{"id":16431,"date":"2021-02-01T22:47:53","date_gmt":"2021-02-01T22:47:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=16431"},"modified":"2021-02-01T22:47:53","modified_gmt":"2021-02-01T22:47:53","slug":"more-painting-of-my-wifes-dna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2021\/02\/01\/more-painting-of-my-wifes-dna\/","title":{"rendered":"More Painting of My Wife’s DNA"},"content":{"rendered":"

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I call this painting my wife’s DNA because I use a program called DNA Painter. But really, it is a DNA map of my wife’s identified DNA matches. Here is what I have so far for Marie:<\/p>\n

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The top row of every one of Marie’s chromosomes is what she got from her father and the bottom row is what she got from her mother. Likewise on the key to the bottom right of the image, the top part shows the shared paternal ancestors represented in different colors on Marie’s map. The bottom part of the key has Marie’s maternal ancestors represented as colors that she got from her DNA matches.<\/p>\n

Marie is About One Third Painted<\/h2>\n

Actually a little less:<\/p>\n

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Marie is actually doing the best as far as DNA matches go, on her paternal side:<\/p>\n

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Now that I think of it, that makes sense as there a lot of French Canadian matches on that side. That must mean that Marie is less painted on her maternal side:<\/p>\n

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Marie only has 57 DNA segments painted on her maternal side. My goal in this Blog is to get Marie’s numbers up somehow. It is not easy as there has to be a link to a common ancestor and they have to have had their DNA tested at a place that gives detailed DNA match information. AncestryDNA is the biggest tester and they don’t give detailed information on their DNA matches.<\/p>\n

Searching for More DNA Matches for Marie<\/h2>\n

The easiest place to search would be at MyHeritage. They have an option called Theories of Relativity where they match up DNA matches and common ancestors. One of the first matches I see at MyHeritage that I haven’t mapped yet is with Ivan:<\/p>\n

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Ivan has two paths to Marie and Ivan’s proposed common ancestors of Peter Upshall and Margaret Burton.<\/p>\n

Here is the DNA that Marie and Ivan share:<\/p>\n

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By default, I don’t think that DNA Painter will map Chromosome 11 as the match is 6.9 cM and DNA Painter has a 7.0 cutoff. That is sort of too bad because here is Marie’s Chromosome 11:<\/p>\n

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Marie’s matches with Esther, Anne and Edward are with ancestors on the Upshall side. But I don’t want to change the default either. Here is what the data looks like that will go into DNA Painter:<\/p>\n

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Unfortunately, Ivan’s areas of matches were already taken up with others for the most part. There was a small exception on Chromosome 1:<\/p>\n

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Here Ivan’s match with Marie in green was a little longer than Marie’s match with her half great Aunt Esther.<\/p>\n

Marie’s Theory with James<\/h2>\n

Here is what MyHeritage shows:<\/p>\n

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James Ellis and Marion (with variations) MacArthur (or McArthur) are Marie’s third great-grandparents. Marion MacArthur was James Ellis’ second wife:<\/p>\n

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I show Thomas Birch Ellis as James Heny Ellis’ brother so that is good.<\/p>\n

I’ll paint this match onto Marie’s map:<\/p>\n

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The parts of James’ DNA matches that were over 7 cM were on Chromosomes 1 and 2. They are in Ellis regions. There is no overlap, so they constitute new unmapped areas for Marie. This gets Marie up a percent overall from 31% to 32% mapped. On Marie’s Maternal side, she went from 24% to 25% mapped. Progress. I see that Marie also matches Stephen who may be James’ brother. However, Stephen does not appear to add any more DNA than James added.<\/p>\n

Marie and Glenys<\/h2>\n

Glenys shows as a third cousin to Marie:<\/p>\n

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MyHeritage has her descended from Alexander Upshall. The record I have for him says he died at a lunatic assylum:<\/p>\n

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Let’s map this match out using DNA Painter. DNA Painter gives a hint:<\/p>\n

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I’m not sure if this is helpful or not, but it seems like the bottom hint is right. Glenys’ matches with Marie on Chromosomes 9 and 11 are already taken up:<\/p>\n

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The match on Chromosome 22 is Marie’s first on her maternal side:<\/p>\n

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This small match is not enough to increase Marie’s percantages, but it helps.<\/p>\n

Keep Going with Marie’s DNA Match Caroline?<\/h2>\n

Caroline is supposed to match Marie on the LeFevre\/LeFebre Line:<\/p>\n

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The connection looks legit. LeFebvre is the older way of spelling LeFevre. Someone left out the b along the way. Hopefully the 1891 for the Charles in Caroline’s line isn’t for his birth as that would to make sense. 1841 would make more sense. At this point, I can either assume that Caroline has the right tree or check on it myself. As I’m feeling lazy today, I’ll just check the DNA to see if it is in the right vicinity.<\/p>\n

Turns out I already have Caroline mapped. Here is her bigger connection to Marie on Chromosome 12:<\/p>\n

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That match is solidly in LeFevre territory, so the connection is likely right.<\/p>\n

Marie and Alan<\/h2>\n

This time I’ll go right to the DNA:<\/p>\n

Alan overlaps other DNA Matches except for Chromosome 13:<\/p>\n

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Alan also adds a new French Canadian common ancestor to Marie’s DNA match who are Joseph Methot and Marguerite Anger.<\/p>\n

Marie and Edna<\/h2>\n

This could be a long Blog. I see that Marie has at least five pages of Theories of Relativity. Edna is Marie’s first Theory on Page 2.<\/p>\n

Edna adds some old Christopher Dicks DNA from 1784 on Chromosomes 1, 9 and 12. Here is the connection:<\/p>\n

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I’m not sure if Planter is the right last name for Margaret. One problem is a DNA overlap on the Ellis side at the end of Chromosome 1:<\/p>\n

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It could be that Edna’s small match with Marie there is a false positive.<\/p>\n

Marie and Marilyn<\/h2>\n

I think that I have been in touch with Marilyn before as I have done some work on the Dick’s Line:<\/p>\n

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Marilyn doesn’t add new DNA, but shows that the match Marie has with Esther and Anne goes further back than the 1870’s or 1812. I’m still trying to get Marie’s painted DNA up to 33% but I’m not there yet.<\/p>\n

Marie and Andre<\/h2>\n

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Now we are up the 5th cousin level for Marie. As you might expect, the match levels are smaller:<\/p>\n

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Andre adds a little DNA to Chromosome 15 at the end and gives older DNA bac to 1773 on the LeFevre Line. I’m still not up to 33% painted for Marie:<\/p>\n

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However, we have 200 segments painted.<\/p>\n

Marie and David<\/h2>\n

This match goes back to Gorrill:<\/p>\n

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As I don’t see this couple in my DNA Painter Key, this must be a non-painted match.<\/p>\n

David provided Marie’s first maternal mapped DNA match on Chromosome 14:<\/p>\n

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This match got Marie up to 1\/3 painted or 33% overall:<\/p>\n

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That got Marie from 25% to 27% painted on her maternal side.<\/p>\n

Reorganizing Marie’s Key<\/h2>\n

At this point, it would make sense to reorganize the Key in Marie’s DNA Painter Map. Right now I have a line separating Marie’s paternal and maternal matches. Marie’s four grandparents are Butler, LeFevre, Ellis and Upshall. I can organize Marie’s key that way. Unfortunately, I only see one Butler match right now.<\/p>\n

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The LeFevre matches I just organized by date.<\/p>\n

Marie’s Ellis and Upshall matches split out more evenly:<\/p>\n

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I see a mistake as I left Richard Gorrill up with the LeFevre’s.<\/p>\n

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Marie’s match with Robert on the Ellis Line<\/h2>\n

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Robert adds some new DNA on Chromosome 3 and gives corroborating evidence on Chromosome 4.<\/p>\n

Nathalie: A Fifth Cousin Match on the LeFevre Line<\/h2>\n

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I’ll paint in Nathalie’s DNA as I don’t want to take the time to check every tree:<\/p>\n

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Nathalie provides new DNA mapping for Marie on her Chromosomes 14 and 19. Now Marie is 40% mapped paternally:<\/p>\n

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Marie’s Progress Update<\/h2>\n

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Marie has DNA mapped on every chromosome. However, she is missing paternal DNA on Chromosome 5 and 17 and she is missing maternal DNA mapped on Chromosome 16.<\/p>\n

Marie and Charolette<\/h2>\n

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I am a little suspicious of this match as there may be a connection on Charolette’s MacArthur side also.<\/p>\n

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So whether Marie and Charolette connect on the William Ellis Line, MacArthur line or both is a fine point. This could be resolved possibly by further looking into Charolette’s ancestry. Marie is now 34% mapped or painted overall.<\/p>\n

Marie and Agnes<\/h2>\n

Marie and Agnes have several potential connections:<\/p>\n

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This is the closest theory, so I would go with this one. The other theories are further out:<\/p>\n

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I don’t show an Edward Rayner in my tree, but I do show that the John Rayner at the top of the tree was the son of Edward John Rayner, so it would make sense if he named a son after his father. Here is where Agnes sorts out on Marie’s map:<\/p>\n

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Marie and Barbara – Still at MyHeritage<\/h2>\n

I made a mistake with Barbara at DNA Painter. I put down that she descended from Ellis\/MacArthur:<\/p>\n

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She actually descends from Ellis\/Ramsay. That should be easy to fix in DNA Painter. I can edit Barbara in DNA Painter:<\/p>\n

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I thought that I had an entry for just James Ellis 1801, but I don’t. So I’ll create a new group.<\/p>\n

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I’m getting there, but it says that James Ellis is not a known ancestor. I need to change that. I go back to the edit section for Barbara and check the known ancestor box:<\/p>\n

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Barbara fills in some new areas on three chromosomes:<\/p>\n

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This is turniing out to be a long Blog, but I am getting a lot of mapping done.<\/p>\n

Marie and Gilles<\/h2>\n

As expected, Gilles matches Marie on her French Canadian side. This is on her Fortin\/Tremblay side where Nathalie matched earlier in the Blog:<\/p>\n

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Under Nathalie, the common ancestors were Eustache Jacquies and Marie Judith, but these must be the same ancestors. Gilles adds some more DNA on Chromosome 1. His matches on other segments were below the 7 cM threshold.<\/p>\n

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I changed the Fortin\/Tremblay mapped color to light blue as the previous color was too close to the pink LeFevre color. This match with Gilles maps some older DNA from the latter part of the 1700’s.<\/p>\n

Two Possibilities for Jason<\/h2>\n

I am leaning away from Theory 1:<\/p>\n

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My tree shows that Marie descends from John Rayner, not James Rayner. However, Jason and Agnes triangulate on Chromosome 4:<\/p>\n

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I had mapped Agnes to Rayner. I think I’ll skip Jason for now.<\/p>\n

Let’s Try Richard<\/h2>\n

Richard is on Marie’s MacArthur\/MacDougall Line.<\/p>\n

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Richard added DNA to Marie’s map in previously unmapped areas on Chromosome 1, 9 andd 17:<\/p>\n

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This finally gets Marie mapped overall up to 35%. If I mapped this right, Richard’s match to Marie on Chromosome 17 points out a crossover. The green and light blue are from Marie’s Upshall side and the dark blue is from Marie’s Ellis side. This shows about where Marie’s maternal DNA went from Upshall, then to Ellis and Back to Upshall.<\/p>\n

Marie’s X Chromosome<\/h2>\n

I don’t think that MyHeritage covers the X Chromosome. That is covered at Gedmatch and FTDNA. Here are Marie’s X Chromosome matches at Gedmatch:<\/p>\n

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Marie’s top two matches are her Aunts. They would be too closely related to map. The third match has a large X Chromosome match, but no autosomal match, so I would not be able to locate that match at Ancestry.<\/p>\n

Marie and Lise<\/h3>\n

The fourth match is with Lise at Ancestry. Perhaps I can find her. I found someone who looks like Lise at Ancestry, but she does not have a maternal line given.<\/p>\n

Marie and Muriel<\/h3>\n

After some dead ends, I came across Muriel. She is at Ancestry and Gedmatch and shows a common ancestor:<\/p>\n

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Here is where Gedmatch shows the X Chromosome (or 23) match:<\/p>\n

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This mapping was in a previously mapped area with Marie’s 2nd cousin. It does show that this is old DNA going back to the early 1700’s if Ancestry is right:<\/p>\n

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I also added Muriel’s matches on Chromosome 14:<\/p>\n

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Although I didn’t add much new information, I did show that I could add X Chromosome information.<\/p>\n

Marie’s New Chromosome Mapped Update<\/h2>\n

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Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n