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<\/a><\/p>\nBased on only this one match, I didn’t follow up further. My guess at the time was that, “It may be a match from way back or from some other non-Frazer line also”.<\/p>\n
Up To 2020<\/h2>\n
I recently heard from Deborah again, so I appreciate her keeping in touch. Here is part of Deborah’s recent email:<\/p>\n
I have had some links to research via the ancestry thrulines which overlaps again with some of your research . I am not sure how accurate this all is but hope it is of some interest , kind regards Deborah<\/em><\/p>\n Deborah Frazer DNA Thru lines from Ancestry.co.uk<\/em><\/p>\n William Frazer 2nd<\/sup> Great Grandfather 1812-1887 4 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Archibald Frazer 3rd<\/sup> Great Grandfather 1760 3 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Anne Stenson 3rd<\/sup> Great Grandmother 1759-1848 4 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Archibald Frazer 4th<\/sup> Great Grandfather 1732-1800 4 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Private ( Query Mary Lilly 1726-1775) 4th<\/sup> Great Grandmother 4 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Samuel Stinson 4th<\/sup> Great Grandfather 1750 – 3DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Archibald Frazer 5th<\/sup> Great Grandfather 1690-1749 3 DNA Matches<\/em><\/p>\n Mary McDowell 5th<\/sup> Great Grandmother 1695-1786 2 DNA Matches<\/em><\/p>\n Thomas Lilly 5th<\/sup> Great Grandfather 1695 – 3 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n Mary Browne 5th<\/sup> Great Grandmother 1683-1731 3 DNA matches<\/em><\/p>\n I checked Deborah at Gedmatch, but couldn’t find her there anymore – perhaps due to the new Gedmatch owner and the policy requiring member approval to stay in the system.<\/p>\n Here is Deborah’s tree starting with her grandfather David Frazer:<\/p>\n Previously, Deborah had researched up to William Frazer and Letitia Singleton. However, above, Deborah now makes the connection to Archibald Frazer and Anne Stenson. This could be the same that I have in my Frazer DNA group. I sent Deborah a copy of a chart of the Frazer\/Stinson Line:<\/p>\n Unfortunately, I’m not an expert on this line as I descend from a different Frazer Line. However, due to intermarriage and common older ancestors, I am related to people on this line. The above chart represents people who descend from Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson and had DNA matches. The tree above does not show William Frazer as a son of Archibald Frazer and Ann Stinson. That does not mean that he was not their son, necessarily. The one person who Deborah matched by DNA was Susan in the yellow group on the right. My feeling was that if Deborah was truly in this line she should have matched more than one person from the Frazer\/Stinson Line.<\/p>\n There are a few ways I could do this. One is to build out my own tree for Deborah on her Frazer side. The other would be to look at other Frazer trees. I’ll build out my own tree to see if I get the same results.<\/p>\n Deborah has this 1901 Census referenced on her tree:<\/p>\n This has David Frazer as a printer, married with three children. One interesting thing is that David was from the Church of Ireland. My Roscommon Frazer ancestors also belonged to the Church of Ireland.<\/p>\n Building my own tree for Deborah was taking too long, so I decided to try other sources. I did a search for trees with Ann Stinson and Archibald Frazer. The first tree that comes up references my own web site:<\/p>\n My web site has a William born about 1804. The tree I looked up links this William to the 1834 Tithe Applotment in Derrycastle in the Parish of Ardcarn in Roscommon:<\/p>\n This William was \u00a0associated with an Anne (perhaps Anne Stinson Frazer – his mother?).<\/p>\n Deborah kindly gave me access to her DNA results so I could see her ThruLines. ThruLines is a utility that Ancestry has to connect DNA matches with common ancestors in family trees.<\/p>\n For some reason, Deborah’s ThruLines focus on William Frazer:<\/p>\n Because of that, the ThruLines incorrectly show Deborah’s matches as half cousins where I believe they should be full cousins. All these DNA matches tend to confirm that Deborah is on the right track up to William Frazer and Letitia Singleton.<\/p>\n This is the part I am more interested in:<\/p>\n Deborah has three DNA matches to Archibald and four DNA matches to Anne. However, there are no new DNA matches at this level, so there is no new information here:<\/p>\n The same is true for the next level up. If Deborah was from the Frazer\/Stinson Line, I would have expected other DNA matches to other descendants of the other children of Archibald Frazer and Anne Stinson such as I have on my Chart above.<\/p>\n At this point, I would go with my original thinking that William Frazer born 1812 was not the son of Archibald Frazer and Anne Stinson. If he was, I would have expected more matches with other lines from other children of Archibald Frazer and Anne Stinson. Also, I have no evidence that Archibald Frazer and Anne Frazer moved to Armagh and had a son there. It is possible, but also possible that did not happen. Here is how I picture the shared DNA matching:<\/p>\n There is a circle of shared matches with the Roscommon Frazer Group and a separate circle of shared DNA matches with the Armagh Frazer group. Linda matches Deborah and thus the two cirlcels with a borderline low match. This may be a false match or a match indicating an ancient Frazer or non-Frazer match.<\/p>\n There is one way to show for sure if the two Frazer families are related. L.F. could take a YDNA test.<\/p>\nDeborah’s Frazer Tree<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nTaking a Look at William Frazer of Armagh (1812-1887)<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\nChecking Other Sources for William Frazer<\/h3>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nDeborah’s ThruLines<\/h2>\n
ThruLines to William Frazer and Letitia Singleton<\/h3>\n
<\/a><\/p>\nDeborah’s ThruLines to Archibald Frazer and Anne Stenson<\/h3>\n
<\/a><\/p>\n<\/a><\/p>\nAny Conclusions?<\/h2>\n
<\/a><\/p>\nA Sure Way To Test Frazer’s By YDNA<\/h2>\n