{"id":22579,"date":"2023-09-23T14:32:12","date_gmt":"2023-09-23T14:32:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=22579"},"modified":"2023-09-23T14:32:12","modified_gmt":"2023-09-23T14:32:12","slug":"placing-ancestrydna-matches-the-michael-frazer-tree-with-thrulines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2023\/09\/23\/placing-ancestrydna-matches-the-michael-frazer-tree-with-thrulines\/","title":{"rendered":"Placing AncestryDNA Matches the Michael Frazer Tree with ThruLines"},"content":{"rendered":"

This Blog is a more concise summary of the Blog I wrote here<\/a>. Ancestry does a good job of trying to connect DNA matches and genealogies using a computer program called ThruLines. This is the right thing to do. However, Ancestry produces its ThruLines with published genealogies which can sometimes be off track or confusing.<\/p>\n

Years ago, I saw that some in my family had a fairly large DNA match with a person named BV at Ancestry. Looking into BV’s genealogy, I saw that I matched her on her McMaster side. Here are my brother Jon’s ThruLines:<\/p>\n

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I found out that my ancestor Margaret Frazer married William McMaster and then moved with her family to Ontario. My 3rd great-grandmother Fanny married in Ireland and stayed behind. It was clear from the DNA that our match to BV was on the James Line of Frazers. That Line had mostly descendants from James Frazer’s sons Archibald Frazer and Michael Frazer. There was also a Patrick Frazer, but I am not aware of DNA matches that I have from this line. From DNA matches to others and from genealogy clues, I reasoned that Margaret was likely the daughter of Michael Frazer and Margaret Stuart.<\/p>\n

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Ancestry has since added others to the Michael Frazer Tree using ThruLines:<\/p>\n

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My brother Jon’s ThruLines shows a match to BK on the Michael Frazer Line. I looked into BK’s genealogy and it checked out. It turns out that the Archibald above also moved to Ontario from Ireland. From there, we can track down his descent to BK. Unfornutately, the J.F. in the ThruLines is not correct. He descends from a different Archibald Frazer. But, his Archibald stayed in Ireland. Here is the tree of researcher Joanna (brother of J.F.):<\/p>\n

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Her ancestors beginning with Edward F Frazer were from Ireland and then later generations moved to England. The ThruLines mix up Archibald Frazer born in 1792 and Archibald Frazer born 1801. So how did Ancestry get this wrong?<\/p>\n

More on J.F.<\/h2>\n

J.F. is placed incorrectly at this time at least on one of my siblings’ ThruLines. I have access to J.F’s sister Joanna’s ThruLines:<\/p>\n

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Here, of course, Joanna is placed correctly. I am sure that if I had access to J.F.’s ThruLines, he would also show that he is descended from Archibald Frazer born 1792 and not the one born 1801. That means that J.F. is placed incorrectly in one ThruLine and correctly in another. In Ancestry’s defense, there has been a lot of confusion in the various trees and the genealogy does get a bit confusing with many Archibalds Frazer.<\/p>\n

A Complicating Factor<\/h3>\n

Interestingly, here is Joanna’s ThruLines going back to James the father of Michael and Archibald:<\/p>\n

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James had a daughter named Elizabeth. She marries a Knott and they have a daughter Catherine. Catherine marries Archibald Frazer born 1801 and BK also descends from this ancestry. That makes BK a 5th cousin once removed to Joanna and J.F.<\/p>\n

ThruLines for Monica<\/h2>\n

My sister Heidi shows more ThruLines on the Michael Frazer Line:<\/p>\n

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ThruLines has Monica under Michael, son of Michael.<\/p>\n

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Monica’s nephew Kyle is also shown under this branch. When I checked out Monica’s ancestry, I found this (from a previouis ThruLine):<\/p>\n

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I got Monica back to a Michael Frazer, but he was born in 1810. Before that, I lost track of the genealogy. Assuming the dates are correct, Michael born in 1810 could not be the son of Archibald born in 1801. That means that since I wrote the previous Blog, there appears to be a correction in the ThruLines that reflects the information that I found. Here is a case where, to me, it seems that the same name for the son plus a DNA connection seems to make up for lack of a birth record for Michael Frazer born around 1810.<\/p>\n

More on Michael Frazer Born 1810<\/h3>\n

I find it interesting that Ancestry came up with a logical conclusion that I also came up with. I wonder if there are trees which suggest that Michael born in 1810 was the son of Michael born in 1764. When I go back to my sister Heidi’s ThruLines and click on Michael Frazer born 1810, I get this note:<\/p>\n

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Here we see that Joanna has added Michael to her tree:<\/p>\n

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Here is what the other Tree at Ancestry shows:<\/p>\n

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So based on these two trees, Ancestry changed the ThruLines.<\/p>\n

Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n