{"id":24755,"date":"2024-08-08T23:33:20","date_gmt":"2024-08-08T23:33:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=24755"},"modified":"2024-08-08T23:33:20","modified_gmt":"2024-08-08T23:33:20","slug":"more-butler-dna-review-and-dna-painter","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2024\/08\/08\/more-butler-dna-review-and-dna-painter\/","title":{"rendered":"More Butler DNA Review and DNA Painter"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I need to do some extra review now that I have a new set of ancestors for my wife&#8217;s Butler Line. I had previously thought that the immigrant ancestor Edward Butler was the son of Michael Butler and Margaret Croke. This has turned out to be extremely unlikely. A more likely candidate now is Edward, son of Henry Butler and Anne Russel. This man was actually born Adam but went by Edward.<\/p>\n<h2>Gedmatch<\/h2>\n<p>I had an early match between my late father-in-law Richard Butler and a Murphy descendant from New Brunswick. I can now map his DNA to Richard&#8217;s profile at DNAPainter. I have the match&#8217;s name as Nathan on my chart:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24756\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1737\" height=\"615\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png 1737w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-300x106.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-1024x363.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-768x272.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_18_36-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-1536x544.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>By the chart, Nathan is Richard&#8217;s third cousin twice removed. Here are some expected shared DNA amounts for that relationship:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_22_11-DNA-Painter-_-Shared-cM-Project-4.0-tool-v4-with-relationship-probabilities.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24757\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_22_11-DNA-Painter-_-Shared-cM-Project-4.0-tool-v4-with-relationship-probabilities.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"221\" height=\"630\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_22_11-DNA-Painter-_-Shared-cM-Project-4.0-tool-v4-with-relationship-probabilities.png 221w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_22_11-DNA-Painter-_-Shared-cM-Project-4.0-tool-v4-with-relationship-probabilities-105x300.png 105w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 221px) 100vw, 221px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is the match at Gedmatch:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_24_02-GEDmatch.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24758\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_24_02-GEDmatch.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"848\" height=\"77\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_24_02-GEDmatch.png 848w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_24_02-GEDmatch-300x27.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_24_02-GEDmatch-768x70.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is Richard&#8217;s DNA Painter map currently:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_27_34-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24759\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_27_34-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"893\" height=\"956\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_27_34-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png 893w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_27_34-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-280x300.png 280w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_27_34-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-768x822.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>He shows Kerivan, Rooney and an unknown match. I&#8217;ll add in Nathan which represents Henry Butler or Anne Russell&#8217;s DNA:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_33_13-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Richard.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24760\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_33_13-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Richard.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"899\" height=\"230\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_33_13-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Richard.png 899w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_33_13-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Richard-300x77.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_33_13-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Richard-768x196.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>When I do that, I see that I already have Nathan, but listed as an unknown branch. Now that I know that Branch I can make the necessary changes.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_37_35-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24761\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_37_35-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"749\" height=\"948\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_37_35-.png 749w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-09_37_35--237x300.png 237w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Note that there is no light blue bar for the X Chromosome as men do not receive on from their father &#8211; only their mother.<\/p>\n<h2>Virginia and Butler DNA Matches<\/h2>\n<p>I have the same unknown Butler in VIrginia&#8217;s DNA Painter profile:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_57_29-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Virginia.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24764\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_57_29-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Virginia.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"581\" height=\"949\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_57_29-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Virginia.png 581w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_57_29-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Virginia-184x300.png 184w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 581px) 100vw, 581px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We now know the common Butler ancestral couple to be Henry Butler from Wexford and his wife Anne Russel.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24765\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1609\" height=\"619\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel.png 1609w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-300x115.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-1024x394.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-768x295.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-07-20_58_56-Copy-of-ButlerKerivanTree.xlsx-Excel-1536x591.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Virginia is Lorraine&#8217;s sister and the Henry Butler DNA on Chromosome 4 is shared with James from FTDNA. Fortunately, I made that note on my chart. Also, I was fortunate to find her old FTDNA code in an old address book of mine.<\/p>\n<p>Here is Lorraine&#8217;s DNA Painter Profile for comparison:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-08-16_44_12-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Lorraine.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24767\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-08-16_44_12-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Lorraine.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"588\" height=\"901\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-08-16_44_12-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Lorraine.png 588w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/2024-08-08-16_44_12-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Lorraine-196x300.png 196w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 588px) 100vw, 588px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I should note that the birth years for George Butler and Henry Butler are guesses.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>I didn&#8217;t find any new DNA matches but I was able to sort out some old ones<\/li>\n<li>Previously I was searching for the wrong Edward Butler. This lead me in the wrong direction for DNA matches<\/li>\n<li>I now appear to have the right Edward Butler. Previously, I had to fill in &#8216;unknown Butler Ancestor&#8217; in DNA Painter. Now that I know that the common ancestor is Henry (born Adam) Butler, I am able to fill in the unknown DNA matches using DNA Painter.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I need to do some extra review now that I have a new set of ancestors for my wife&#8217;s Butler Line. I had previously thought that the immigrant ancestor Edward Butler was the son of Michael Butler and Margaret Croke. This has turned out to be extremely unlikely. A more likely candidate now is Edward, &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2024\/08\/08\/more-butler-dna-review-and-dna-painter\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;More Butler DNA Review and DNA Painter&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8,26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-24755","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-butler-dna","category-autosomal-dna-butler-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24755","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=24755"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24755\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":24768,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24755\/revisions\/24768"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=24755"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=24755"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=24755"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}