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Back before I got my Big Y results, I wrote an article called My Hartley YDNA<\/a>. This covered issues relating to Hartley SNPs and STRs. As many know, the Big Y is the ultimate Family Tree DNA product for testing the YDNA that is passed down from father to son since the beginning of such passing down of YDNA. While other YDNA tests identify existing STR and SNP markers, it is the purpose of the Big Y to look at one’s DNA and discover new SNPs.<\/p>\n

Hartley Big Y Testees<\/h4>\n

As far as I know there are a total of 3 Hartley Big Y testees – including me. I am correctly but awkwardly saying testees as the testers are those in the lab testing the DNA. I may slip back to the more comfortable ‘tester’ at some point.<\/p>\n

William on the I Line<\/h5>\n

The first Hartley to have the Big Y is William who is the Hartley DNA administrator. He is in the I Haplogroup. In the old nomenclature, he would be along the line of I1a2a1a2<\/span>. I1 and I2 are the main I branches and are extremely distantly related to other known Hartleys – at least by YDNA. Other Hartleys so far tested have been R1b.\u00a0 I agree with what William says about his connection to other Hartleys:<\/p>\n

My last common<\/span><\/span><\/em> [I1]<\/span><\/span> ancestor was about 1,800 years ago and also likely an Angle [Anglo-Swedish Angle]. So that commonality may be why we both later adopted the Hartley surname and both our ancestries are found around Yorkshire and Lancashire.<\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

I added the I1 in brackets for clarification.<\/p>\n

The second Hartley Testee: James Hartley ancestor – R1b-S1051<\/h5>\n

The second Hartley testee was more closely related than the I1 Haplogroup. We are both in the R1b group.\u00a0 Further, we are both in the L21 group. This group has sometimes been associated with the Celts. L21 is also associated with the older peoples that lived in the British Isles prior to the arrival of Vikings, Anglo Saxons and Normans. However, our common ancestor was likely 1,000’s of years ago.\u00a0 The second Hartley testee is in a tiny branch called S1051 which I have pointed out with a red arrow. I am in the gold regions of L513 a few steps up from S1051<\/p>\n

\"L21<\/a><\/p>\n

This chart is from July 2015. I believe that it is no longer updated as it has gotten so crowded due to Big Y testing. There are 151 people in the R-S1051 Project. According to the R-S1051 Project web page:<\/p>\n

Recently\u00a0many new SNP’s\u00a0have been discovered for this unique haplogroup which is located below DF13.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

The\u00a0majority of this family group\u00a0have 5 main Patriarch SNP’s\u00a0(S1051, FGC9655, FGC9661, FGC9658 and FGC9657). The current age estimate for these Patriarch SNP’s is approximately 3,200 to 4,500 years old\u00a0and likely originated within\u00a0what is known as the Bell Beaker culture.\u00a0When\u00a0examining other haplogroups of\u00a0a similar age the S1051 people are very few by comparison.<\/em><\/p>\n

Evidence suggests that the geographic origin of this family group could have been from what is now modern Scotland.<\/em><\/p>\n

Our fellow Hartley Big Y testee #2 is on the FGC9655 Line. Here is my attempt to spray paint out the IDs below on the Alex Williamson Big Tree:<\/p>\n

\"Alex<\/a><\/p>\n

It looks like our Hartley has the most Big Y company in the R-S1051 Group. The belief is also that the Hartleys came from the North of England originally. This theory that this S1051 group was from Scotland originally would tend to support the Northern UK origins of the Hartleys. Brewer in the reddish color has not been analyzed yet, so things are still developing in the FGC9655 SNP Group.<\/p>\n

That is a good segue into my results. I called this blog Part One because, like Mr. Brewer, my results have not been analyzed yet either. Due to all the Big Y testing recently, there has been a bit of a backlog in analyzing the results.<\/p>\n

The Third Testee (Me) – R-L513<\/h4>\n

I already knew where I was on the L513 Chart. Now, due to the fact that I have taken the Big Y test, I am listed on the top part of the tree. This is like being elevated to YDNA Heaven.<\/p>\n

\"L513<\/a><\/p>\n

Here is a closer up shot:<\/p>\n

\"L513<\/a><\/p>\n

I am hoping that other Hartleys will test and find to be positive for Z17911. Like Hartley Big Y Tester #2, I am in the Big Tree. Unlike Tester #2, my data has not been analyzed by Alex Williamson, so I am still shown in a reddish color. This time I’ll erase the kit numbers for privacy:<\/p>\n

\"Hartley<\/a><\/p>\n

Way at the top, there is Smith. He is positive for a SNP named Z16357. All the other names share the Z16357 SNP with Smith. Smith does not share Z16343 and the block of other SNPs listed below with Hay(e)s, Pillsbury, Merrick, Thomas and Hartley. The tree portion above shows that Hay(e)s is down from the Pillsbury Line. Merrick, Thomas and Hartley have only 2 named SNPs: Z17911 and Z17912. A few other observations:<\/p>\n