{"id":21001,"date":"2022-10-13T00:54:20","date_gmt":"2022-10-13T00:54:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=21001"},"modified":"2022-10-13T00:54:20","modified_gmt":"2022-10-13T00:54:20","slug":"three-new-latvian-matches-at-myheritage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/10\/13\/three-new-latvian-matches-at-myheritage\/","title":{"rendered":"Three New Latvian Matches at MyHeritage"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was pleasantly surprised recently to get three rather close DNA matches to myself and my family on my mother&#8217;s side. The three Latvian matches are Normunds, Elina and Zanda. Normunds is the father and Elina and Zanda are the daughters. These three matches are on my Rathfelder side.<\/p>\n<h2>Adding the New Matches to My Rathfelder Tree<\/h2>\n<p>I keep a combination genealogy\/DNA match tree. This is what I have so far for the Rathfelder tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_45_15-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21002\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_45_15-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1168\" height=\"696\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_45_15-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png 1168w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_45_15-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-300x179.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_45_15-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-1024x610.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_45_15-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-768x458.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I need to add the three matches under Vera:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_48_24-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21003\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_48_24-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"757\" height=\"411\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_48_24-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png 757w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_48_24-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-300x163.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>this shows that my mother and Vera are first cousins. that means that my siblings and I are 2nd cousins with Normunds and 2nd cousins once removed with Elina and Zanda. I have this photo of Vera from my cousin Anita:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Vera-Rathfelder-from-Anita.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21062\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Vera-Rathfelder-from-Anita.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1200\" height=\"1600\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Vera-Rathfelder-from-Anita.jpg 1200w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Vera-Rathfelder-from-Anita-225x300.jpg 225w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Vera-Rathfelder-from-Anita-768x1024.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/Vera-Rathfelder-from-Anita-1152x1536.jpg 1152w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>How We Match by DNA<\/h2>\n<p>For some reason, I can&#8217;t see the detailed DNA results for Normunds or Zanda. I do see results for Elina:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_52_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21004\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_52_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1100\" height=\"837\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_52_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 1100w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_52_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x228.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_52_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-1024x779.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_52_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x584.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>DNA Painter<\/h3>\n<p>This information can be added on to my DNA Painter profile. This is how it looks now:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_55_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21005\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_55_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"858\" height=\"962\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_55_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png 858w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_55_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-268x300.png 268w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_55_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-768x861.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This shows that I am &#8216;painted&#8217; overal 52%. This means that I have identified 52% of my DNA by known matches. On the representation above, the paterrnal side is the top part of each chromosome and the maternal part is the bottom of each chromosome. Here is just my maternal side:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_58_15-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21006\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_58_15-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"844\" height=\"952\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_58_15-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png 844w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_58_15-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-266x300.png 266w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-20_58_15-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-768x866.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This shows that I am painted 45% on my maternal side or a little less than half.<\/p>\n<p>When I add Elina, this gets my maternal side up to 47%:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-21_01_43-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21007\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-21_01_43-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"845\" height=\"960\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-21_01_43-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png 845w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-21_01_43-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-264x300.png 264w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-28-21_01_43-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-768x873.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That also raised my overall &#8216;painted&#8217; level to 53%.<\/p>\n<h2>Normunds DNA<\/h2>\n<p>At first I couldn&#8217;t see the specific matches for Normunds&#8217; DNA but Zanda made the corrections, so I can now see his results. Here they are:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_17_04-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21009\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_17_04-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"723\" height=\"832\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_17_04-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 723w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_17_04-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-261x300.png 261w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m interested to see how this will have an effect on my DNA Painter Profile. A second cousin is usually the best person to have for a match because they represent the DNA of one grandparent\u00a0 &#8211; in this case, my grandfather Alexander Rathfelder. It turns out that there is no overall effect for Normunds. This is perhaps because he overlaps with other Rathfelder matches. There was a difference, but not enough to bring the painted percentage up overall or on the maternal side.<\/p>\n<p>Here is Chromosome 15:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_27_27-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21011\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_27_27-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"819\" height=\"218\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_27_27-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel.png 819w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_27_27-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-300x80.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_27_27-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Joel-768x204.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This would indicate that Carolyn&#8217;s match is spurious. She matches at 8 cM and a certain percent of small matches are inaccurate or false matches. The other orange matches all have Henry [Heinrich] Rathfelder and Maria Gangnus as common ancestors.<\/p>\n<p>Here is what MyHeritage shows between myself and Normands:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_32_47-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21012\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_32_47-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1109\" height=\"142\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_32_47-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 1109w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_32_47-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x38.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_32_47-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-1024x131.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_32_47-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x98.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This turns out to be more than average DNA for 2nd cousins to share:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_33_42-Shared-cM-Project-v4-Autosomal-DNA-statistics-ISOGG-Wiki.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21013\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_33_42-Shared-cM-Project-v4-Autosomal-DNA-statistics-ISOGG-Wiki.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"326\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_33_42-Shared-cM-Project-v4-Autosomal-DNA-statistics-ISOGG-Wiki.png 326w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/2022-09-29-18_33_42-Shared-cM-Project-v4-Autosomal-DNA-statistics-ISOGG-Wiki-300x184.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 326px) 100vw, 326px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This study shows that 229 cM would be average.<\/p>\n<h3>Normunds and Gladys Rathfelder<\/h3>\n<p>As Normands has as much or more Rathfelder DNA than his daughters and as my mother has more than her children, I&#8217;ll look at the match between Gladys and Normunds:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_10_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21016\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_10_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1112\" height=\"192\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_10_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 1112w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_10_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x52.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_10_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-1024x177.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_10_34-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x133.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Normally, I don&#8217;t paint my own first cousins&#8217; matches. This is because a first cousin normally just distinguishes between paternal and maternal side. However, for my mother, it looks like I painted hers:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_16_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21017\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_16_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"760\" height=\"959\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_16_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 760w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_16_39-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-238x300.png 238w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here the blue color is Rathfelder\/Gangnus (1st cousins). This is just my mom&#8217;s paternal Rathfelder side. Also I usually have a lighter color for closer relatives, so the more distant, darker color relatives can shine through. My mom is currently at 40% painted on her paternal side and 35% painted overall. Let&#8217;s see if Normunds makes a difference.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_25_18-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21018\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_25_18-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"753\" height=\"961\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_25_18-.png 753w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_25_18--235x300.png 235w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here I changed Rathfelder\/Gangnus DNA to a more subtle yellow. This got my mom painted up to 44% on her paternal side and 37% painted overall.<\/p>\n<p>Normunds adds some new DNA to my mother&#8217;s profile on Chromosome 1:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_35_20-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21019\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_35_20-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"742\" height=\"193\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_35_20-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 742w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_35_20-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-300x78.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>On Chomosome 2, Normunds overlaps with Angelina. I am not sure of her ancestry, but from her DNA, it is clear that she had ancestors from Latvia::<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_37_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21020\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_37_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"748\" height=\"313\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_37_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 748w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_37_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-300x126.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>On Chromosome 7, Normunds has an overlap with Rudi:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_40_44-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21021\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_40_44-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"496\" height=\"247\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_40_44-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 496w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_40_44-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-300x149.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 496px) 100vw, 496px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Rudi has ancestry going back to 1723.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_43_36-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21022\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_43_36-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"876\" height=\"381\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_43_36-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 876w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_43_36-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x130.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_43_36-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-768x334.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, when I check MyHeritage, there are other possible relationships to Rudi. This one is called Theory 1:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_56_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21023\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_56_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"701\" height=\"710\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_56_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 701w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_56_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-296x300.png 296w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-21_56_52-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-100x100.png 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 701px) 100vw, 701px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This relationship would be on my mother&#8217;s paternal grandfather&#8217;s side, whereas the previous relationship would be on my mother&#8217;s\u00a0 paternal gramdmother&#8217;s side.\u00a0 Plus, I don&#8217;t know if I have checked out these different relationships. Altogether, MyHeritage has 4 Theories. It would be beyond the scope of this Blog to check them all out. The bottom line is that I thought that the match with Rudi on Chromosome 7 would give me more definition as to where the match that my mom had with Nornunds came from. However, in this case, due to intermarriage in the Colony of Hirschenhof, it is not clear.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps Normunds match with my mom on Chromosome 17 will tell us something:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_07_49-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21024\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_07_49-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"565\" height=\"159\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_07_49-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 565w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_07_49-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-300x84.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 565px) 100vw, 565px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Normunds has a partial overlap with Astrid and a complete overlap with Otis. This is giving a mixed message perhaps also:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_13_39-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21025\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_13_39-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"827\" height=\"247\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_13_39-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 827w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_13_39-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x90.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_13_39-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-768x229.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Otis&#8217; ancesetry goes back to Schwechheimer (1772) and Gangnus (1780). Astrid goes back to Rathfelder and Biedenbender. Otis has uploaded his DNA results to Gedmatch. If Normunds uploads his results there, perhaps this will reveal something.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, Astrid shows triangulation with my mom and Normunds at MyHeritage on Chromosomes 17 and 19:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_22_18-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21026\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_22_18-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"418\" height=\"308\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_22_18-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 418w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_22_18-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x221.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 418px) 100vw, 418px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Triangulation means that these people all match each other. That means that I would tend to think that the DNA matches between the three of us represent DNA from Johann Jerg Rathfelder born 1752 and his wife Juliana Biedenbender born 1755. Here is Gladys&#8217; DNA profile on Chromosome 19:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_39_22-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21047\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_39_22-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"546\" height=\"135\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_39_22-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 546w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_39_22-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-300x74.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 546px) 100vw, 546px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h4>Astrid&#8217;s Genealogy<\/h4>\n<p>In order to sort this all out, I will need to take a closer look at Astrid&#8217;s genealogy. Here is what MyHeritage shows:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_30_28-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21027\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_30_28-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"394\" height=\"235\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_30_28-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 394w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_30_28-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x179.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 394px) 100vw, 394px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Ancestry shows this relationship, which I have assumed was right:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_35_17-Relationship-to-A.E..png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21028\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_35_17-Relationship-to-A.E..png\" alt=\"\" width=\"546\" height=\"701\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_35_17-Relationship-to-A.E..png 546w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-02-22_35_17-Relationship-to-A.E.-234x300.png 234w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 546px) 100vw, 546px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The W Rathfelder is Wilhemina Rathfelder. As I recall in other research, there was more than one Wilhemena Rathfelder. I think that the custom was to name the godchild after the godparent, so that may be the source of the duplicate names. Another confusing thing is that Hans Jerg had two children named Johann Georg:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_44_36-.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21048\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_44_36-.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"743\" height=\"961\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_44_36-.png 743w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_44_36--232x300.png 232w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>These two Johann Georg&#8217;s were born about 15 years apart. That in formation was from this publication:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_55_31-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21049\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_55_31-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"530\" height=\"284\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_55_31-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge.png 530w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-07_55_31-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge-300x161.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 530px) 100vw, 530px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Based on the underlining, the first Johann went by Johann and the second went by Georg. The father Hans Jerg was also a Johann Georg.<\/p>\n<h4>Checking Astrid&#8217;s Tree<\/h4>\n<p>The best way to check Astrid&#8217;s tree is to build my own tree for her. Astrid has that her mother was baptized here:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-08_31_09-Irmgard-Caroline-Alexandra-Spengel-Facts.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21050\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-08_31_09-Irmgard-Caroline-Alexandra-Spengel-Facts.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"236\" height=\"106\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At the Raduraksti website, I see this Church:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-08_32_21-Churches.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21051\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-08_32_21-Churches.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"597\" height=\"163\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-08_32_21-Churches.png 597w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-06-08_32_21-Churches-300x82.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 597px) 100vw, 597px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At this site, I found some information on the Spengle family, but I didn&#8217;t see Astrid&#8217;s mother or grandmother:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-07-09_26_25-19th-century-1939-Ds-German-Sk-Sw.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21053\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-07-09_26_25-19th-century-1939-Ds-German-Sk-Sw.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"659\" height=\"420\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-07-09_26_25-19th-century-1939-Ds-German-Sk-Sw.png 659w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-07-09_26_25-19th-century-1939-Ds-German-Sk-Sw-300x191.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 659px) 100vw, 659px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This would take a long time to check, so I&#8217;ll just assume the connection is right. My suspicion is that there are other connections than just the obvious ones.<\/p>\n<h2>Normunds, Gladys and Eva<\/h2>\n<p>I wrote a Blog about Eva <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/06\/06\/connecting-eva-to-the-rathfelder-tree\/\">here<\/a>. She is my third cousin. Here is where Normunds, Gladys and Eva triangulate on Chromosome 1:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_31_45-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21055\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_31_45-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"886\" height=\"469\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_31_45-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 886w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_31_45-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x159.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_31_45-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x407.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The theory is that shared amount of DNA comes from either Johann Rathfelder or Rosine Schwechheimer:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_34_04-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21056\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_34_04-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"864\" height=\"486\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_34_04-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png 864w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_34_04-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-300x169.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-10-17_34_04-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-768x432.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In that Blog about Eva, I mentioned this family chart:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-06-05-19_25_06-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21057\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-06-05-19_25_06-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"981\" height=\"820\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-06-05-19_25_06-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1.png 981w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-06-05-19_25_06-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1-300x251.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-06-05-19_25_06-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1-768x642.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Did My Great-Grandmother Have a Second Husband Who Ran Away?<\/h3>\n<p>The Gustav Rathfelder family lived in Riga and attended St. Paul&#8217;s Lutheran Church. I wonder if the +1918 means that my great-grandfather Heinrich died in 1918. I have that he died before 1921. I put this image out to the Latvian Genealogy Facebook page and got these two responses:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em>&#8220;Abgang&#8221; is essentially departure &#8212; e.g. the +1918 means that Heinrich died in 1918 (and therefore &#8220;departed from&#8221; the church congregation). I&#8217;ll try to take another look at the rest later.<\/em><\/p>\n<div class=\"xdj266r x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs\">\n<div dir=\"auto\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><em>The note next to Marie&#8217;s name (above the +1918) says, &#8220;married to a Kroeger, missing&#8221;. Her husband (first husband? second husband?) is presumably the one who&#8217;s missing.<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xtlvy1s\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\n<div dir=\"auto\"><em>The fact that one of Gustav&#8217;s sons is also named Heinrich doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean\u00a0that he was named after Heinrich, though it&#8217;s possible. It was a pretty common name, and names often appeared multiple times in the same family without being namesakes in the sense that we&#8217;d think of it.<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>It sounds like Maria Gangnus Rathfelder had a second husband which would make sense if the first one died. He apparently deserted her if I understand the record correctly.<\/p>\n<p>Concerning the comment on naming, I have seen that a child often had the same name as the Godparent. Here is the birth record for Robert Nicolai:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-11-20_30_01-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21059\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-11-20_30_01-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1275\" height=\"566\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-11-20_30_01-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909.png 1275w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-11-20_30_01-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-300x133.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-11-20_30_01-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-1024x455.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-11-20_30_01-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-768x341.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I take #1 above to be the godfather, Nicolai Rathfelder. Further, I believe him to be Johann Philip Nicolai Rathfelder born 1874 to my great-grandfather Heinrich Rathfelder.<\/p>\n<p>Here is a photo of Marie. I assume that it is during Christmas and that she is with some of her relatives:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/rathfelder-christmas.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21061\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/rathfelder-christmas.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"778\" height=\"485\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/rathfelder-christmas.jpg 778w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/rathfelder-christmas-300x187.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/rathfelder-christmas-768x479.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Marie is second from the left. She was born in 1856, so she would be quite old here.<\/p>\n<h2>Gladys, Normunds and Peter<\/h2>\n<p>These three people also triangulate at MyHeritage. That means that they all have common ancestors:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_23_21-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21063\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_23_21-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"805\" height=\"869\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_23_21-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 805w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_23_21-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-278x300.png 278w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_23_21-Chromosome-Browser-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-768x829.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This triangulation happens on Chromosomes 7 and 18. Here is my mom&#8217;s DNA profile for those two areas:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_26_45-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21064\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_26_45-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"663\" height=\"827\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_26_45-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 663w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_26_45-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-241x300.png 241w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 663px) 100vw, 663px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>These two areas represent ambiguous genealogies. Remember Rudi had about 4 ways that he could match. Also Silvia and Patrick could match on two different lines.<\/p>\n<h3>Peter&#8217;s Genealogy<\/h3>\n<p>MyHeritage shows this:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_29_30-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21065\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_29_30-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"444\" height=\"256\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_29_30-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 444w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_29_30-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x173.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 444px) 100vw, 444px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I can try to build a tree to see if I can get any further. I&#8217;ll start out on the paternal side. This marriage record is helpful:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_35_02-Oleg-Lomtevas-Hints.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21066\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_35_02-Oleg-Lomtevas-Hints.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"813\" height=\"627\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_35_02-Oleg-Lomtevas-Hints.png 813w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_35_02-Oleg-Lomtevas-Hints-300x231.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_35_02-Oleg-Lomtevas-Hints-768x592.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, this has Oleg&#8217;s mother as Emilie Grassman rather than Berta. Social Security has this information:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_42_33-Emilie-Grassman-Hints.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21067\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_42_33-Emilie-Grassman-Hints.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"294\" height=\"367\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_42_33-Emilie-Grassman-Hints.png 294w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_42_33-Emilie-Grassman-Hints-240x300.png 240w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 294px) 100vw, 294px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It seems like Oleg has a sister Vera. Find a Grave has more on Emilia:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_44_46-Emilie-Grassman-Hints.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21068\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_44_46-Emilie-Grassman-Hints.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"251\" height=\"449\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_44_46-Emilie-Grassman-Hints.png 251w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_44_46-Emilie-Grassman-Hints-168x300.png 168w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 251px) 100vw, 251px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>My tree so far:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_46_25-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21069\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_46_25-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"278\" height=\"180\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here we see that Emelia was born in Riga:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_47_46-Ancestry.com-Pennsylvania-U.S.-Death-Certificates-1906-1968.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21070\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_47_46-Ancestry.com-Pennsylvania-U.S.-Death-Certificates-1906-1968.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"903\" height=\"635\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_47_46-Ancestry.com-Pennsylvania-U.S.-Death-Certificates-1906-1968.png 903w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_47_46-Ancestry.com-Pennsylvania-U.S.-Death-Certificates-1906-1968-300x211.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-08_47_46-Ancestry.com-Pennsylvania-U.S.-Death-Certificates-1906-1968-768x540.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This could be the connection that I was looking for.\u00a0 This is likely Emilie traveling from Lithuania to New York in 1955:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_08_20-Free-Access_-Africa-Asia-and-Europe-Passenger-Lists-of-Displaced-Persons-1946.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21071\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_08_20-Free-Access_-Africa-Asia-and-Europe-Passenger-Lists-of-Displaced-Persons-1946.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1492\" height=\"452\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_08_20-Free-Access_-Africa-Asia-and-Europe-Passenger-Lists-of-Displaced-Persons-1946.png 1492w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_08_20-Free-Access_-Africa-Asia-and-Europe-Passenger-Lists-of-Displaced-Persons-1946-300x91.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_08_20-Free-Access_-Africa-Asia-and-Europe-Passenger-Lists-of-Displaced-Persons-1946-1024x310.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_08_20-Free-Access_-Africa-Asia-and-Europe-Passenger-Lists-of-Displaced-Persons-1946-768x233.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s as far as I can get now. The connection appears to be with Emilie Grossman or Grassman. One tree at Ancestry has her parents:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_26_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21072\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_26_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"316\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_26_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_.png 316w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-09_26_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_-300x221.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 316px) 100vw, 316px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2>Normunds, Gladys and Deborah<\/h2>\n<p>Perhaps I don&#8217;t know when to give up, but I&#8217;ll look at Deborah. These three triangualte on Chromosomes 1 and 9:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_05_09-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21074\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_05_09-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"976\" height=\"785\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_05_09-Window.png 976w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_05_09-Window-300x241.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_05_09-Window-768x618.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Deborah has a meager tree at MyHeritage:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_07_19-Window.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21075\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/2022-10-12-20_07_19-Window.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"210\" height=\"205\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It turns out that I already started a tree for Deborah. However, I couldn&#8217;t easily find anything new. Aparently Brigitta was born in Riga.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>I was happy to find out about another branch of Rathfelder relatives in Latvia through DNA matching.<\/li>\n<li>Normunds is my mother&#8217;s first cousin once removed.<\/li>\n<li>I was able to &#8216;paint&#8217; Normunds on to my DNA profile as well as my mother&#8217;s. It would be possible to add him also to my siblings&#8217; profiles<\/li>\n<li>In some cases, due to matches with more distant relatives, it is possible to tell where certain portions of DNA matches between my mother and Normunds come from<\/li>\n<li>In other cases, it is difficult to tell for certain to intermarriage in the Colony of Hirschenhof where the Rathfelders and their ancestors lived long ago.<\/li>\n<li>I looked at some common matches that Normunds and my mother Gladys have at MyHeritage<\/li>\n<li>I relooked at the match of Eva. I found the family record kept by the Lutheran Church for Eva&#8217;s great-grandparents. He great-grandfather was the younger brother of my great-grandfather. This record gave the death date for my great-grandfather Heinrich Rathfelder. It also suggests that my great-grandmother remarried a Kroeger who went missing.<\/li>\n<li>It appears that there could be more research of the DNA and genealogy to pull these families together.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was pleasantly surprised recently to get three rather close DNA matches to myself and my family on my mother&#8217;s side. The three Latvian matches are Normunds, Elina and Zanda. Normunds is the father and Elina and Zanda are the daughters. These three matches are on my Rathfelder side. Adding the New Matches to My &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/10\/13\/three-new-latvian-matches-at-myheritage\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Three New Latvian Matches at MyHeritage&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,46,16,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21001","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-dna-painter","category-rathfelder","category-rathfelderlentznicholson-dna"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21001","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=21001"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21001\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":21076,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21001\/revisions\/21076"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=21001"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=21001"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=21001"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}