{"id":20426,"date":"2022-06-13T21:12:42","date_gmt":"2022-06-13T21:12:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=20426"},"modified":"2022-06-13T21:12:42","modified_gmt":"2022-06-13T21:12:42","slug":"my-moms-dna-and-genealogical-connection-to-katja","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/06\/13\/my-moms-dna-and-genealogical-connection-to-katja\/","title":{"rendered":"My Mom&#8217;s DNA and Genealogical Connection to Katja"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve noticed lately that Ancestry has some helpfull Latvian records. So I have been looking through some of my mom&#8217;s Latvian DNA matches to see if I can find out how we are connected.<\/p>\n<h2>Katja at MyHeritage<\/h2>\n<p>MyHeritage seems to be a good place to find Latvian DNA matches. Katja also has a Theory of Relativity with my mom, but I don&#8217;t think that it is right:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_06_27-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20427\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_06_27-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"686\" height=\"664\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_06_27-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 686w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_06_27-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x290.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 686px) 100vw, 686px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I have a different genealogy for my mother:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_08_50-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20428\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_08_50-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1001\" height=\"351\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_08_50-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 1001w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_08_50-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x105.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_08_50-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-768x269.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Besides, why would have a Pfief have a Biedermann for a daughter?<\/p>\n<p>Here is Katja&#8217;s tree at MyHeritage:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_14_39-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20445\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_14_39-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"596\" height=\"457\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_14_39-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 596w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_14_39-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x230.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 596px) 100vw, 596px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Katja is missing a maternal side and has additional Hirschenhof ancestry on her Lutz side.<\/p>\n<h2>Building a Tree for Katja<\/h2>\n<p>I will check out Katja&#8217;s genealogical tree by building a tree at Ancestry:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_27_59-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20430\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_27_59-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"590\" height=\"291\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_27_59-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 590w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_27_59-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x148.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 590px) 100vw, 590px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>When\u00a0 I entered Wilhelm Georg Lutz, Ancestry gave me hints for his parents. The hint for Wilhelm Georg is from this tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_42_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20431\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_42_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"645\" height=\"319\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_42_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_.png 645w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_42_20-Family-Trees-_-Ancestry.com_-300x148.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 645px) 100vw, 645px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I checked the records at Raduraksti for 1895, but those records appear to be in Russian. I&#8217;m not sure if the Ancestry suggestion is correct at this point.<\/p>\n<h3>Pauline Rathfelder<\/h3>\n<p>Next, I will check on Pauline. Here is a record &#8211; perhaps baptismal?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20432\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1634\" height=\"341\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png 1634w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-300x63.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1024x214.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-768x160.png 768w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-13_59_53-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-1536x321.png 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Pauline and Emilie appear to be twins. I see Pauline&#8217;s mother&#8217;s maiden name as Mattheus, but I&#8217;m not sure. Here is the record transcription of their marriage:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_06_35-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20433\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_06_35-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"916\" height=\"298\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_06_35-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png 916w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_06_35-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-300x98.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_06_35-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-768x250.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_08_45-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20434\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_08_45-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"805\" height=\"297\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_08_45-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 805w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_08_45-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x111.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-14_08_45-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-768x283.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This Goerge Ludwig seems the right age to have Pauline in 1879:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_49_58-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20436\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_49_58-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"902\" height=\"514\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_49_58-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909.png 902w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_49_58-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-300x171.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_49_58-Ancestry.com-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-768x438.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Based on the DNA matches between Katja and my mother, I expect that the match is on more than one line:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_58_45-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20437\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_58_45-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"527\" height=\"524\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_58_45-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage.png 527w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_58_45-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-300x298.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_58_45-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-150x150.png 150w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-18_58_45-Review-DNA-Match-Hartley-Family-Site-23andMe-MyHeritage-100x100.png 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 527px) 100vw, 527px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sometimes many small matches mean more than one pair of common ancestors going back. So likely, some of the DNA matches represented above are from Lutke and some from Rathfelder- or perhaps even other surname.<\/p>\n<h4>A Common Rathfelder Ancestor for Katja and My Mom?<\/h4>\n<p>It turns out that I already have a Georg Adam Rathfelder in my Ancestry Tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_46_48-Family-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20439\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_46_48-Family-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1304\" height=\"672\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_46_48-Family-View-Ancestry.com_.png 1304w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_46_48-Family-View-Ancestry.com_-300x155.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_46_48-Family-View-Ancestry.com_-1024x528.png 1024w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_46_48-Family-View-Ancestry.com_-768x396.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>However, this Georg was born in 1798:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_06_06-Georg-Adam-Rathfelder-Facts.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20441\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_06_06-Georg-Adam-Rathfelder-Facts.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"692\" height=\"337\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_06_06-Georg-Adam-Rathfelder-Facts.png 692w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_06_06-Georg-Adam-Rathfelder-Facts-300x146.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 692px) 100vw, 692px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I also see another marriage for a Georg Adam Rathfelder:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_08_02-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20442\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_08_02-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"604\" height=\"193\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_08_02-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png 604w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_08_02-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-300x96.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 604px) 100vw, 604px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This marriage was in 1818. So this Georg Adam could have re-married in 1839 or had a son Georg Adam who married in 1839. Fortunately, I have a paper which seems to help:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_15_29-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20443\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_15_29-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"517\" height=\"644\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_15_29-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge.png 517w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_15_29-400JahrRathfelder.pdf-Personal-Microsoft\u200b-Edge-241x300.png 241w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 517px) 100vw, 517px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>According to this paper, Georg Adam was actually the son of Johannes Rathfelder born in 1796 I think I&#8217;ll go with this paper.<\/p>\n<p>Here is what I have so far:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_50_38-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20440\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_50_38-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"977\" height=\"653\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_50_38-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png 977w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_50_38-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-300x201.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-20_50_38-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-768x513.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The Johannes in Line A above was the son of Johann Adam Rathfelder and Anna Catharina Elisabeth Rothweiler. I have Johannes in my tree already:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_54_22-Family-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20444\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_54_22-Family-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"469\" height=\"506\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_54_22-Family-View-Ancestry.com_.png 469w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-21_54_22-Family-View-Ancestry.com_-278x300.png 278w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 469px) 100vw, 469px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>That should be enough to add Katjia to my Rathfelder DNA match tree:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_25_03-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20446\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_25_03-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"727\" height=\"709\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_25_03-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel.png 727w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-09-22_25_03-Moms-Ancestry-Testing-Chart-Excel-300x293.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 727px) 100vw, 727px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Katja is my mother&#8217;s 4th cousin twice removed on the Rathfelder side.<\/p>\n<h2>Back to the Lutz Connection<\/h2>\n<p>Here were the hints for Katja&#8217;s ancestors from Ancestry:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_15_02-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20448\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_15_02-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"207\" height=\"149\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It seems like two possibilities here:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_20_01-Gottlieb-Lutz-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20449\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_20_01-Gottlieb-Lutz-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"573\" height=\"489\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_20_01-Gottlieb-Lutz-Ancestry.com_.png 573w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_20_01-Gottlieb-Lutz-Ancestry.com_-300x256.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 573px) 100vw, 573px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I see a Gottlieb Hermann and a Gottlieb Otto. Here is a third more likely candidate:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_24_48-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20450\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_24_48-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"826\" height=\"111\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_24_48-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_.png 826w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_24_48-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-300x40.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-10-08_24_48-Latvia-Births-Marriages-and-Deaths-1854-1909-Ancestry.com_-768x103.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Here is a Peter Gottlieb Lutz who married Elisabeth Hauk (maiden name Herman).<\/p>\n<h2>Katja&#8217;s Family Tree<\/h2>\n<p>I have this so far on Katja&#8217;s paternal side:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_14_57-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20452\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_14_57-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1001\" height=\"427\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_14_57-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_.png 1001w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_14_57-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-300x128.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_14_57-Pedigree-View-Ancestry.com_-768x328.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 767px) 89vw, (max-width: 1000px) 54vw, (max-width: 1071px) 543px, 580px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It would take a while to build all the other lines out as far as Hans Jerg Rathfelder and his Bittenbinder wife.<\/p>\n<h2>Painting Katja&#8217;s DNA Matches to My Mom&#8217;s Profile<\/h2>\n<p>Here is what I have so far for my mom:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_19_11-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20453\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_19_11-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"541\" height=\"829\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_19_11-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 541w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_19_11-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-196x300.png 196w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 541px) 100vw, 541px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The first line for each chromosome represents my mom&#8217;s paternal matches. The Rathfelder\/Bittenbinder DNA matches are in red. As I intimated earlier, Katja&#8217;s matches with my mom are probably not all from Rathfelder and Bittenbinder due to the nature of where this family lived. They were in a German Colony and married among their own which means that intermarriage of families normally took place.<\/p>\n<p>My mom is 35% painted overall and 40% painted on her paternal side.<\/p>\n<p>By default, DNAPainter adds matches of 7 cM and over. Here are my mom&#8217;s paternala matches with Katja added:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_25_34-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20454\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_25_34-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"512\" height=\"910\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_25_34-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 512w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_25_34-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-169x300.png 169w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 512px) 100vw, 512px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Katja matches my mom on Chromosome 4 at 6.7 cM, so that match did not get added. Here are Katja&#8217;s specific matches with my mom:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_28_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-20455\" src=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_28_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"545\" height=\"544\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_28_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys.png 545w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_28_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-300x300.png 300w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_28_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-150x150.png 150w, http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/2022-06-11-07_28_14-DNA-Painter-_-Profile-Gladys-100x100.png 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 545px) 100vw, 545px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There is no overlap with the matches Astrid has. Astrid and my mom also have Rathfelder and Bittenbinder common ancestors.<\/p>\n<h2>Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Katja matches my mom at Ancestry and has a Rathfelder in her tree<\/li>\n<li>I was able to find Katja and my mom&#8217;s common Rathfelder and Bittendbinder ancestors<\/li>\n<li>Katja and my mom probably match on other ancestral lines<\/li>\n<li>I painted the DNA matches Katja has with my mom on my mom&#8217;s profile. Those matches were painted to Rathfelder and Bittenbinder even though they may represent other common ancestors.<\/li>\n<li>Without a published document that explains some of the complicated Rathfelder relationships in Hirschenhof, it would have been very difficult to figure out the Rathfelder\/Bittenbinder common ancestors that my Mom and Katja have.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve noticed lately that Ancestry has some helpfull Latvian records. So I have been looking through some of my mom&#8217;s Latvian DNA matches to see if I can find out how we are connected. Katja at MyHeritage MyHeritage seems to be a good place to find Latvian DNA matches. Katja also has a Theory of &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2022\/06\/13\/my-moms-dna-and-genealogical-connection-to-katja\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;My Mom&#8217;s DNA and Genealogical Connection to Katja&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,46,16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-20426","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-heading","category-dna-painter","category-rathfelder"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20426","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=20426"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20426\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":20457,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/20426\/revisions\/20457"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=20426"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=20426"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=20426"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}