I would like to look at my father’s cousin Joyce’s Bradford Thrulines. Our most recent Bradford ancestor was Hannah T Snell:
Hannah was born in Wareham in 1838 and married Isaiah Snell. This family lived in Rochester, MA where I grew up. The DNA that Joyce shares with these people is half Snell and half Bradford.
Harvey Bradford ThruLines
Harvey was born about 1808 in Plymouth, MA:
Harvey only had two children. Patricia is my second cousin on another line. These relationships are fairly close, so no evealuation is needed.
Samuel Bradford 1755
By the third set of Bradford ThruLines, we are already back to 1755. Harvey was the youngest son of Samuel. Samuel is important as the link between him and Harvey is weak. There is no known birth record for Harvey. Harvey is linked to Samuel through land records.
Robert and Joyce have a 9 cM match. In the expanded view, Ancestry is suggesting I evaluate Robert’s mother and grandfather:
The link between Barbara and her son would be a little difficult to prove. I assume he knew who his mother was. He and his brother are mentioned in an obituary. Barbara is listed as 11 months old in the 1920 Worcester, MA Census:
That is a little at odds with her posted birth of 1917. Here is her birth record:
This also shows that her father was born in Boston:
Someone helped me out by saving this record:
This shows Oscar’s father as Alexander O Bradford. Here is the family on Washington Street, Boston in 1900:
I like how someone did a great job researching this family:
Here is Alexander the father in 1870 in Cambridge:
Too bad all my research isn’t this easy:
Now we have a middle initial and are getting back to Stephen Bradford and Hannah as parents to Alexander.
Here is Alexander W in 1850 in Duxbury:
Stephen Bradford was a cooper. I believe that Stephen’s father Samuel took over his father-in-law Stephen Churchill’s cooper business. So then he likely passed it down to his son Stephen. Here is a record I transcribed:
So easy with all the research others have done. As I mentioned above, Stephen is very important as being the brother of my ancestor Harvey Bradford. Here is some information I already had for Stephen on my own tree:
That confirms the ThruLInes between Joyce and Robert. The genealogy holds together. The DNA adds evidence that nothing got messed up along the way.
I should note that my cousin has a competing ThruLine that traces the lineage up through Harvey Stetson Bradford. I will probably look at that at some time.
Heading Up a Level to Josiah Bradford Born 1724
This is interesting:
Joyce shows 2 DNA matches through William Bradford and 10 DNA matches through an additional Samuel Bradford. That sounds confusing. That implies to me that 10 people got their genealogy wrong or that Joyce matches 10 people that descend from a different Samuel and Ancestry connected the trees in the wrong way (or perhaps a combination of the two).
Starting with William Bradford Born 1749
This looks like the easy part:
This shows that Liz is and Michael are 2nd cousins to each other and that they both match Joyce. Liz and Michael share a common ancestor of Josiah Bradford with Joyce. Ancestry would like me to evaluate these two lines. I’ll start with Liz and create my own tree for her:
Above is the family in Colleton, South Carolina. I’ve got to get them back to Bradford in Massachusetts. Richard’s mom above is supposed to be a Bradford. Here they are in 1880:
According to this Census, both of Amanda’s parents were born in South Carolina. That’s OK, it is still a while to get back to 1724. Here Richard is transcribed as Harven. I suppose for his middle initial.
Amanda’s death certificate is important as it gets us back to Bradford and Plymouth, MA:
That means that the 1880 Census was probably not correct.
Here is the 1850 Census – still in Colleton, S.C.:
So apparently Jesse was the one making the jump from Massachusetts to South Carolina. I wonder where that put the children during the Civil War?
Here is a flowery obituary for Jesse:
Jesse Bradford Born 1790 and Maria
The tree that Liz created has Maria as a Thornton. An Ancestry suggestion has her as Lovell:
I think that I would tend to go with this record, but it doesn’t really matter as I’m trying to find out more about Jesse.
Here is where I have Jesse on my Ancestry Tree:
This is the information for William Bradford born 1749 in Plymouth. William was the brother of Samuel Bradford, my ancestor. The bad news is that there is not a lot of information out there about Jesse. The good news is that the DNA matches give supporting evidence for the trees that we do have.
Michael’s tree is not as extensive as Liz’s tree:
The 1910 Census joins Frampton with the Liz’s Wichman family above:
Now, the Other Samuel Descendants on the ThruLines
It turns out that the other descendants, I already know about. They descend either from my great-grandmother Annie Snell Hartley or one generation back. The Mayflower Families, which is one of the best resources for Bradford genealogy, has no birth date for Samuel Bradford. So differences in his birth date would be expected. In either case, he is still the son of Josiah Bradford and Hannah Rider.
ThruLines to William Bradford Born 1686
Now this is going out a ways. But let’s try it:
This shows as two matches for Joyce, but really amounts to one. CH is related more closely through Hannah Bradford. It is just spelled differently in his tree. I’ll try PK’s tree. PK’s tree goes up to Mary Bradford:
I’m not sure if the DNA test goes with the daughter or granddaughter of Prescott. From the ThruLines, it looks like the daughter. This Thru-Line would also support that my line goes up through Harvey to Samuel to Josiah to William Bradford. The ThruLines shows PK as a half 6th cousin. Ancestry doesn’t always get the half relations right, so I’ll check that out also.
I get a bit stuck before 1860 with my own tree:
Here is Charles and his mother in Boston. The father is presumed dead by this time. One tree had this reference:
That same tree has reference to an Averill Family Genealogy Book:
Here is more from the same book:
Here is some more on Daniel Averill from that book:
The section on Daniel mentions no Mary Gardner and no Charles Averill born in Boston. In fact all these children of Daniel are born in New Hampshire. PK’s tree has Charles born in 1845 to a Daniel who was born 1762. That would make Daniel quite old at Charles’ birth. 83? I’ll pull the plug on this ThruLine. There may be a connection, but I don’t see it right now. Another way to look at it is from the top down. William Bradford born 1686 had a son William born 1726, but he died the same year according to the Mayflower Families Through Five Generations.
My Father’s Cousin’s Harvey Stetson Bradford ThruLines
I had mentioned above that my second cousin shows different ThruLines for the same ancestors. I would like to look at this. There are only two Harvey Bradford’s that could be our ancestors. I have one and she has the other. I think mine is right, so I would like to disprove hers.
Here Holly has her line going up through her father Maury to Harvey to Charles Bradford. In the ThruLines I looked at earlier in the Blog, I had this:
That means that they can’t both be right.
My guess in the match between Maury and David is that David’s tree may be right but Holly’s may be wrong. Here is David’s tree in more detail:
For some reason, both trees go through Harvey S Bradford. David’s actual tree stops at Anna Maria Bradford:
Ancestry put the rest together.
A Tale of Two Harvey Bradford’s
Findagrave.com has this information for Harvey Stetson Bradford:
Here is some more on Harvey Stetson Bradford:
Another cousin took this photo:
This is from the Sherman Cemetery in Rochester, MA:
It appears that both these Harvey Bradford’s were born in 1809. Hence the confusion. However, one was buried in Illinois and the other in Rochester, MA.
So I have proven that Harvey Stetson Bradford was not my ancestor. I still don’t know if David above descends from either Harvey. However, as my ancestor only had two children (Henry Clay and Hannah Thomas), I would say that David did not descend from my ancestor Harvey Bradford:
Summary and Conclusions
- The most important ThruLine I looked at was between Joyce and Robert. They show a DNA match and a common ancestor with Samuel Bradford (born about 1755) who was the father of Stephen on Robert’s side and Harvey on Joyce’s side.
- It was easy to show the connection from Robert up to Stephen and Samuel based on research that had already been done.
- I tried to connect Joyce to PK who showed a potential common ancestor in William Bradford born 1686. However, I found too many problems with PK’s tree to make that connection.
- Finally I looked at Thrulines connecting another of my father’s cousins Maury to David. This showed ancestry to Harvey Stetson Bradford. But I showed that that Harvey Stetson Bradford was not my anctestor. There were two Harvey’s born in 1809. Harvey Stetson Bradford was born in Maine and died in Illinois. My ancestor Harvey (not Stetson) Bradford was Born in Wareham, MA and buried in Rochester, MA.