13_22-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln.png 654w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-13_13_22-Lancashire-OnLine-Parish-Clerk-Project-Search-for-the-Township-of-Pendle-Coln-277x300.png 277w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 654px) 100vw, 654px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, I do not know where Heaton is. This may be Richard Crabtree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-15_40_56-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-26507\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-15_40_56-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"401\" height=\"448\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-15_40_56-LGDisplayExtensionWnd.png 401w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2025-01-30-15_40_56-LGDisplayExtensionWnd-269x300.png 269w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 401px) 100vw, 401px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>One of the relatively recent Common Matches for Joyce lead me to cleaning up my Hartley\/Snell DNA Tree<\/li>\n<li>Another match purported to lead to my Pilling Line, but seemed to follow a Crabtree line to the area where my ancestors lived in Colne Parish, Lancashire<\/li>\n<li>The Crabtree name has come up before and the area to the North of Colne (Foulridge) has come up. This could be coincidence, or I could be on to something. It is difficult to tell right now.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I had good luck with my Part 1 Blog, so I will continue. Joyce Joyce is my father&#8217;s 1st cousin, so a good candidate for common ancestor matches. I will use two filters for maternal (Hartley side) and common ancestors. Then I will sort by most recent: None of Joyce&#8217;s matches in this category are &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2025\/01\/30\/recent-common-ancestor-matches-at-ancestry-part-2\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Recent Common Ancestor Matches at Ancestry Part 2&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,7,23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-26477","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-hartley-dna","category-autosomal-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26477","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=26477"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26477\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":27077,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/26477\/revisions\/27077"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=26477"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=26477"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=26477"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}