{"id":16887,"date":"2021-03-16T21:26:24","date_gmt":"2021-03-16T21:26:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=16887"},"modified":"2021-03-18T12:06:23","modified_gmt":"2021-03-18T12:06:23","slug":"checking-the-new-online-mayflower-descendants-database-for-my-mayflower-ancestors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2021\/03\/16\/checking-the-new-online-mayflower-descendants-database-for-my-mayflower-ancestors\/","title":{"rendered":"Checking the New Online Mayflower Descendants Database for My Mayflower Ancestors"},"content":{"rendered":"

In at least one of my previous Blogs<\/a>, I have looked at the Mayflower Database that Familysearch has. These previous Blogs mostly have to do with my Mayflower Descendants Application through William White.<\/p>\n

William White<\/h2>\n

My previous look at William White in the Mayflower database brought me down to my father’s Aunt Annie Louisa Hartley:<\/p>\n

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That lead me to believe that one of their offspring had applied for the Mayflower Descendants. It also lead me to believe that they had applied under William White, because the Mayflower database lead down to them from William White. I don’t know if I assumed correctly. My thought today was to check on my other Mayflower ancestors and to see where their descencants lead.<\/p>\n

Governor William Bradford<\/h2>\n

This ancestor is one of great interest to me. He was an ancestor of Hannah Thomas Bradford and Harvey Bradfor above. The reason I didn’t apply for membership under Bradford was that the trail back from Harvey Bradford and records were not as available. Here are Harvey’s Bradford ancestors based on my Ancestry Tree:<\/p>\n

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Governor Bradford was Harvey’s 4th great-grandfather. Here is the Mayflower database:<\/p>\n

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I don’t have all the children of the William Bradford in the arrow showing below:<\/p>\n

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However, I follow down from Josiah to Samuel Bradford. From there I get back to Hartley and Snell:<\/p>\n

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James Hartley and Annie Louisa Snell were my great-grandparents. That gets back to the same couple I had descending from William White:<\/p>\n

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I don’t know if that means that someone in the Gurney family applied under Bradford as well as White or that the Mayflower Society makes their own connections. I assume that it is the former. Apparently my more distant Snell relative applied for the Mayflower Society under William Bradford:<\/p>\n

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Actually, when I take the family down from William White through Harvey Bradford, I get the same image as above, so the database is likely showing all those who applied and who descend from Harvey Bradford.<\/p>\n

Elder William Brewster<\/h2>\n

I descend from Brewster two different ways. The first way gets me back to Bradford fairly quickly.\u00a0 The second takes a longer route:<\/p>\n

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Here I started with Love Brewster, the son of William Brewster on the right side of the image above. That route only goes through one Bradford – Sarah.<\/p>\n

Interestingly, the Mayflower database has a dead end at Rebecca Bartlett:<\/p>\n

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It also has her born a different date and married to a different person than I have in my tree. So perhaps my tree is wrong.<\/p>\n

Checking My Tree<\/h3>\n

I’ll start with Churchill and Barnes and go back:<\/p>\n

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Page 182 of the silver Mayflower Families on Bradford has Hannah Barns born 1717 married to Stephen Churchill born also 1717. So far so good. Page 50 of the same book has Sarah Bradford born about 1686 married to Jonathan Barnes born 1684. At this Point it would make sense to switch to the silver Mayflower Book on Brewster. Page 354 has Sarah Bradford born before 18 December 1686 and married to Jonathan Barnes.<\/p>\n

Reading up more on Rebecca Barlett on Page 348 of the silver Mayflower Brewster Book, I see that Rebecaa Bartlett married first William Bradford, second Robert Stanford and third Caleb Samson.<\/p>\n

When I click on Rebecca Bartlett in the Mayflower database, I get this:<\/p>\n

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This shows her three marriages, but the database tree shows a dead end at Rebecca Bartlett. I am not sure how to interpret this. I assume that no one has applied for membership to the Mayflower Society based on Brewster through descendants of Rebecca Bartlett. However, I am glad to know that my tree is correct. Or, this may be a glitch in the Mayflower database.<\/p>\n

When I click on the hyperlink for Husband William Bradford above, I get this:<\/p>\n

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This shows a disconnect from my tree. I have that in the first column, there should be a Lucy Chuchill born 1767. She should be at the top of the list in the first column. Again, I don’t know how to interpret the database. When I choose Harvey Bradford in the Mayflower database, I draw another blank at the point of Lucy Churchill:<\/p>\n

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This again makes me think that no one has applied to the Mayflower Society by this route of Brewster to Lucy Churchill. That being the case, the Society had no reason to check into the parentage of Lucy Churchill.<\/p>\n

Francis Cooke<\/h2>\n

As far as I know, I only descend from Francis Cooke in one way. My Hathaway ancestors have a Cooke as their ancestor. Like my Mayflower White ancestry, my Cooke ancestry is through Harvey Bradford’s wife, Wealthy Hathaway:<\/p>\n

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Francis is the father of John Cooke. I’ll show this in two parts;<\/p>\n

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Here is the early part of the Mayflower Database version:<\/p>\n

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I descend from the John Hathaway at the top left. I have an early dead end on the Cooke Line also. The Mayflower Database appears to stop at my ancestor John Hathaway born 1653:<\/p>\n

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The Mayflower Database shows 11 of John Hathaway’s children by his first wife (not all shown above). The silver Cooke Mayflower book shows that John had 16 children including Arthur Hathaway born in 1690.<\/p>\n

Looking at Hathaway in the Mayflower Database from the Bottom Up<\/h3>\n

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Here I am drawing a blank with Joseph Hathaway. Again, my assumption is that no one below the Wealthy Hathawy level has applied to the Mayflower Descendants on the Cooke Line. This view also shows the missing parents of Lucy Churchill that I mentioned above.<\/p>\n

Richard Warren<\/h2>\n

Unlike Francis Cooke, I descend from Richard Warren on about 5 different lines in three different generations. That means that means that depending on the Line, Richard Warren could be 11, 12 or 13 generations away from me.<\/p>\n

My most unique Warren Line (that is, with the least other Mayflower ancestors) would be through Joseph Warren. That is the Line where I am only 11 generations from Richard Warren. On my Ancestry tree:<\/p>\n

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Here is the early part of my tree:<\/p>\n

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From the Mayflower Database:<\/p>\n

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Here are two more generations:<\/p>\n

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Then from Josiah Bradford, we get down to Harvey Bradford:<\/p>\n

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One interesting thing here is that there are three Bradford lines that carry down: Stephen Churchill, Ellen and Harvey Bradford. I assume these three lines have members in the Mayflower Society. However, when there are mulitple lines of descent, I’m not sure on which lines the descendants got their approval to join the Mayflower Descendants.<\/p>\n

My Wife’s Cousin Pat and the Richard Warren Line<\/h3>\n

I found out that my wife’s 1st cousin is applying to the Mayflower Society under the Richard Warren Line. This is on her paternal side where she is not related to my wife. I came up with this chart to see how I was related to Pat:<\/p>\n

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I am a 12th cousin, three times an 11th cousin once removed and a 10th cousin twice removed to Pat. Let’s see where Pat’s line is on the Mayflower Database:<\/p>\n

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For some reason, the database has John Churchill which is not correct. The silver Mayflower Book has John Church. Apparently, this family moved to Little Compton, Rhode Island. After that, Pat’s line goes to Edward and Hannah Church:<\/p>\n

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Apparently a descendant of Esther Church is in the Mayflower Society, but not other descendants of Hannah as the line appears to stop here for Pat.<\/p>\n

One More of My Richard Warren Lines<\/h3>\n

Now that I have charted my Warren Lines, I want to also check my first one:<\/p>\n

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This line does not appear to have other obvious Mayflower descendants in it. Actually, just Sarah Bradford.<\/p>\n

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Here the Database deviates from my tree. This is for the same reason as above where Rebecca Bartlett has multiple husbands. I can choose Rebecca Bartlett and get more information:<\/p>\n

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The is the same place I got stuck under Brewster above, and the results are the same. Interesting.<\/p>\n

Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n