{"id":14318,"date":"2020-04-07T21:43:40","date_gmt":"2020-04-07T21:43:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=14318"},"modified":"2020-04-07T21:43:40","modified_gmt":"2020-04-07T21:43:40","slug":"painting-the-dna-of-my-irish-relatives-emily-and-susan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2020\/04\/07\/painting-the-dna-of-my-irish-relatives-emily-and-susan\/","title":{"rendered":"Painting the DNA of My Irish Relatives Emily and Susan"},"content":{"rendered":"

In my previous Blog<\/a>, I finished painting in my second cousin once removed Paul and painted my more distant third cousin once removed Gladys. Gladys’ ancestry does not share my McMaster ancestry, but does share my Frazer ancestry. Emily shares the same McMaster ancestry that Paul and I have. Susan does also with the twist that she has extra McMaster ancestry as her mother is a McMaster. Here are Susan and Emily:<\/p>\n

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As Susan has tested at MyHeritage and not uploaded her results to Gedmatch, her results will be limited to those who tested at MyHeritage or uploaded their DNA results there.<\/p>\n

Painting Emily<\/h2>\n

I’ve already started painting Emily.<\/p>\n

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I only have two of her ancestral couples painted. I only have painted Paul and Gladys onto Emily’s profile. Emily’s Frazer matches are on her maternal side. Emily is 14% painted now, but I hope to get that number up.<\/p>\n

Painting Me and My Siblings Onto Emily<\/h3>\n

These should be the blue segments. The interesting places are where the blue and red segments overlap:<\/p>\n

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Here Emily’s match with Gladys overlaps with her match with my brother James but not with Paul. As Gladys does not have McMaster ancestry, my guess is that the place where she overlaps with James indicates that the DNA that James and Emily got there was from George Frazer and not Margaret McMaster. The fact that Gladys’ match above stops short of Paul’s match could mean that Paul’s match is McMaster.<\/p>\n

Doreen and Pat<\/h3>\n

Next on Emily’s Gedmatch list of DNA matches I see Gladys’ relatives, Doreen, Ken, Susan and Pat. Some information was added for Emily here:<\/p>\n

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However on the other chromosomes, their matches were the same as Gladys’.<\/p>\n

Jean, a McMaster Match<\/h3>\n

At least I think she is.<\/p>\n

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Here Jean is a 4th cousin to Emily. The common ancestors are technically McMaster and Frazer, but due to the children taking on the McMaster name, we tend to think of this as a McMaster match.<\/p>\n

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This gets us back to the 1700’s and tells Paul and Emily where that bit of DNA came from. For Paul, this DNA would have come down through Fanny McMaster to Margaret McMaster.<\/p>\n

Emily and Jane<\/h3>\n

Jane is Emily’s fourth cousin:<\/p>\n

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Jane is also a 5th cousin to Emily, but hopefully most of the DNA sharing is at the 4th cousin level.<\/p>\n

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In the key, I have put both possibilities in for Jane’s match. However, the most obvious is for Richard Frazer. In Chromosome 6, the DNA for Gladys, Jane, Ken, Susan and Doreen is probably from Richard (or his unknown wife).<\/p>\n

Emily and McMaster Relatives<\/h3>\n

Keith has McMaster ancestry:<\/p>\n

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Keith adds some new information for Emily on Chromosomes 12 and 14, but no overlap with any of Emily’s matches.<\/p>\n

Here is Stephen:<\/p>\n

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Here, if I have it right, Stephen shows that my siblings James and Lori,\u00a0 as well as Emily,have old McMaster DNA on Chromosome 13.<\/p>\n

Emily and the Philip Line<\/h3>\n

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These matches to Emily are on the green side.<\/p>\n

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On Chromosome 18, Richard appears to fill in a blank for Emily. On Chromosome 21, Emily’s match with Martha tells me that Paul’s match is on his James vs his Violet Frazer side.<\/p>\n

Emily and Marilee from the John Frazer Line<\/h3>\n

Marilee shows on this chart as a 5th cousin once removed to Emily:<\/p>\n

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I notice the birth date for Philip is earlier on this chart. These dates seem to make more sense based on the John Line in pink.<\/p>\n

Here is how Marilee shows up on Emily’s painted DNA palette:<\/p>\n

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Emily is helping to show that Paul’s DNA in this area is very old. It comes down from either Archibald Frazer or Mary Lilly to Philip Frazer to Paul and Emily.<\/p>\n

For some reason, I don’t get that same distinction in Paul’s view of his Chromosome 5:<\/p>\n

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Quality Check<\/h4>\n

As this doesn’t make sense, I need to check my information. So forget what I said about Paul. I need to correct his matches on Emily’s profile. I’ll delete Paul from Emily’s profile and then add the correct information back in for Emily’s matches with Paul. Here is what it should be:<\/p>\n

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Note that Paul has no match with Emily on Chromosome 5:<\/p>\n

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The takeaway from this corrected view is about James. James or Jim was the last of 6 siblings (including me) to be tested for DNA. Gladys is the other one who had already been painted to Emily. I checked her results and they seem right.<\/p>\n

Any More Matches for Emily?<\/h3>\n

I’m sure there are plenty. I have written three Blogs about Emily. This Blog from 2018 mentions some more matches<\/a>. Those matches are on the Archibald Frazer\/Stinson Line and also go back to Archibald Frazer of 1720 who married Mary Lilly.<\/p>\n

Here are a few examples from that Line:<\/p>\n

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Here is part of the Archibald\/Stinson Line:<\/p>\n

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Fishing for a New Match for Emily<\/h3>\n

I used a facility at Gedmatch that will find people that match two people. In this case, I used Emily and Keith who matches on the McMaster Line. One of the better matches was Rainah:<\/p>\n

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Rainah matches Emily by about 46.7 cM and Keith by about 17.3 cM. Rainah tested at FTDNA where I have also tested and I also have a small match to Rainah. Maybe I can figure out how we are all related.<\/p>\n

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She has a blue tree icon which means she has a tree, so that is good. Unfortunately, I can’t make sense enough of her tree to bring it back to where we might match:<\/p>\n

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This is why it is difficult to figure out new matches. Everything has to align perfectly.<\/p>\n

Painting Susan<\/h2>\n

The painting for Susan will be very basic as it will just include those kits that I administer at MyHeritage. Those are me and my siblings, my cousin Paul and Gladys. I’ll start with Paul as he should be her most important match. I expect Susan will only have two colors on her map. Paul and Susan don’t have DNA matches after Chromosome 15:<\/p>\n

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I’ll go with Gladys next. Actually, I don’t see Susan on Gladys’ DNA match list. Gladys and Susan are 3rd cousins. According to FTDNA, there is a 90% chance that these two should match by DNA. Unless I missed something, then Gladys and Susan are in the 10% range. That means that Susan’s DNA map will just be one colored for now.<\/p>\n

Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n

I was able to get some interesting results looking at the painted DNA for Emily. I had painted Paul, my second cousin once removed and Emily is at the same relative distance to me that Paul is. Emily’s matches fit in as expected and helped pull in the relevant matches from the other Frazer and McMaster Branches.<\/p>\n

I was hoping to make a basic DNA map for Susan also. Susan is at the same relative relationship with me as Paul and Emily with the twist that he mother is a McMaster, so she should have more McMaster DNA than Paul or Emily. If Susan decides to upload her DNA to Gedmatch, then I will be able to match her DNA with many other Frazer and McMaster descendants.<\/p>\n

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In my previous Blog, I finished painting in my second cousin once removed Paul and painted my more distant third cousin once removed Gladys. Gladys’ ancestry does not share my McMaster ancestry, but does share my Frazer ancestry. Emily shares the same McMaster ancestry that Paul and I have. Susan does also with the twist … <\/p>\n

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