{"id":21077,"date":"2022-10-15T19:32:39","date_gmt":"2022-10-15T19:32:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=21077"},"modified":"2022-10-15T19:32:39","modified_gmt":"2022-10-15T19:32:39","slug":"another-frazer-descendant-and-dna-match-christine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/10\/15\/another-frazer-descendant-and-dna-match-christine\/","title":{"rendered":"Another Frazer Descendant and DNA Match: Christine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the good thing of having a network of Frazer relatives who have had their DNA tested is that I get notified when there is a new match. That happened when Jane told me about a new match she had. Here is what Jane sent me:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_19_29-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21078\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_19_29-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1061\" height=\"573\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_19_29-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook.png 1061w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_19_29-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook-300x162.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_19_29-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook-1024x553.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_19_29-Inbox-joel@jmhartley.com-1-Outlook-768x415.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jane has a match to Christine as a 3rd cousin once removed. I have access to Jane&#8217;s matches and see that Christine matches Jane at 127 cM. That is actually quite a large match for a third cousin once removed:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21079\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"851\" height=\"856\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare.png 851w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-298x300.png 298w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-150x150.png 150w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-768x773.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_22_18-AncestryDNA\u00ae-Matches-Compare-100x100.png 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ancestry gives that relationship a 2% chance.<\/p>\n<h2>Christine and Me<\/h2>\n<p>I match Christine at 18 cM:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_25_40-Relationship-to-Christine-Woodhouse.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21080\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_25_40-Relationship-to-Christine-Woodhouse.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"504\" height=\"845\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_25_40-Relationship-to-Christine-Woodhouse.png 504w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_25_40-Relationship-to-Christine-Woodhouse-179x300.png 179w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 504px) 100vw, 504px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ancestry has Christine and me as half 6th cousins. Actually, I think we must be full cousins. I see that from a previous Blog I wrote, I had identified this line:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_36_10-2021-09-07-12_38_06-Archibald-Line-Relationships-Excel.png-1418\u00d7617.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21081\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_36_10-2021-09-07-12_38_06-Archibald-Line-Relationships-Excel.png-1418\u00d7617.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"995\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_36_10-2021-09-07-12_38_06-Archibald-Line-Relationships-Excel.png-1418\u00d7617.png 995w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_36_10-2021-09-07-12_38_06-Archibald-Line-Relationships-Excel.png-1418\u00d7617-300x174.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-18_36_10-2021-09-07-12_38_06-Archibald-Line-Relationships-Excel.png-1418\u00d7617-768x445.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This line is from Australia.<\/p>\n<h3>My ThruLines at Ancestry<\/h3>\n<p>My ThruLines show Christine:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-20_52_18-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21083\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-20_52_18-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1119\" height=\"916\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-20_52_18-Window.png 1119w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-20_52_18-Window-300x246.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-20_52_18-Window-1024x838.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-20_52_18-Window-768x629.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This image also has Jane and Suzanne who I don&#8217;t have on my chart. I don&#8217;t have Alan on my ThruLines, but he is probably there due to a match to someone else on the Chart.<\/p>\n<h2>Christine&#8217;s Genealogy<\/h2>\n<p>I don&#8217;t have any reason to doubt Christine&#8217;s genealogy, but I will take a look at it. All the Ancestry trees have Beatrice Frazer as Christine&#8217;s grandmother:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_24_17-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21084\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_24_17-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"646\" height=\"193\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_24_17-Window.png 646w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_24_17-Window-300x90.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 646px) 100vw, 646px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I have not done thorough research on this line, but Beatrice&#8217;s middle name Honora could come from her grandmother Honora White. Here is a gravestone inscription:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_26_29-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21085\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_26_29-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1205\" height=\"178\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_26_29-Window.png 1205w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_26_29-Window-300x44.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_26_29-Window-1024x151.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_26_29-Window-768x113.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This inscription is from Boroondara, near Melbourne:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_30_02-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21086\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_30_02-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"712\" height=\"704\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_30_02-Window.png 712w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_30_02-Window-300x297.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_30_02-Window-100x100.png 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 712px) 100vw, 712px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is Christine added to my Chart:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_39_31-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21087\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_39_31-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"588\" height=\"559\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_39_31-Window.png 588w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-13-21_39_31-Window-300x285.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 588px) 100vw, 588px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I have four of my siblings tested at Ancestry. Only one of the four matches Christine. This makes sense as a 6th cousin is quite a distant relationship.<\/p>\n<h2>My Match with Suzzanne<\/h2>\n<p>It turns out I already wrote <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2021\/04\/17\/my-frazer-dna-relative-suzzanne\/\">a Blog on Suzzanne<\/a> about a year and a half ago.\u00a0 The reason I didn&#8217;t see her is that I had placed Suzzanne here &#8211; on the Richard Frazer Line:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2021-04-13-09_24_13-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21091\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2021-04-13-09_24_13-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1110\" height=\"560\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2021-04-13-09_24_13-Window.png 1110w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2021-04-13-09_24_13-Window-300x151.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2021-04-13-09_24_13-Window-1024x517.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2021-04-13-09_24_13-Window-768x387.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This diagram is meant to indicate that Suzzanne and I have a common ancestor in Rebecca above. This shows that Suzzanne and I are actually 5th cousins &#8211; not 6th cousins. I am on the Richard Line because of Violet Frazer. I have that she married her first cousin James Frazer. James Frazer is on the ThruLines but that puts us out another generation. I suppose that I am related to Suzzanne as both 5th and 6th cousin &#8211; due to my 1st cousin ancestors: James and Violet Frazer.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Christine is my 6th cousin, so a DNA match at level is somewhat rare. According to FTDNA, I should have a less than 2% chance of matching Christine by DNA.<\/li>\n<li>Some of our ancestors married each other&#8217;s families which may account for the match.<\/li>\n<li>As this is such a distant match, it would be interesting to see on which chromosome Christine and I (and other Frazers) match.<\/li>\n<li>I didn&#8217;t do a full genealogical analysis of Christine&#8217;s tree, but it seems clear that due to a large DNA match with cousin Jane (127 cM), that the genealogy is correct.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the good thing of having a network of Frazer relatives who have had their DNA tested is that I get notified when there is a new match. That happened when Jane told me about a new match she had. Here is what Jane sent me: Jane has a match to Christine as a &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/10\/15\/another-frazer-descendant-and-dna-match-christine\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Another Frazer Descendant and DNA Match: Christine&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,21],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21077","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-frazer-dna","category-frazer-autosomal-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21077","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=21077"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21077\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":21094,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21077\/revisions\/21094"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=21077"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=21077"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=21077"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}