{"id":22627,"date":"2023-10-01T23:06:36","date_gmt":"2023-10-01T23:06:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=22627"},"modified":"2025-03-15T17:33:42","modified_gmt":"2025-03-15T17:33:42","slug":"a-new-frazer-bigy-test-completed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2023\/10\/01\/a-new-frazer-bigy-test-completed\/","title":{"rendered":"A New Frazer BigY Test Completed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I am descended from Frazers from North Roscommon County, Ireland on my paternal grandmother&#8217;s side. I have tested a Frazer cousin to get Frazer YDNA results. Similarly, Mansoor has used his maternal Uncle by last name of Barker to take a BigY test to get his Frazer results. Mansoor&#8217;s goal is to find the identity of his grandfather Thomas&#8217; true father. Autosomal testing of Mr. Barker already showed that he was related to a branch of the Frazers even though his last name is not Frazer.<\/p>\n<h2>Barker&#8217;s BigY Results<\/h2>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_43_41-Big-Y-Block-Tree.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22629\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_43_41-Big-Y-Block-Tree.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"832\" height=\"640\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_43_41-Big-Y-Block-Tree.png 832w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_43_41-Big-Y-Block-Tree-300x231.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_43_41-Big-Y-Block-Tree-768x591.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>These results were not what I had expected, but they are very interesting. I had thought that Barker&#8217;s result (shown as &#8216;your branch&#8217;) would help to identify clarify Dingman&#8217;s results. However, what Barker&#8217;s results have done so far is split the James Frazer Branch where Rodney and Jonathan are.<\/p>\n<h3>The Archibald and James Frazer Lines<\/h3>\n<p>Genealogical evidence shows that there were two male head of household Frazers named Archibald and James living in North Roscommon in 1749.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_48_52-Frazers-Descending-from-Northern-Roscommon-County.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22630\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_48_52-Frazers-Descending-from-Northern-Roscommon-County.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"865\" height=\"301\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_48_52-Frazers-Descending-from-Northern-Roscommon-County.png 865w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_48_52-Frazers-Descending-from-Northern-Roscommon-County-300x104.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-07_48_52-Frazers-Descending-from-Northern-Roscommon-County-768x267.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Their father believed to be another Archibald Frazer has died by this time as indicated by the enumeration of Mary Frazer, &#8216;widdow&#8217;. From this all Frazer genealogy starts with two Frazer Lines: Archibald and James. Here is an image I have from a previous Blog. These are the lines of those who had previously taken the BigY test including their YDNA Branch names:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2022-08-02-13_21_57-Clipboard-1-1-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22631\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2022-08-02-13_21_57-Clipboard-1-1-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"614\" height=\"913\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2022-08-02-13_21_57-Clipboard-1-1-1.png 614w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2022-08-02-13_21_57-Clipboard-1-1-1-202x300.png 202w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 614px) 100vw, 614px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Previoiusly Rodney and Jonathan were in the Y151390 Branch which was the only known branch of the James Line at the time. Barker&#8217;s BigY results have pushed Rodney and Jonathan down a level on the YDNA tree to FT421607 as seen on the Block tree above and in the next image.<\/p>\n<h2>A New Genealogy\/YDNA Tree<\/h2>\n<p>Here is my revised tree:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_12_49-Frazer-YDNA-SNP-Tree-Excel-2.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22636\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_12_49-Frazer-YDNA-SNP-Tree-Excel-2.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"554\" height=\"828\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_12_49-Frazer-YDNA-SNP-Tree-Excel-2.png 554w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_12_49-Frazer-YDNA-SNP-Tree-Excel-2-201x300.png 201w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 554px) 100vw, 554px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>All 6 testers come under FT421618.<\/li>\n<li>It appears that all testers genealogically come under Archibald Frazer born about 1690. Therefore, it must follow that this Archibald Frazer was FT421618 and passed that down to all his Irish Frazer descendants.<\/li>\n<li>Dingman is also FT421618 with no further distinction. This chart had that he descends from John Frazer born 1775. I had previously wondered if he possibly had descended from John&#8217;s brother Richard or from the James Line. However Barker&#8217;s new testing makes it seem more likely from purely YDNA testing that Dingman is on the Archibald Line<\/li>\n<li>I have the new Y151390 between James born 1720 and Archibald born 1751. There is no way right now to know who was the first to have this SNP. It may also be Archibald Frazer born 1792.<\/li>\n<li>If Dingman was from the James Line, then James could not be the one to first have Y151390, but it seems for now that Dingman is in the right Frazer Line.<\/li>\n<li>We know that Rodney and Jonathan both have FT421607. Therefore, Thomas Henry Frazer must have that SNP. However, we do not know if he was the first in that Line to have that SNP.<\/li>\n<li>\u00a0We don&#8217;t know the genealogy for Barker. However, we know that he did not descend from Thomas Henry Frazer. That means that Barker descended from either Archibald Frazer born 1792, Archibald Frazer born 1751 or James Frazer born 1720.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Some More BigY Detail<\/h2>\n<p>In order for Barker to have split the previous SNP Block, he must be positive for Y151390 and negative for FT421607. In some ways, the negative results are more important:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_43_38-Big-Y-Results.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22637\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_43_38-Big-Y-Results.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1009\" height=\"820\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_43_38-Big-Y-Results.png 1009w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_43_38-Big-Y-Results-300x244.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_43_38-Big-Y-Results-768x624.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is Barker&#8217;s test results showing that for every read that the location of FT421607 there was no mutation. That means that Barker is negative for FT421607.<\/p>\n<p>This shows the results for the new SNP that Barker is in:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_45_54-Big-Y-Results.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22638\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_45_54-Big-Y-Results.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1043\" height=\"753\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_45_54-Big-Y-Results.png 1043w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_45_54-Big-Y-Results-300x217.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_45_54-Big-Y-Results-1024x739.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_45_54-Big-Y-Results-768x554.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>A mutation from C to T puts Barker as Y151390.<\/p>\n<p>As a new branch has formed, FTDNA will likely perform a manual review.<\/p>\n<p>Also, Y151390\u00a0 and FT421607 will be split out and placed in FTDNA&#8217;s Time Tree which should give a date for these two SNPs. The Time Tree currently does not have FT421607:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_51_59-Heal-Chaos-and-Overwhelm_-DECLUTTER-Every-Part-of-Your-Life-YouTube.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-22639\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_51_59-Heal-Chaos-and-Overwhelm_-DECLUTTER-Every-Part-of-Your-Life-YouTube.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"490\" height=\"971\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_51_59-Heal-Chaos-and-Overwhelm_-DECLUTTER-Every-Part-of-Your-Life-YouTube.png 490w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/2023-10-01-18_51_59-Heal-Chaos-and-Overwhelm_-DECLUTTER-Every-Part-of-Your-Life-YouTube-151x300.png 151w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 490px) 100vw, 490px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>The new Barker test shows that his genealogy is in the James Line<\/li>\n<li>The new BigY test split the old James Line branch into two<\/li>\n<li>The test shows that Barker must descend from James Frazer born 1720 or his son Archibald born 1751 or the next Archibald born 1792<\/li>\n<li>The new test seems to support that Dingman is from the Archibald line<\/li>\n<li>FTDNA should do a manual review on this test<\/li>\n<li>FTDNA will also update their Time tree to include the new FT421607<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I am descended from Frazers from North Roscommon County, Ireland on my paternal grandmother&#8217;s side. I have tested a Frazer cousin to get Frazer YDNA results. Similarly, Mansoor has used his maternal Uncle by last name of Barker to take a BigY test to get his Frazer results. Mansoor&#8217;s goal is to find the identity &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2023\/10\/01\/a-new-frazer-bigy-test-completed\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;A New Frazer BigY Test Completed&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,6,22],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22627"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=22627"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22627\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":26761,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22627\/revisions\/26761"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=22627"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=22627"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=22627"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}