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<\/a><\/p>\nI blurred out some information at the bottom left. John is the last John bottom left. John was a bit confused as to how the tree fit together. I told him that the right of side of his chart should go up to James brother of Archibald. John has his line coming from the John Frazer Line at the top of the chart. I think that he should be coming from the Archibald Line. I have that Archibald married Ann Stinson and John has a 2nd great grandfather Alexander Stenson Frazer.<\/p>\n
I sent John a copy of my Frazer Genealogy\/DNA tree. That tree has Frazers who have had their DNA tested.<\/p>\n
John thought that he might fit in on the left hand side of my chart, but I think that he should be in the Stinson section. That would be the bright green line.<\/p>\n Here is where John fits in on my Frazer Web Page:<\/p>\n John’s ancestor is Edward Lillie born 1854 at the bottom of the image above.<\/p>\n Here is Edward Lillie in 1891:<\/p>\n He is now in North Leeds married to Adelaide Cooper. Edgar H. Frazer is in this Census. He is next in line in John’s genealogy. Here is how I make the connection:<\/p>\n The good news is that John has sent me photos. These always liven up a dry Blog on genealogy. Here is Edgar Hamilton:<\/p>\n <\/p>\n John says this is :<\/p>\n Edgar Hamilton Frazer leaving Buckingham Palace with his wife Margaret Frazer (n\u00e9e Dale) dated 1932 having been awarded an OBE<\/em><\/p>\n I have that Edgar was born about 1885, so that would make im about 47 in the photo.\u00a0 Here is Edgar’s wedding record from 1912:<\/p>\n The woman in the photo above must be Margaret Dale.<\/p>\n <\/p>\n He was the younger brother of Frazer researcher’s Doug’s ancestor Archibald of Shanvoley:<\/p>\n Looking at these photos, I would have a hard time saying that these two were not brothers. As older brother, Archibald would have stayed on the ancestral lands in Ireland and the younger brother Edward sought his fortune in England. Here is Shanvoley in North Roscommon where Archibald and Edward were born:<\/p>\n My ancestors would have known them as they lived in Derrycaster to the Northeast of Shanvoley. This map shows the boundaries between the two Townlands:<\/p>\n <\/p>\n I believe that my ancestor James Frazer lived on parcel 12 and leased other lands nearby.<\/p>\n Here is how some of these Frazer lines fit together:<\/p>\n I am a 6th cousin to Doug. John is one generation up so we are 5th cousins once removed. However, John’s ancestor Alexander Stinson Frazer and my ancestor James Frazer were first cousins.<\/p>\n The above chart is based on Frazer descendants who have taken an autosomal DNA test. Five Frazer men have also taken the BigY DNA test. This test is a male only test and test the DNA that was passed only from father to son. That makes it a good test for a surname studay such as Frazer. Here is how the Frazer YDNA tree looks like so far:<\/p>\n There are currently about 59,000 branches of the male line identified and Frazer have three of those 59,000 branches. These branches form better in pairs. The general Frazer haplogroup is FT421618. I had a cousin Paul test and R-Y85652 defines the James Line of the Archibald side of the tree. Rodney and Jonathan tested on the James Line side and found out that at least the Thomas Henry Branch of the Frazer Line was named R-Y151390. If John were to test or someone else on the Archibald side, they may end up naming another Frazer Branch. This testing is important as it can clarify confusing genealogy at times. For example, I don’t have proof that my James Frazer ancestor had Philip as a father. In the Dingman side, we couldn’t be sure if Archibald’s father was John or Richard Frazer.<\/p>\n Here is the third photo that John sent me:<\/p>\n This is Alexander Stinson Frazer born in 1806. My understanding is that Alexander Stinson Frazer made his way to England before his death. I believe that this is Alexander’s burial record:<\/p>\n Here is the Census for Edgbaston in 1881:<\/p>\n Here we see Mary who was Alexander’s wife and some of her family – mostly born in Ireland. It is likely that one of Alexander’s children in England had his painting done.<\/p>\n This Alexander is important as he would be a brother or first cousin to many other Frazers who have many more descendants today. In my family he was first cousin to my ancestors James Frazer and Violet Frazer.<\/p>\n One Frazer researcher has posted a most interesting will at Ancestry. I will copy it below:<\/p>\n The transcript which follows is one of those documents most beloved by family historians. In it John Frazer, younger brother of Archibald Frazer one of my GG Grandfathers, gives details of most of his family and his extended family. Read on.<\/strong><\/p>\n This is the last will and testament of me John\u00a0Frazer<\/strong> of Stockfield Hall Tyseley in the parish of Yardley County of Worcester Manufacturer I direct payment of all my just debts funeral and testamentary expences as soon as convient after my desease I appoint James\u00a0Frazer <\/strong>of Stackfield hall aforesaid William\u00a0Frazer<\/strong> of Westley Brook Warwick Road Acocks Green in the County of Worcester manufacturer and Edward\u00a0Lilly\u00a0Frazer<\/strong> of 16 Spencer Place Roundhay Road Leeds (hereinfter called my trustees) to be the Executors and Trustees of this my will. I give to John Wesley Johnstone<\/strong> of Hay Mills in the parish of Yardley aforesaid a clerk in the employ of Frazer Bros Hay Mills aforesaid if he shall be in their empoly at the time of my decease the sum of twenty five pounds and I direct my trustees in case the said John\u00a0Wesley\u00a0Johnstone<\/strong> is not in the employ of the said Frazer Bros at the time of my decease to pay or withold the said legacy as they may think fit. I give all that residence known as Stockfield Hall in which I now reside to my brother James\u00a0Fraze<\/strong>r together with my share in the furnishing of same and my private and personal bellongins. I devise and bequeath all my real and personal Estate not otherwise disposed of unto my trustees upon trust that my trustees shall sell (or value) call in and convert unto money the same or such part thereof as shall not consist of money and shall invest the same in the business of Frazer Bros or such other investment as my trustees shall think desirable upon the following trusts viz 1. As to six hundred pounds in trust to pay same to Maria\u00a0Anne\u00a0Donohoe <\/strong>of Buffalo New York in the United States of America Daughter of my sister Eliza<\/strong>. 2. As to six hundred pounds in trust to pay same to Samuel\u00a0Dowlex<\/strong> of Canada son of my sister Eliza<\/strong>. 3. As to six hundred pounds in trust to pay same to Mary\u00a0Martha\u00a0Hassard<\/strong> of Toronto Canada daughter of my sister Anne<\/strong>. 4. As to six hundred pounds in trust to pay same to Florence\u00a0Hassard <\/strong>Toronto Canada daughter of my sister Anne<\/strong> by installments of Two hundred pounds each but without interest at the expiration of five ten and fifteen years after the date of my decease. My trustees shall set aside yearly such part of the income as would be equal to interest at 2 1\/2 per cent per annum upon the whole ammount invested In trust to pay divide and distribute yearly out of such income 1. the sum of \u00a310 per annum to my sister Mary Ward<\/strong> of Worcester during her life 2. \u00a315 per annum for the first five years after my decease to Maria Annie Donohoe <\/strong>aforesaid, \u00a310 per annum for a further period of five years and \u00a35 per annum for a further period of five years 3. \u00a315 per annum for five years to Samuel Dowlex<\/strong> aforesaid \u00a310 per annum for a further period of five years and \u00a35 per annum for a third period of five years 4. \u00a315 per annum for five years to Mary Martha Hassard<\/strong> aforesaid \u00a310 per annum for a further period five years and \u00a35 per annum for a further period of five years 5.\u00a315 per annum for five years to Florence\u00a0Hassard<\/strong> aforsaid \u00a310 per annum for a further period of five years and \u00a35 per annum for a third period of five years 6. \u00a310 per annum for five years to the Trustees of the British and Foreign Bible Society, 146 Queen Victoria Street london. 7. \u00a310 per annum for five years to the Church of England Missionary Society, Salisbury Square, Fleet Street London. 8. \u00a310 per annum for five years to the Church Association of 14 Buckingham Street, Strand, London. And I give my trustees the power with reference to the shares of income and principal heretofore given to Maria Annie Donohoe<\/strong> and\u00a0Samuel\u00a0Dowlex<\/b> to withhold the share of income and principal payable to Maria\u00a0Annie\u00a0Donohoe<\/b> and to pay the same to Samuel\u00a0Dowlex<\/b> or vice versa at the discrection of any two of my said Trustees if circumstances seem to them to call for such a course to be adopted and as to the remainder of the interest at 2 <\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nMore on John’s Tree<\/h3>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nEdgar’s Father Edward Lillie Frazer<\/h4>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nFrazer DNA<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\nAlexander Stinson\/Stenson Frazer<\/h4>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nThe John Frazer Will<\/h2>\n
1\/2<\/span><\/code> <\/tt>per cent per annum to pay devide and distribute same every year between and amonst the following persons in equal shares 1. John\u00a0William\u00a0Frazer<\/b> of hay Mills aforesaid son of my Brother Archibald<\/b> 2. Edgar\u00a0Hamilton\u00a0Frazer<\/b> of Leeds son of my brother Edward<\/b>. 3. Alexander\u00a0Stenson\u00a0Frazer<\/b> of Leeds son of my brother Edward<\/b>. 4. Douglas\u00a0Villiers \u00a0Frazer<\/b> of Leeds, son of my brother Edward<\/b>. 5. Hector\u00a0Mc\u00a0Kenzie \u00a0Frazer<\/b> of leeds, son of my brother Edward<\/b>. 6. Vera\u00a0Adeliade\u00a0Lilian \u00a0Frazer<\/b> of leeds Daughter of my brother Edward<\/b>. And upon the death of any person entitled under this my will to a share of income as aforesaid leaving issue such issue shall be entitled to their deceased parents share of income. And in case their is no issue the share of such deceased person shall be divided equally amonst the remaining persons participating in the division of income as aforesaid. And I direct & empower my trustees (should they so desire) notwithstanding anything hereinbefore contained limiting the interests of any person participating under this my will to income only to pay to any one or all of the said participants any sum or sums from the said principal money invested as aforesaid and from the date of such payments to reduce the payment of income proportionately and as to the remainder of income in excess of the 2 1\/2<\/span><\/code>% per annum arising out of the principal moneys invested as aforesaid upon trust to pay the same to James\u00a0Frazer, William\u00a0Frazer, Edward\u00a0Lily\u00a0Frazer<\/b> and John\u00a0William\u00a0Frazer<\/b> in proportion to the amount of capital which each of them shall then have invested in the said business of Frazer Bros. And should any member of the firm of Frazer Bros (or after his death his Executors or trustees) withdraw in any one year from the business of the said firm any part of his capitol (besides his profits) in excess of 5% of the amount standing to his credit in the books of the said firm I direct my trustees at their discretion to withdraw from the amount invested by them as aforesaid with the said Frazer Bros an equal sum or at the discretion the whole amount they have invested with the said firm. In trust to reinvest the same and apply the income as aforesaid or in their discretion to distribute the principal money in discharge of their trust and I expressly declare that any member of Frazer Bros who may withdraw such amount as aforesaid without the consent of a majority of the other partners of the firm they and their descendants shall be excluded from any benifit whatever under this my will and I further declare that in case any person interested under this my will shall take precedings to set aside this will or shall commence any action against the trustees (except to recover any ammount due to him under the terms of this my will) or shall instruct any procedings whatever for the purpose of having the intention and construction of this will defined by a court of law they and their descendants shall be excluded from any benifit whatever hereunto in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand to this my will contained in this and the two proceeding sheets of paper this 13th day of November One thousand nine hundred and two.<\/p>\n