{"id":10800,"date":"2019-04-15T14:59:23","date_gmt":"2019-04-15T14:59:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/?p=10800"},"modified":"2023-03-08T13:37:56","modified_gmt":"2023-03-08T13:37:56","slug":"susan-is-back-on-my-michael-frazer-thrulines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.jmhartley.com\/HBlog\/2019\/04\/15\/susan-is-back-on-my-michael-frazer-thrulines\/","title":{"rendered":"Susan is Back on My Michael Frazer ThruLines"},"content":{"rendered":"

At my first look at ThruLines I had an interesting match with Susan. Unfortunately, her ThruLines went away. I predicted that she might come back and she did. Here she is again:<\/p>\n

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After Susan disappeared I tried tracing her ancestry back anyway, but got stuck at her Patterson great-grandmother level.<\/p>\n

Building Susan’s Tree: Part 2<\/h2>\n

Here is where I got stuck last time:<\/p>\n

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Between James Hazzard and Mary Jane Patterson, we go from Susan’s tree to Barry’s tree on ThruLines. Here is a nice record I would like to borrow from Barry’s tree:<\/p>\n

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Here are James’ parents:<\/p>\n

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I have James’ mother as Mary Jane. Here she shows as Mary. In Barry’s tree she is Mary Jane. This critical marriage record ties together Barry’s and Susan’s trees.<\/p>\n

According to Barry’s tree, Jane was quite young when she married. At least by today’s standards:<\/p>\n

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Here I owe a lot to Barry:<\/p>\n

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Jane dies young at thirty one years eight months. That would put her birth in 1854.<\/p>\n

Making the Jump from Patterson to Frazer<\/h3>\n

From Mary Jane, I need to figure out how to get back to Frazer. Here, Barry shows that way again:<\/p>\n

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This is Catherine’s second marriage. Here she is linked to Arthur, Ontario. She is also linked to Ireland and Archibald Fraser and Catharine Nott. She went from marrying a ‘Pattison’ to a Patton. Without Barry’s tree, I think I would have struggled with this genealogy.<\/p>\n

Here is the Township of Arthur:<\/p>\n

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Here is Catherine in 1861 not too long after her second marriage to Andrew Patton:<\/p>\n

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I’m glad to see Jane listed here also. This family of four lived\u00a0 in a log house. Here is a map of where these families lived in 1861 in Southeast Arthur:<\/p>\n

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A Sneak Preview of Where We May Be Headed with Archibald Frazer and Catherine Knott<\/h3>\n

Here is my combined DNA\/genealogy chart:<\/p>\n

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It looks like Susan should end up under the orange circle. I am in the left branch. That is in green because I’m mostly sure that is right. The same is true for the McPartland Branch which is also under Archibald Frazer and Catherine Knott. If I match Susan and she is in this group, that adds to the likelihood that I have it right.<\/p>\n

Here is Catherine’s death record:<\/p>\n

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Here she is listed as being born in\u00a0 County Sligo. Many Frazers were from North Roscommon, but some were over the border in County Sligo. Here is a birth record from Kilmactranny Parish in County Sligo for an Ann Jane:<\/p>\n

Anne Jane Frazer\u00a0 daughter of\u00a0 Archibald and Catherine Frazer<\/em>
\nBorn\u00a0 Dec 13, 1828\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/em>
\nBapt.\u00a0 Dec 17, 1828<\/em><\/p>\n

If Susan’s Catherine was born between 1830 and 1842, it would not show as there is a gap in the Kilmactranny Registers for that period. The other issue is that I have that Archibald and Catherine were married in 1829 at Kilmactranny:<\/p>\n

Mar 02, 1829\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Archibald Frazer of Ardcarne<\/em><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Catherine Knott of Kilmactranny<\/em><\/p>\n

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That means that the Ann Jane above could have been the daughter of a different Archibald and Catherine Frazer.<\/p>\n

Here is the Patton family in 1871 with a few extra children:<\/p>\n

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Putting It Together – Margaret and Catherine Frazer<\/h2>\n

If I have it right, the genealogy probably looks like this:<\/p>\n

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This shows that I descend from Margaret Frazer who was the sister of Susan’s 2nd great-grandfather Archibald Frazer.<\/p>\n

My James Line Discrepancy<\/h2>\n

Unfortunately, my chart above doesn’t match what I have on Ancestry Tree.<\/p>\n

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I show Archibald and Catherine coming from Archibald Frazer and Catherine Peyton. I do show a Mary born much later married to Richard Hazzard. So the Hazzard names comes up more than once.<\/p>\n

In addition to this, I have two different versions of the James Line on my Frazer web pages. In one, I followed one Frazer researcher and in the other I followed another Frazer researcher. My combined DNA\/genealogy chart is more in line with my Frazer Web Page called Production Update:<\/p>\n

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The difference here is that I am missing Margaret which is the line I descend from. It appears that Margaret should be the eldest daughter of Michael Frazer born in 1794 and married to William McMaster. Above, there is another tie-in as I see that the above genealogy from my Frazer web page has Archibald dying in Arthur Township in 1866. That was where Catherine Frazer lived. Here is an entry at the Find A Grave Website:<\/p>\n

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Here is Kenilworth:<\/p>\n

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Here is a better version for my Ancestry Tree:<\/p>\n

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Here I still have a problem, as I have Catherine Peyton Frazer born in 1829 to Archibald Frazer and Catherine Knott. I believe that the Catherine of this Blog was just plain Catherine and likely born to a different Archibald and Catherine Frazer. I’ll say that Susan’s Catherine was born in 1834.<\/p>\n

Here is the family in the 1851 Census:<\/p>\n

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Here are the ages:<\/p>\n

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This family lived in a log house. Jane was born in Ireland in 1845 according to this Census, so the family moved to Canada between 1845 and 1852. Here is A. Frazer’s farm in 1861:<\/p>\n

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Kenilworth is near the middle of the Arthur map:<\/p>\n

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The upper circle is for Frazer. The lower circle is where Catherine Frazer Patton lived in 1861.<\/p>\n

A Short Story of Archibald Frazer and Catherine Knott<\/h3>\n

It helps me to put some of these events into a narrative. Archibald Frazer was born about 1801 probably in Ardcarn Parish North Roscommon. His parents were Michael Frazer and Margaret probably Stewart. In 1829 he married Catherine Knott from Kilmactranny Parish in Sligo at the Kilmactranny Church. Witnesses at the wedding were another Archibald Frazer and Catherine Frazer. Their first daughter Catherine may have been born as early as December 1829:<\/p>\n

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The records appear to show two different Catherine’s baptized in October and December of 1829. Archibald and Catherine were married 2 March 1829, so if this is Susan’s Catherine she would have had a little over 9 months to be born.<\/p>\n

The couple had at least seven children. They were born between about 1829 and 1846:<\/p>\n

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  1. Catherine<\/li>\n
  2. William Wynn<\/li>\n
  3. Margaret Stewart<\/li>\n
  4. James<\/li>\n
  5. Fitzgerald<\/li>\n
  6. Michael<\/li>\n
  7. James<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    Probably around 1844, Archibald’s older sister (my ancestor) Margaret Frazer McMaster moves to Ontario with her three daughters and a son. Between 1846 and 1852, the Archibald Frazer family moves to Canada and settle on a farm in Kenilworth, Arthur, Wellington County, Ontario. In 1852,. By 1852, the oldest daughter, Catherine had been already married twice – first to Thomas Patterson or Pattison and then to Andrew Patton. Catherine has two daughters with Thomas and more children with Andrew. Catherine Patton lives on a farm also in Arthur in 1852.<\/p>\n

    The Census for 1861 is a little difficult to read:<\/p>\n

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    Here it looks like the eldest son, William Wynn Fraser, has married – probably Rachel Reid. Likely widowed, she is 36 and a 13 year old Reid is living with them. They then have two of their own children. Either Archibald married another Catherine or she has not aged at all in 9 years.<\/p>\n

    1871<\/h4>\n

    Here is Catherine in 1871. She is now widowed and living with her two single sons:<\/p>\n

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    Another Correction: Jane Frazer<\/h4>\n

    In my tree above that I moved, I had Jane Frazer married to a Hazzard. That is apparently not right:<\/p>\n

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    Perhaps she married again later?<\/p>\n

    Summary and Conclusions<\/h2>\n