{"id":24353,"date":"2024-04-20T23:40:29","date_gmt":"2024-04-20T23:40:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=24353"},"modified":"2024-04-20T23:40:29","modified_gmt":"2024-04-20T23:40:29","slug":"more-hirschenhof-latvia-revision-lists-furhmann-and-biedermann","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2024\/04\/20\/more-hirschenhof-latvia-revision-lists-furhmann-and-biedermann\/","title":{"rendered":"More Hirschenhof Latvia Revision Lists: Furhmann and Biedermann"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have been working on a series of my Hirschenhof, Latvia ancestors using the Revision Lists. So far, I have looked at Rathfelder, Lutke and Schwechheimer. In this Blog, I will look at my Furhmann and Biedermann ancestors.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-07_59_25-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24354\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-07_59_25-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"945\" height=\"603\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-07_59_25-Window.png 945w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-07_59_25-Window-300x191.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-07_59_25-Window-768x490.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Note that Furhmann pops up in two branches. Also, as my last Blog was on the Schwechheimer family, I want to find Anna E Schwechheimer at the bottom of the tree above.<\/p>\n<h2>The 1782 Audit of Souls<\/h2>\n<p>The Revision LIst is also called the Audit of Souls. I will peruse through that list to see if I can find where the Furhmanns lived then. Here is the listing I want at the Raduraksti web site:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24356\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1641\" height=\"158\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie.png 1641w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-300x29.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1024x99.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-768x74.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_07_32-Altiene-Crown-Estate-German-Colony-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1536x148.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Confusingly, the listings for this Audit were under the Estate name. I see a Furhmann on Farm 40 (or possibly Family 40, but I think it is the Farm number):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_14_30-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24358\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_14_30-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"832\" height=\"98\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_14_30-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png 832w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_14_30-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-300x35.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_14_30-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-768x90.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jacob is 45, so he was born about 1737. This could perhaps be the Heinrich Jacob in my Tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_16_39-Heinrich-Jacob-Fuhrmann-Facts.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24359\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_16_39-Heinrich-Jacob-Fuhrmann-Facts.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1045\" height=\"1182\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_16_39-Heinrich-Jacob-Fuhrmann-Facts.png 1045w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_16_39-Heinrich-Jacob-Fuhrmann-Facts-265x300.png 265w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_16_39-Heinrich-Jacob-Fuhrmann-Facts-905x1024.png 905w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_16_39-Heinrich-Jacob-Fuhrmann-Facts-768x869.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ancestry has him as my 5th great-grandfather. If I have it right, I should have places for 128 5th great-grandparents. Here is the next page:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1602\" height=\"1013\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png 1602w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-300x190.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-1024x648.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-768x486.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-13_20_37-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-1536x971.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Whoever wrote this had a flair for handwriting. Here I also see that Anna Catharena Muller must be a second wife. That makes sense as I have Anna Magdalena Meng as my ancestor. The death of the first wife apparently happened betwee 12 and 5 years from 1782 based on the gap between children.<\/p>\n<p>Here is my transcription:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-21_38_51-Revision-Lists-Furhmann-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24362\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-21_38_51-Revision-Lists-Furhmann-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1012\" height=\"308\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-21_38_51-Revision-Lists-Furhmann-Excel.png 1012w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-21_38_51-Revision-Lists-Furhmann-Excel-300x91.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-18-21_38_51-Revision-Lists-Furhmann-Excel-768x234.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, Jacob&#8217;s new wife was 8 years older that Jacob&#8217;s daughter. Also there seems to be a discrepancy from the first daughter in my tree and Elisabeth Margare&#8230; in the Audit above. It is possible that the Maria Magdalena in my tree is wrong.<\/p>\n<h2>The 1811 Revision List (No Women Allowed)<\/h2>\n<p>This List is interesting, though only males are listed:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_18_46-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24364\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_18_46-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"536\" height=\"517\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_18_46-Window.png 536w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_18_46-Window-300x289.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 536px) 100vw, 536px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Now it is 29 years later. The elder Jacob has passed away in 1797. His son Jacob also passed in 1806. Anna Margaretha has married Johann Adam Biedermann and moved from Farm 42 to 43. However, Johann Adam has moved to Farm 33.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_24_38-hirschenhof1820.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24365\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_24_38-hirschenhof1820.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"891\" height=\"563\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_24_38-hirschenhof1820.png 891w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_24_38-hirschenhof1820-300x190.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_24_38-hirschenhof1820-768x485.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>One confusing thing is that there is 16 years between the old and new ages. That means that this must refer to a Revision that was performed in 1795 rather than 1782.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_56_19-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24366\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_56_19-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"788\" height=\"692\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_56_19-Window.png 788w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_56_19-Window-300x263.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-06_56_19-Window-768x674.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Biedermann in 1782<\/h2>\n<p>That leads me to look for Biedermann in 1782. Here they are on Farm 41 next to the Furhmanns:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_08_58-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24367\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_08_58-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1181\" height=\"457\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_08_58-Window.png 1181w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_08_58-Window-300x116.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_08_58-Window-1024x396.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_08_58-Window-768x297.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This leads me to believe that the Farm numbering changed a little between 1782 and 1811:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_20_13-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24368\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_20_13-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"822\" height=\"783\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_20_13-Window.png 822w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_20_13-Window-300x286.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_20_13-Window-768x732.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It is unclear why Sannewald took over Farm 41\/43 by 1811, but there were still Biedermanns living there.<\/p>\n<p>To fill out the picture, we need to look at Farm 30 in 1811:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_24_16-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24369\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_24_16-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1282\" height=\"462\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_24_16-Window.png 1282w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_24_16-Window-300x108.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_24_16-Window-1024x369.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_24_16-Window-768x277.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Farm 30 is run by Philip Jacob Gangnus another one of my ancestors. Makes sense. Anna Biedermann who is Adam&#8217;s daughter will marry Johann Jacob Gangnus, but not until after 1811. I will likely do a Blog on the Gangnus family in the Revision Lists at some point.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_37_05-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24370\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_37_05-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"505\" height=\"239\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_37_05-Window.png 505w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_37_05-Window-300x142.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 505px) 100vw, 505px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Looks like Johann Jacob is about 35 years older than Anna. In 1811, he is listed as moving to Farm 33. The 1816 Listing for Farm 33 has him moving to Farm 43:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_06_35-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24374\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_06_35-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1298\" height=\"687\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_06_35-Window.png 1298w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_06_35-Window-300x159.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_06_35-Window-1024x542.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_06_35-Window-768x406.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This was back where the Biedermann Family was before. The Farm is run by Siemon (Simon?)<\/p>\n<h2>1816<\/h2>\n<p>Let&#8217;s try to figure out what is going on for Adam Biedermann:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_47_43-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24372\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_47_43-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1006\" height=\"223\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_47_43-Window.png 1006w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_47_43-Window-300x67.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-07_47_43-Window-768x170.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Adam is living on the Sannewald Farm again. We can now see his wife as women are listed in the 1816 Revision.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_02_05-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24373\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_02_05-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"692\" height=\"767\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_02_05-Window.png 692w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_02_05-Window-271x300.png 271w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 692px) 100vw, 692px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>the good news is that this couple had a relatively long marriage for their time. The association between Biedermann and Farm 33 is still not totally clear.<\/p>\n<h2>The 1834 Revision Lists<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_09_49-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24375\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_09_49-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"548\" height=\"815\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_09_49-Window.png 548w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_09_49-Window-202x300.png 202w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 548px) 100vw, 548px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My first inclination is to look at Farm #43:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_11_46-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24376\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_11_46-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1009\" height=\"359\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_11_46-Window.png 1009w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_11_46-Window-300x107.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_11_46-Window-768x273.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My question is whether Adam was a subtenant meaning that he lived below the average income level of the Colony or whether there was some other reason for him living under Sannewald.<\/p>\n<p>I need to write this out on my Excel spreadsheet to make sense of it all:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_24_11-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24377\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_24_11-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"693\" height=\"384\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_24_11-Window.png 693w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_24_11-Window-300x166.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 693px) 100vw, 693px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Now, another 18 years have gone by. Johann Adam Biedmann passes away in 1832. There is no mention of his wife who likely also passed away.<\/p>\n<p>We think that Elisabeth Juliana has married old man Gangnus. Hopefully, I will find her when I do my Gangnus Blog.<\/p>\n<h2>Eva Fuhrmann<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_37_44-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24378\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_37_44-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"475\" height=\"490\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_37_44-Window.png 475w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_37_44-Window-291x300.png 291w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 475px) 100vw, 475px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I had found Eva previously on my Blog on the Lutke family. Here she is in 1858 on the Female side of the Revision List:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_42_34-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24379\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_42_34-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"984\" height=\"277\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_42_34-Window.png 984w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_42_34-Window-300x84.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-08_42_34-Window-768x216.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>She was on Farm #2 at the time.<\/p>\n<p>I think that the best strategy would be to look for Eva&#8217;s father in the 1811 Revision List. It looks like Friedrich Simon Fuhrmann was born in 1782, so probably missed the 1782 Audit. Friedrich Simon should be 29 at the 1811 Audit. The 1811 Revision List referred to an earlier Revision which was 16 years earlier, so that age should be about 13 years old.<\/p>\n<p>This could possibly be Friedrich Simon in 1811:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-17_28_39-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24382\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-17_28_39-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"732\" height=\"488\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-17_28_39-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782.png 732w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-17_28_39-Altiene-crown-estates-German-colonies-Helfreichshof-deutsche-Kolonie-1782-300x200.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 732px) 100vw, 732px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The birth seems to be two years off, but this seems to be the right name. He is said to be associated with Farm 11. I was able to find a Simon Fuhrmann on Farm 11 in 1811 with the help of Ancestry:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_09_34-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24384\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_09_34-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"891\" height=\"598\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_09_34-Window.png 891w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_09_34-Window-300x201.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_09_34-Window-768x515.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Simon is listed with son Gustav Woldemar who was 3 in 1811 so born in 1808. Now, I have two issues. One is that I did not have a father for Simon Furhmann and I do not have parents for his wife who is Anna Elisabeth Schwechheimer. My theory is that Anna Elisabeth was perhaps the sister of Johann Schwechheimer and that Simon Furhman who was Anna&#8217;s husband was the son of Jacob Fuhrmamm. Here is the hint that got me to the above image:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_20_01-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24385\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_20_01-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"481\" height=\"311\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_20_01-Window.png 481w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_20_01-Window-300x194.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 481px) 100vw, 481px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is either a typo or poor transcription or perhaps be a hint that Simon was married to the sister of the head of the farm.<\/p>\n<p>I then found more Furhmanns in the 1816 Revision Lists:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_56_58-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24386\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_56_58-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"993\" height=\"93\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_56_58-Window.png 993w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_56_58-Window-300x28.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_56_58-Window-768x72.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_57_25-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24387\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_57_25-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1003\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_57_25-Window.png 1003w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_57_25-Window-300x130.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_57_25-Window-768x332.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Simon Furhmann is at Farm 42. Here is my attempt at a transcription:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_54_11-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24388\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_54_11-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"675\" height=\"786\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_54_11-Window.png 675w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-20_54_11-Window-258x300.png 258w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 675px) 100vw, 675px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I added Jacob as Simon&#8217;s father:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-21_08_09-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24389\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-21_08_09-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"743\" height=\"511\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-21_08_09-Window.png 743w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-19-21_08_09-Window-300x206.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, my conclusion is that Jacob is the same as Heinrich Jacob, the father of Anna Maria M Fuhrmann above. However, when I add in Simon:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_45_44-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24391\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_45_44-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"601\" height=\"843\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_45_44-Window.png 601w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_45_44-Window-214x300.png 214w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 601px) 100vw, 601px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I see that Friedrich Simon was born after the death of Anna Magdalena Meng. The answer is in the 1782 Audit of Souls:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_47_33-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24392\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_47_33-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"683\" height=\"168\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_47_33-Window.png 683w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_47_33-Window-300x74.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 683px) 100vw, 683px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jacob married Catharina Muller and had Anna Charlotta, Eva Christina and Friedrich Simon.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_58_03-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24393\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_58_03-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"562\" height=\"571\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_58_03-Window.png 562w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-12_58_03-Window-295x300.png 295w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 562px) 100vw, 562px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There, I think that is right now.<\/p>\n<p>I added these children in for the family of Simon Furhmann and Anna Elisabeth Schwechheimer:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_07_05-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24397\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_07_05-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"615\" height=\"693\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_07_05-Window.png 615w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_07_05-Window-266x300.png 266w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 615px) 100vw, 615px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I think that Woldemar died young as I did not see him in the 1816 Revision List.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_24_02-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-24398\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_24_02-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"574\" height=\"414\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_24_02-Window.png 574w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/2024-04-20-17_24_02-Window-300x216.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 574px) 100vw, 574px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I think this shows that Johann Gangnus and Anna Jacobine Lutke were half second cousins to each other.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>It was perhaps ambitious to look at the Biedermann and Fuhrmann Families together in the Revision Lists, but it was helpful to do it that way due to the interrelationships between the two families<\/li>\n<li>The Revision Lists are a wealth of information when it comes to the structure of family units. It would be extremely difficult to put thes families together without these family lists.<\/li>\n<li>I was able to add additional family members to my ancestors families.<\/li>\n<li>I was able to see how my two Fuhrmann branches were related to each other and added Anna Catharina Muller as an ancestor.<\/li>\n<li>I will likely try to wrap up some loose ends in an upcoming Blog before I delve into my Gangnus ancestors families in the Revision Lists.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been working on a series of my Hirschenhof, Latvia ancestors using the Revision Lists. So far, I have looked at Rathfelder, Lutke and Schwechheimer. In this Blog, I will look at my Furhmann and Biedermann ancestors. Note that Furhmann pops up in two branches. Also, as my last Blog was on the Schwechheimer &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2024\/04\/20\/more-hirschenhof-latvia-revision-lists-furhmann-and-biedermann\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;More Hirschenhof Latvia Revision Lists: Furhmann and Biedermann&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,16,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-24353","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-rathfelder","category-rathfelderlentznicholson-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24353","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=24353"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24353\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":24404,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24353\/revisions\/24404"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=24353"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=24353"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=24353"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}