{"id":24980,"date":"2024-09-05T13:34:29","date_gmt":"2024-09-05T13:34:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=24980"},"modified":"2024-09-05T13:34:29","modified_gmt":"2024-09-05T13:34:29","slug":"my-fathers-cousin-joyces-shared-matches","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2024\/09\/05\/my-fathers-cousin-joyces-shared-matches\/","title":{"rendered":"My Father&#8217;s Cousin Joyce&#8217;s Shared Matches"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have been recently looking at my enhanced shared matches at Ancestry. It occurs to me that it would make sense to look at Joyce&#8217;s enhanced matches. Joyce matches me on her maternal side, so I chose that:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_32_00-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24983\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_32_00-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"716\" height=\"104\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_32_00-Window.png 716w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_32_00-Window-300x44.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 716px) 100vw, 716px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Gary has a private tree.<\/p>\n<p>According to Ancestry, Warren is Gary&#8217;s father:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_33_17-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24984\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_33_17-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"815\" height=\"101\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_33_17-Window.png 815w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_33_17-Window-300x37.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_33_17-Window-768x95.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is Warren on my tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_36_57-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24985\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_36_57-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"991\" height=\"485\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_36_57-Window.png 991w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_36_57-Window-300x147.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_36_57-Window-768x376.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>For some reason, I have him in yellow. The problem now is whether Gary is Ahsa&#8217;s father or not. I think that Asha tested at 23andMe. I&#8217;ll just add Gary in the box with Asha&#8217;s dad.<\/p>\n<h2>Suzanne<\/h2>\n<p>Joyce&#8217;s top maternal match is Suzanne:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_47_24-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24986\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_47_24-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"712\" height=\"120\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_47_24-Window.png 712w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_47_24-Window-300x51.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 712px) 100vw, 712px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Suzanne has an unlinked tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_48_46-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24987\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_48_46-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"447\" height=\"190\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_48_46-Window.png 447w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_48_46-Window-300x128.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 447px) 100vw, 447px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The connection must be through Suzanne&#8217;s maternal grandfather, Alan Hartley. I have Alan in my tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_50_20-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24988\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_50_20-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"631\" height=\"481\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_50_20-Window.png 631w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_50_20-Window-300x229.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 631px) 100vw, 631px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Adding Suzanne, adds another Hartley Line to my tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_53_49-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24989\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_53_49-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1068\" height=\"498\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_53_49-Window.png 1068w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_53_49-Window-300x140.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_53_49-Window-1024x477.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_53_49-Window-768x358.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Diana<\/h2>\n<p>Diana is next on the list:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_59_10-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24990\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-21_59_10-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"238\" height=\"158\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Diana has a tree that looks like Suzanne. From other information, I see that Suzanne and Diane are sisters. I&#8217;m sure that the shared matches would show that also.<\/p>\n<h2>Will<\/h2>\n<p>Will is difficult to figure out by shared matches. However, by process of elimiation, I can place him:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-22_09_24-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24992\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-22_09_24-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"850\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-22_09_24-Window.png 850w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-22_09_24-Window-300x169.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-19-22_09_24-Window-768x434.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>On second thought, Will should be the Bill I used to play ball with as a kid. The DNA match should be Bill&#8217;s son Will.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_16_49-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24994\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_16_49-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1171\" height=\"740\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_16_49-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 1171w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_16_49-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x190.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_16_49-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1024x647.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_16_49-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x485.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This shows Joyce and Will as 1st cousins once removed.<\/p>\n<h2>Liffers<\/h2>\n<p>Liffers should be easy to place as there are many Liffers matches. The trick is that the tree is set to the spouse:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_23_24-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24995\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_23_24-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"287\" height=\"261\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If I choose &#8216;Spouse&#8217;, I get this tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_24_18-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24996\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_24_18-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"939\" height=\"346\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_24_18-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png 939w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_24_18-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-300x111.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_24_18-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-768x283.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The maternal side of this male Liffers is clear a match. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t have the work I did on my other computer as I am on my laptop, so I will add Suzanne back in:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_35_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24997\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_35_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"328\" height=\"369\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_35_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 328w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_35_35-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-267x300.png 267w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 328px) 100vw, 328px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Shared matches show Suzanne and Liffers as siblings.<\/p>\n<h2>M.F.<\/h2>\n<p>I am going down Joyce&#8217;s match list and looking at the matches without a listed common ancestor:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_39_10-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24998\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_39_10-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1047\" height=\"215\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_39_10-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches.png 1047w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_39_10-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-300x62.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_39_10-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-1024x210.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_39_10-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-768x158.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I know where M.F. fits in, but I want to put her on my chart. It looks like I can do that from M.F.&#8217;s tree:<\/p>\n<p>Ma<\/p>\n<p>Her maternal grandmother was my grandfather&#8217;s sister.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_44_26-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25000\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_44_26-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1166\" height=\"714\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_44_26-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 1166w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_44_26-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x184.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_44_26-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1024x627.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_44_26-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x470.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Marsha, Nicole, and Samantha<\/h2>\n<p>These are more fairly close relatives. They will be easily added to my James Hartley DNA\/Genealogy Tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25001\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"2430\" height=\"752\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 2430w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x93.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1024x317.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x238.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1536x475.png 1536w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-10_59_06-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-2048x634.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is turning into an impressively large tree.<\/p>\n<h2>N.M, Aimee, and Riley<\/h2>\n<p>More easy adds:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25002\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"2245\" height=\"755\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 2245w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x101.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1024x344.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x258.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-1536x517.png 1536w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-11_12_22-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-2048x689.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, I did not add nm as she is my sister Heidi&#8217;s daughter. I would have had to split my box out to 6 people, making a large chart much larger.<\/p>\n<h2>m.a.<\/h2>\n<p>I&#8217;m finding m.a. difficult to place precisely.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_01_34-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25003\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_01_34-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"706\" height=\"201\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_01_34-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png 706w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_01_34-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-300x85.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 100vw, 706px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is my guess:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_04_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25004\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_04_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"930\" height=\"622\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_04_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 930w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_04_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-300x201.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-20-12_04_37-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x514.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ancestry thinks that Gary is m.a.&#8217;s half uncle which is still an uncle. Also Ancestry thinks that ME (who I just added) is m.a.&#8217;s grandaunt.<\/p>\n<h2>Camie on the Snell Side<\/h2>\n<p>Camie matches Joyce by 129 cM. From shared matches, Charles is Camie&#8217;s father:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_00_46-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25009\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_00_46-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"811\" height=\"105\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_00_46-Window.png 811w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_00_46-Window-300x39.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_00_46-Window-768x99.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Further, C.W. is Camie&#8217;s son:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-00_59_24-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25008\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-00_59_24-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"818\" height=\"250\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-00_59_24-Window.png 818w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-00_59_24-Window-300x92.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-00_59_24-Window-768x235.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here I have added Camie and C.W.:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_02_55-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25010\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_02_55-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"499\" height=\"649\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_02_55-Window.png 499w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-01_02_55-Window-231x300.png 231w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 499px) 100vw, 499px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It appears that there are two C.W.&#8217;s, but I have added only one. Here we have four generations of a tested family. Those that match this family should not have Hartley ancestry if they are far enough back as they descend from the Snell side only.<\/p>\n<h2>Kristen: A Link to Lancashire?<\/h2>\n<p>Kristen&#8217;s Hartley link to Joyce goes back another generation compared to her many Hartley matches:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_47_19-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25012\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_47_19-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"524\" height=\"703\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_47_19-Window.png 524w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_47_19-Window-224x300.png 224w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 524px) 100vw, 524px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Greenwood was born in Trawden, Lancashire. Due to the industrial revolution putting hand loom weavers out of business, he moved to Bacup, Lancashire where he married Ann Emmet.<\/p>\n<h3>Joyce and Kristen&#8217;s Shared Matches<\/h3>\n<p>I have wondered to Jennifer is:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_52_21-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25013\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_52_21-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"964\" height=\"120\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_52_21-Window.png 964w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_52_21-Window-300x37.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-13_52_21-Window-768x96.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There are some close shared matches matches to Jennifer on the list, but those matches do not have much other information about themselves.<\/p>\n<h3>Joyce and Sheryl<\/h3>\n<p>Sheryl is one of Joyce and Kristen&#8217;s shared matches:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_01_57-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25014\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_01_57-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"994\" height=\"168\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_01_57-Window.png 994w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_01_57-Window-300x51.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_01_57-Window-768x130.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sheryl shows a potential set of common ancestors:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_03_50-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25015\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_03_50-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"561\" height=\"914\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_03_50-Window.png 561w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_03_50-Window-184x300.png 184w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 561px) 100vw, 561px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Bracewell is a name that comes up often in Lancashire matches. I also have that John Hartley, common ancestor married Ann Bracewell who would be another common ancestor if this representation is correct.<\/p>\n<p>I also like Sheryl&#8217;s family tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_08_45-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25016\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_08_45-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"867\" height=\"495\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_08_45-Window.png 867w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_08_45-Window-300x171.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-24-14_08_45-Window-768x438.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The reason that I like it is that all the people in the last full column are from the United States except for John Bracewell. That means that there is less of a chance that other confusing Lanchashire people married into this family.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, I have tried to extend Sheryl&#8217;s tree and come up with this likely scenario:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-25-08_23_26-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25018\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-25-08_23_26-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"472\" height=\"429\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-25-08_23_26-Window.png 472w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-25-08_23_26-Window-300x273.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 472px) 100vw, 472px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That means that either I did the genealogy wrong, or I am related to Sheryl on her Bracewell side and not the Hartley side.<\/p>\n<h3>Joyce and Kristen&#8217;s Shared Match Paul<\/h3>\n<p>I have looked at Paul&#8217;s genealogy before and gotten him back to John Hartley and Ann Bracewell:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25021\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"2242\" height=\"382\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry.png 2242w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-300x51.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-1024x174.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-768x131.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-1536x262.png 1536w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_13_05-Horizontal-Tree-View-Ancestry-2048x349.png 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I had to go back quite a way from Paul&#8217;s posted tree which just went back to his two parents. This tree is from Paul&#8217;s maternal side. Here is a tree that I have:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_18_11-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25022\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_18_11-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"788\" height=\"1055\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_18_11-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel.png 788w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_18_11-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-224x300.png 224w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_18_11-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-765x1024.png 765w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_18_11-Greenwood-descendant-Chart-Excel-768x1028.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>By this, Joyce is Paul&#8217;s 5th cousin once removed. I do notice some discrepancy between the Sheryl&#8217;s line in the tree above and the tree I had created earlier. However, I do note this connection:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_29_54-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25023\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_29_54-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1519\" height=\"222\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_29_54-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png 1519w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_29_54-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-300x44.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_29_54-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-1024x150.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/2024-09-01-18_29_54-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-768x112.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sheryl and Paul have a 20 cM DNA match with each other. That seems to add more evidence that my tree above may be correct.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>It was helpful looking at my father&#8217;s cousin&#8217;s shared matchese at Ancestry<\/li>\n<li>Using that, I could place some of the closer cousins into my Hartley DNA\/Genealogy chart even though the matches had no usable family trees<\/li>\n<li>I looked at some shared matches with Kristen. Kristen is a helpful match as her connection goes back a generation on the Hartley line compared to most of my Hartley relatives.<\/li>\n<li>There is some confusion as to whether my ancestors are John Hartley born 1730 and Ann Bracewell. However, shared matches Paul and Sheryl have genealogies that suggest that these could be the right ancestors. In addition, Paul and Sheryl show a match with each other.<\/li>\n<li>It would be helpful to do more analysis in this area to try to confirm or disprove the genealogy and whether the DNA evidence supports what the genealogy shows or suggests.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been recently looking at my enhanced shared matches at Ancestry. It occurs to me that it would make sense to look at Joyce&#8217;s enhanced matches. Joyce matches me on her maternal side, so I chose that: &nbsp; Gary has a private tree. According to Ancestry, Warren is Gary&#8217;s father: Here is Warren on &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2024\/09\/05\/my-fathers-cousin-joyces-shared-matches\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;My Father&#8217;s Cousin Joyce&#8217;s Shared Matches&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-24980","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-autosomal-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24980","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=24980"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24980\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":25024,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24980\/revisions\/25024"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=24980"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=24980"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=24980"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}